Vineet Nayar on 'Unemployable' Americans: Even Smart People Say Dumb Things

Ann All

By most accounts, Vineet Nayar sounds like a very smart man.


In a recent interview with BusinessWeek, for example, the CEO of HCL Technologies speaks of the importance of helping the outsourcing company's North American clients transform their businesses, not just cut costs. Peter Allen, managing director for Global Practices for consultancy TPI, told me the same thing earlier this year, saying, "In our mind the runway for labor arbitrage benefits is just about gone." Allen also noted that outsourcing companies must shift their solutions toward "productivity and outcome-based measures of value, not effort-based or income-oriented measures" in order to remain successful.


Yet even very smart people say some stupid things. If published reports of a speech Nayar gave at a gathering of business partners in New York City are accurate, then it's certainly true in this case.


According to DailyTech, Nayar called American technology graduates inferior to grads from countries like India and China, because they are not as disciplined as their counterparts in these countries. Americans are more interested in developing "the next big thing" and getting rich than in focusing on "boring" (but important) technology and business methodologies like ITIL and Six Sigma, Nayar reportedly said. The U.S. educational system is doing a poor job in preparing tech grads for the real world, said Nayar, who apparently called American grads "unemployable."


Wow. It's easy to get upset at remarks like that. Let's remember a couple things. AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson said, in essence, much the same thing last year, when he remarked that AT&T was having trouble finding enough qualified U.S. workers to fill jobs at call centers. He faulted low high school graduation rates in some parts of the U.S., among other factors. Unfortunately, Nayar will almost certainly get more negative ink than Stephenson because he hails from India, a country that many Americans believe is somehow "stealing" U.S. jobs.


Nayar and Stephenson have plenty of company in folks who'd like to see U.S. technology curriculums become interesting enough to attract more students and relevant enough to better prepare graduates for real-world IT jobs. (Bill Gates is one of them.)


Ugly stereotypes can go both ways. Last September, I cited an InfoWorld article in which a couple of Forrester Research analysts, among others, questioned Indian workers' ability to assist with product development and other tasks requiring more innovative thinking. As with Nayar's remarks, there may be at least a kernel of truth here. I shared remarks from Sridhar Vembu, a naitve of India and CEO of the former AdventNet (renamed Zoho earlier this month after its flagship line of software), who told me that Indian graduates sometimes lacked creative thinking skills because of an emphasis on rote learning at India's universities.


So it seems the perfect IT worker would possess American creativity and Indian discipline. Maybe, but this implies you can't have one without the other. There is a burgeoning group of entrepreneurs in India. (Though many of them, like Vembu and others such as Muktesh Meka, come to the U.S. to attend college and often start business ventures here.) And there are plenty of American Six Sigma black belts.


In the Global CIO Blog, InformationWeek editor-in-chief Rob Preston notes that Nayar said American universities have been reluctant to enter into partnerships with Indian outsourcing companies such as HCL, even though such partnerships could better prepare U.S. students to work in global economies. Writes Preston:

Beyond the need to bolster competencies in math, the hard sciences and basic problem solving, U.S. schools at all levels must place a greater emphasis on global history, foreign languages, and other subjects that prepare students for jobs and life outside this country. How many grads of U.S. colleges are ready or even willing to work abroad? Vineet asked rhetorically. "We need to define the American dream to be more global in nature," he said.

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Jun 23, 2009 9:13 AM Ann All Ann All  says:

I guess readers are interpreting my use of 'stupid' in the headline as an attack on Nayar. I'm sorry if it comes across that way, as it wasn't intended. Perhaps a better way of saying it would have been: "Even smart people sometimes show a lack of good judgment." I tried to make the point in my post that many people, including AT&T's CEO and Bill Gates, have made similar points about educational systems which aren't adequately preparing folks with skills geared toward a global economy. But I think Nayar could have made the same point in a more low-key way, as he does in his blog post. (I find it a little odd that he makes no reference to the NYC event, since it seems as if the post may have been written in response to the fallout.)

Jun 23, 2009 9:23 AM pallavi pallavi  says:

The education investments we make in youths of today across the world including India is not in step with business needs and thus creating the challenge of employability. The real debate is how to fix this challenge rather than getting into country specific coments.

I googled and reached Vineet Nayar's blogpost on this subject http://vineet.hclblogs.com/ .

Jun 23, 2009 9:44 AM Susan Hall Susan Hall  says: in response to pallavi

I also just wrote about a gap between what universities teach about supply chain management and what the industry wants.


Jun 23, 2009 4:51 PM Meena Meena  says:

I just read the Informaiton Week article and it seems to me that the quote is taken out of context. I also googled for Vineet Nayar's comments on this subject and found this on his blog http://vineet.hclblogs.com/. What he is referring to is that employability the world over is an issue and to bridge the skill gaps, different elements- govt., educational institutions, industry etc. have to come together. I think that's a valid statement to make.

Why would one not want to face this challenge head on? Resolving this issue can only make the industry and the geography in question more competitive.

Jun 23, 2009 5:39 PM hiranya hiranya  says: in response to Meena

I agree... as a former journalist it is only fair to keep the bigger picture in mind. it is unfortunate that controversies are being created like this.

His blog does take the big picture in the right perspective

Jun 23, 2009 6:02 PM Rocks Rocks  says: in response to hiranya

Just got a feed of Vineet blog and writing this post just after reading his entire thinking and vision. I think the word 'Unemployable' is being picked randomly without knowing the context.  I suggest one should go to his blog first, vineet.hclblogs.com, before any conclusion. I can clearly see he is trying to showcase the gaps in skills and the ways to bridge that.

Jun 23, 2009 6:23 PM Soumitra Sen Soumitra Sen  says: in response to Rocks

I believe his views were misunderstood and blown out of proportion in creating a SENSATIONAL headline. Vineeet is a global leader and his views indicated the larger picture of global talent hiring, training and deployment. Request readers to review: http://vineet.hclblogs.com/

Jun 23, 2009 6:45 PM Preetham Preetham  says: in response to Rocks

I advice good reading of the subject regarding Vineet s comments, this would reveal  that  word 'unemployable' quoted by Vineet  has been taken in a different context totally.  He re-stated concerns expressed by other CEOs, including SAS Institute's Jim Goodnight and Cisco's John Chambers, about the failure of the U.S. education system to prepare the country's next-generation tech workforce (a subject Goodnight and others will dive into at the InformationWeek 500 Conference, Sept. 13 to 15). Point here is that we should openly accept that education investments we make in youth of today across the world is not in step with business needs and thus creating the challenge of employability or the expense of extensive re-training that could have been avoided.

I think this debate should be taken in positive sense to fix the bigger picture rather than taking it personally.

Jun 24, 2009 8:11 AM Kurt Kurt  says: in response to Quentin

As a matter of fact, India is not stealing anything.  People are willing to do the same work for a lower salary.  Its called a free market and our country (the USA) was founded on that.  If we want the jobs, than we have to be better, faster, or cheaper.  Competition drives growth and innovation.  Americans are historically good at both so we should stop fighting outsourcing and start earning our keep in the IT industry.

Jun 24, 2009 9:04 AM Joshua Joshua  says:

As a recent US graduate, who has been working at the same company since a third year internship, I find the most stupid part of his remarks was suggesting that six sigma is somehow more important than developing the next big thing.  Although I do a lot of boring work, my desire (and others) to IMPROVE OUR PRODUCT, has driven most of the genuine improvements to our code.

On the other hand, the countless resources we have wasted on six sigma, and SAS70 compliance have probably made our stuff worse, as our management makes token gestures to fit the official definition of "best practices".

Jun 24, 2009 6:29 PM Quentin Quentin  says:

"a country that many Americans believe is somehow "stealing" U.S. jobs."

That is an extremely insulting sentence and displays a condescending attitude toward Americans. The fact is many experienced American IT personnel have been laid off, only to be replaced with cheaper outsourced Indian IT personnel. Many of the people are still looking for jobs at the same time the big American companies clamour for an expanded H1B visa program, so they can continue to hire foreign nationals at lower salaries than American citizens.

So, yes, as a matter of fact India IS stealing American IT jobs. No quotes needed.

Jun 25, 2009 10:33 AM Da_Cheeze Da_Cheeze  says: in response to Kurt

I do not agree with Kurt... people are stealing... but it is not the Indian or Chinese (or whatever low-cost exploited working flavor of the year is this time around) workers who are doing it.  The burden of employment rests with the employer... and employers have done anything to outsource cheaply.  Indians and Chinese are not stealing jobs... they are TAKING them to survive in their highly competitive job environments.


The tragedy is that these people are not being paid the same wage as American displaced workers.  These people are being EXPLOITED because they they have no choice.  Who is exploiting them? American businesses and the Indian-based (or wherever) consulting company body shops in their employ.  These people are getting rich off the sweat of workers everywhere.  It happened in the textile industry back in the 30s, it's happened in the agricultural business for decades, and now it's happening in the IT industry.  When do we start standing on street corners for day work, like Mexican workers now do ?

"We need to define the American dream to be more global in nature"

What?  Are we now to become MIGRANT workers... travelling from country to country for the benefit of the corporation ?  Must we change our educational system to benefit these entities?  Are college degrees now to be aligned with corporate product cycles to create more "hirable applicants" or are they just creating a more malleable workforce...?

Wake up... these people are screwing us all.  Follow the money.. and look whose pocket it ends up in.

Jun 29, 2009 8:01 AM T West T West  says:

Outsourcing is a very serious problem in the USA.  It has been driven by large Wall Street corporations and trickled down to some of the smaller entities over the years.  The indication that it is good for America and good for the global economy is not true.  Certainly isn't good for most of America but is good for large Wall Street corporations because it usually provides them with much larger profits.  Of course it exploits global labor markets for cheaper and cheaper labor.  Outsourcing is good for those nations that reap the benefits of what remains of American wealth, R&D, and innovation.

Wall Street connivers had laws changed to make hundreds of billions of dollars from workers (labor) made available to them.  For example, mandatory 401Ks, leaving the workers with less money with which some of them could make better investments on their own outside of Wall Street.  They even attempted to have Social Security privatized so that they could get at those trillions of dollars.

In the USA there is another factor that has been involved in this Go Global push, i.e., outsourcing since the 1980s.  At the center is "race".  America is "Browning" and most of the Investor Class has not been and still isn't among these groups that makeup the "Browning of America".  The Investor Class has invested less and less dollars into all levels of education in the USA while pushing more and more investment dollars outside the USA.  Am I indicating that there is "racism" involved?  Yes, I am.  Not only has Labor's dollars been pushed into India and China but also various areas throughout Europe. 

The decades of talk about America become a Service Economy was silly but this is exactly what was being taught in schools and universities in the USA.  Nations that lead are those that MAKE THINGS.  It's all about manufacturing.  The USA has maintained a military lead because the government is heavily involved and integrated into private military equipment manufacturers.  Until we see this with schools and strategic manufacturing sectors, we should expect more of the same.

This attitude among the Investor Class has not only hurt minority groups in the USA but is now hurting white ethnic groups.  Go Global and the Browning of America went hand-in-hand, and we can put most of that blame on the Investor Class that has profiteered immensely on Wall Street.  It affects IT and most other sectors.

SOLUTION:  Stop sacrificing your American children for your own personal gain and invest into all of them, regardless of their ethnic background.  There is huge potential and creativity in groups often relegated to music, dance and other less technical art forms.  That creativity is transformable.  The national will must be present to do it.  Esteem manufacturing as highly as IT because they go hand-in-hand.

Jun 29, 2009 8:02 AM Matt Matt  says: in response to Joshua

I keep hearing about how Six Sigma can help IT, but I have yet to see one case study to show how this is true. It is not that I oppposed to Six Sigma, I just fail to see any benefit it has in a software developement environment. I am a big proponent of Test Driven Developemnt, I have seen it transform software developement environments. Six Sigma seems to work fine in manufacturing environments, but doesn't seem to have been development enough to work in IT.

Jun 29, 2009 8:10 AM lee lee  says: in response to vivek mahamuni

Blog Owner,

your blog is out of context about the issue "why employment still exists as a challenge" and not necessarilly to highlight India. A country that many Americans believe is somehow "stealing" U.S. jobs. By mentioning this statement shows how smart of the blog owner. keep learning instead of misleading people.

We all can unsubscribe instead of spending our time on misleading information posted in this sites.

Biography of owner is "covered a variety of business topics as a newspaper reporter before switching to automated teller machines as the editor of online trade publication"

Jun 29, 2009 8:21 AM Shanky Shanky  says:

Looks like the entire HCL marketing team is doing damage control for their CEO. The first few comments (from Meena, Hiranya, Rocks etc...) seems quite obvious unless they care about truth so much that they went all the effort to search the web and understand the real context.. Wow!!

Well, it was a rabble raising comment.. but nevertheless needed for people to pay attention and wasnt too far off from the truth nor what other CEOs are saying.

Jun 29, 2009 8:55 AM user572542 user572542  says: in response to Meena

it's comments like Nayar's that will make Americans realize that the Indian guru complex makes Indians incompatible with American culture and resist

immigration of millions of them into America.

Jun 29, 2009 9:08 AM Klaus Moorile Klaus Moorile  says:

What a crock as usual.  American students are not "unemployable" because of the education system.  There just are very few talented students going into IT because they know they will not be able to find employment at a reasonable rate because of pay scale erosion due the Indian companies and the greedy "one quarter at time" management teams of US companies.  They have seen what has happened to their parents.  We have all seen what has happened to software and support quality.  Also, AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson should get a clue.  A call center position is not a skilled job.  AT&T used to have a group called Bell Labs.  Those were skilled jobs.  Where are those jobs now developing the next breakthough technologies for the world? If Mr. Gates wants to find highly qualified experienced help, all he has to do is take a look at the number of US engineers who are unemployed over the age of 50.  What Gates means is "We are having trouble finding people we can pay slave labor rates to who can do a minimally exceptable job and will work around the clock and have no quality of life so I can jet around the world and pretend to be a philanthropist."

Jun 29, 2009 9:12 AM Klaus Moorlie Klaus Moorlie  says: in response to Klaus Moorile

"exceptable" should be "acceptable".  Spell checker ....

Jun 29, 2009 11:00 AM Yuvi Yuvi  says: in response to Rocks

Vineet Nayyar's statement is a very Narcissist statement. His company HCl does most of the low-end jobs for American corporations, which outsources them to Highly "skilled" employable Indian engineers.

Quality of Indian engineers is blown out of proportion by people like Nayyar for their own vested interests, if the quality was so good then why many product companies had to shut down their R&D shops in India. I know at least 20 such companies. I have visited many India engineering institutes that product engineers in "Bulk" conveyor belt system of education these people are virtually unemployable.

Many outsourcing companies have been blatantly misusing the Immigration laws and have been flooding American market with cheap labour by using cracks in the laws and in result have not only exploited the American worker but also the Migrant worker from India and China etc. L1 and H1 are most exploited categories.

They pay their people pea-nut salaries back in India/china and operate at huge net margins and don't even pay any taxes....now when tax concessions are going to go in 2010 they are lobbying again with new government to bail them out. Its a sick industry which hires and fires at will and exploits its customers,employees like.

Jun 29, 2009 2:12 PM Ben Wilkerson Ben Wilkerson  says: in response to Meena

Here are a couple common misperceptions regarding Indian outsourcing.

1. Outsourcing to India is cheaper than doing the task in-house. Not necessarily! Companies in a variety of verticals are beginning to realize the true costs related to knowledge transfer, rework, time-change difficulties, huge communication issues and projects not being delivered on time. Indian companies are beginning to tack-on all sorts of additional fees, because over time their own labor costs have increased.

2. Most jobs taken by Indians are development and Service Desk related. Not true at all. Indians are coming to America on H1-B visas and they're assuming a number of roles including;Executive Mgmt., Project Mgmt., Strategy, Consulting, Business Analysis, Process Engineering, Program Mgmt. and the list goes on. All of these roles were formerly occupied by Americans less than 10 years ago.

3. Indians produce higher quality work than Americans. That's absurd and I could provide dozens of examples to counter such a claim. That's not to say Indians can't or don't do quality work, because they do. However, the notion that Americans can no longer provide basic programming work is just not true.

Let me be frank. There is a cultural undercurrent of resentment brewing on the part of Americans towards Indian workers. This is not conjecture, speculation or a hypothethical - it's a fact.

Jun 29, 2009 2:59 PM john prieur john prieur  says:

I agree with the author in that, in my experiences as a native US grad, there is a preponderance of incompetence among established American personnel (management, senior IT staff, etc.) and recent American grads in related fields. I see an almost universal rotten attitude among American managers and old and new technology workers about productivity and quality (which I encounter or hear about in my work as a Software Engineer, and in academic situations I have been in).

However, I would also personally observe that there is a preponderance of attitutes, expressed verbally and behaviorally, among arrivals from India that sound like a culture of racism (examples in a moment). Generalizations such as that which Vineet published without the backing of a study using six sigma techniques such as ANOVA, indicate that the author lacks the analytic abilities, judgment and rudimentary writing skills necessary to promote potentially racist beliefs against the people of the United States. Vineet fails to apply his criticism of failure to use the statistical techniques to himself while damning an entire population based on their lack of being Indian or Chinese.

I personally experience this kind of racist attitude in the work place. Example. All the people from India conduct business in Hindi (or Malayalam) in the presence of others who only speak English. Managers from India behave in a supportive communicative way with people who they regard as "their race", while in comparable situations act rudely and with disgust toward Englanders (a racial epithet I have received from a Parat Wassi co-worker). Another kind of example (and I have many) is that most of my co-workers from India seem to expect others to figure out what they mean when they use the English language very poorly (by US standards).Finally, several of my recent co-workers, whose "bio" claimed that they held Computer Science degrees from certain well-known institutions in India, were unfamiliar with a number of very basic concepts in subjects like set theory, discrete math, and statistics. I have the impression, just my personal experiences of these co-workers, that they got a lot of web application coding, but not the broad learning and theory that I have given myself. The reaction to my questioning was that theory is not so important.

Now, before you accuse me of holding racist attitudes without referencing a statistical study, there is a difference. First, I did not publish a paper expressing what American grads are all like. I am only responding with my personal experiences. Second, I am careful in the workplace and elsewhere to NOT express or act on racist cultural patterns that I may have picked up from the broader culture. I go the extra mile to give people the benefit of the doubt, and carefully avoid phrases that could conceivably sound biased. I have learned some Hindi words and devanagari, because its enjoyable, and set an example for building each side of a bridge of acceptance. - Juan

Jun 29, 2009 4:02 PM Ahrsee Ahrsee  says:

Has Mr. Nayar actually ever employed an American?  If he did he would likely find what I have - creative, problem solving, business focused and involved employees.  My experience with outsourced employees is good for automatronic activity where only technical and not social skills are required. 

The current focus on Six Sigma (I am a GE certified Master Black Belt) is largely artificial - many companies use Lean Sigma and other like methods quite successfully in software and IT management situations - but it is not a magic bullet.  Moreover I will not take Six Sigma credentials from ASQ or other agencies who have more or less created mills for certifications without requisite experience in the application of methods.  My experience with particularly Indian employees is that it is all about the certification alphabet (6Sigma, COBIT, ITIL, PMP) and very little about the content behind it.  Take a test become and expert.  I realize this is a very generalized and some might consider racist and stereotypical statement - but it is what I have seen for many years.  The scramble for H1B's is financially driven of course - but if a real cost benefit methodology existed that accounted for real value delivered there would be many fewer foreign nationals looking for American employment.  I would not doubt a much larger American labor backlash if the current push for H1B's exists while US unemployment hovers at almost 10% - Congress may be funded by multinationals but they are elected by citizens.

I must mention that there is the problem of communication.  Running remote development will ALWAYS lead to a reduced quality in product.  Running a remote development environment where requirements are poorly understood due to language and cultural barriers is insane and people deserve what they get for going discount.

This is a problem.  This is not a world market - a world market would include India as a consumer as well as a producer and that is not something that will happen for many many many years to come.  When I can walk down the halls in Bangalore and see as many Smiths and Johnsons on office doors as I see Bhallas and Reddys and Krishnamurthis at most Silicon Valley companies then I'll be convinced this is a real world market.  Visit India, go outside the tech corridors, see how people live and what they consume...then tell me this is a world market and not labor exploitation by the very rich everywhere.

Jun 29, 2009 4:21 PM Ahrsee Ahrsee  says: in response to hiranya

Actually after reading the blog I think the undercurrent created by Mr. Nayar is especially nasty and racist.  The quality of Indian education is questionable (rote, rote, rote) to anyone who has experienced it or has dealt extensively with the people who come out of it.  Unfortunately people like Mr. Nayar consider themselves visionary despite the fact that they can see no farther than their wallet.  This doesn't surprise me - I find the "Indian Mafia" wherever I go in IT in the US - it is culturally understandable to want some comfort by association when far from home, but as a business practice it is stupid and unacceptable as it creates not only cultures of altruism and nepotism but promotes racism coming from all sides when push comes to shove and performance needs to be fairly assessed.  Badly done Mr. Nayar, badly done.

Jun 29, 2009 6:59 PM Debashish Sarkar Debashish Sarkar  says: in response to Quentin

I have seen e-mails form companies in the US stating that they prefer H1 Visas to Us citizens and Permanent Residents. I think this is illegal and against the purpose of H1 visas in the first place. there has to be a system to prosecute such companies.

Jun 29, 2009 7:15 PM Dilip Dilip  says: in response to Ann All

I liked Ann All's article and do not believe for an instant that she "attacked" Nayar by her verbage. It was a very well informed and excellent article. Nayar is not the only "global" leader as some have pointed out and in my professional opinion agree with Ann -- "Even smart people sometimes show a lack of good judgment."

The US educational system is the best in the world and if not - why people from other countries come here en masse to do their MS / MBA before returning to their home countries or even starting their own ventures here with a US educated stamp on their bios -- It is easy for people to say something just to sustain outsourcing and putting down the US educational system.

    Good job on the article Ann and keep 'em coming.


                                     Dilip / California


Jun 29, 2009 7:28 PM Michael Short Michael Short  says: in response to Dilip

Obviously we are missing the real issue.  outsourcing is ultimaley all about money not about the people or their skills. Pay and benefits versus doing in with US labor or outsourcing.  We all know that our companies are outsourcing to avoid benefits and retirements more than anything else.  There are literally 5 US applicants for any job you can name.  Then why outsource. We are lowering costs and nothing else.

Jun 29, 2009 7:30 PM vivek mahamuni vivek mahamuni  says:

..i think, this blog doesn't provide a broader overlook over the actual issue..rather than a issue, i would say, a need-to-think upon perspective..

..reading the statements of Vineet Nayar, i feel that he drew attention to a new dimension..and here the blog is stating up something distinct in projection of the words..

..Better to be pragmatic to the global scenario, and apply wide brains...

..keep learning ..and ..brains turning'..

Jun 30, 2009 10:15 AM Bob Smith Bob Smith  says: in response to Kurt

The main reason why Indians (and others) are so 'willing' is that the cost of living in India and other places is much cheaper than here.

Not only that, with the advent of newer technologies that are designed to eliminate jobs (virtualization, automation, etc.) as well as the changing nature of the field (some want to make it a 'cost center' where it has to make revenue, others want to make it more 'business friendly' while others want to turn it into a glorified help desk), less and less students truly believe IT a viable career option.

In case you haven't noticed, IT is hardly something that one considers a long term career option unless you really REALLY like technology or want to move higher and higher into management. In most of the companies I work with, IT has been synonymous with 'help desk' and frankly, I don't want to work for $15 an hour - I have worked too hard and for too long to accept that. You may consider that an entitlement mentality, but I am sure that you all have had this thought in your head at least once or twice.

To put this into perspective, when I graduated from school, I worked in IT thinking that I could help build infrastructures which can make my company run more efficiently or at the very least, sophisticated applications that would be usable by the companies I worked with. Even as far back as the early 90s, I quickly learned that large companies don't want to invest in their employees and schools don't adequately prepare their students to do what is required of them. When you combine these factors, you come up with a scenario which is ripe for outsourcing which is exactly what happened and continues to this day.

In case you were wondering what happened to me, after years of that 'abuse', I decided to go into marketing. While that has its own set of issues, at least I feel most of the time that I am providing some intrinsic value to the company I work for and don't see myself going back unless things change dramatically.

Jun 30, 2009 10:18 AM Ted Stevens Ted Stevens  says:

I read Vineet's blogs and while on the surface I agree with what he says, I find it laughable that he can say that HCL is "an environment steeped in ethics, transparency and conscience has been at the heart of our philosophy. Pursuing excellence and value in an environment that promotes corporate governance has been our choice."

As someone who knows a number of people who worked there who came from India, it's hardly that way in reality. They have told me how they were forced to work long hours for very little money and without any benefits. They truly are little more than a body shop and the fact he can say this with a straight face either makes me think he's a great storyteller or a liar.

Jun 30, 2009 11:19 AM user572542 user572542  says:

Ted Stevens is absolutely correct in his comments about HCL. Nayar is

inflated because he like the rest of the Indian companies are playing Americans for fools because they have their Indian enablers imbedded in major American corporations. Currently there is no real shortage of qualified American IT workers and it is time the President provides leadership on this issue.

Nayam is inflated because he has his Indian enablers imbedded in major American companies and they not only facilitating offshore contract but also onshore staff augumentation (i.e. cheao H1B Indian workers) contracts.

The recent case of criminal accounting and corporate espionage of its clients by Satyam is just a peek into the corrupt business practices of these Indian IT companies

Jun 30, 2009 12:03 PM Debashish Sarkar Debashish Sarkar  says: in response to user572542

The comment from the CEO of this Indian company is definitely irresponsible and displays great degree of ignorance. He needs to apologise and move on.

You can't earn your bread and butter from the US and then speak derogatirily about their citizens. I have seen many H1 visa employees of Indian origin - the only thing that stands out is that they put in many hours of work - much more than most US citizen's are used to.

I have studied in India including college in an IIT. The education system in the US for all levels - kindergarten to college is far superior to India's. An IIT is not comparable to MIT. And IIM is not comparable to Harvard. These are facts.

In my opinion , it is not the education system but the culture in the US which plays a very big role in the success of a child's education. There are many school districts in the US where the kids get a fantastic opportunity at education- and most of these school districts have a very diverse mix of ethnicity and students form all ethnic background do very well here. We have to invest our time with our kids and motivate them to succeed. A parent can for example set targets for their kids - " You have to do better than me in your academic achievement" - this simple metric will change the mindset of our teenage kids and make them extremely productive.

Jun 30, 2009 12:37 PM Debashish Sarkar Debashish Sarkar  says: in response to Preetham

Mr Bill Gates and Mr John Chambers, to the best of my knowledge are US citizens and have the right to make statements on the US education system.

Mr Vineet Nayyar's comments relate to the employabilty of US graduates - most probabily because he thinks that Induan H1 labor is cheap. In the big picture actually they are not cheaper.

By the way, H1 visa holders are supposed to be paid higher.

Jun 30, 2009 6:37 PM user572542 user572542  says: in response to Ahrsee

Mr. Nayar is displaying the Indian "model minority" and "we are better"

branding that Indians are trying to promote in America. The sooner, he and other Indians realize that they have almost no history in the United States (prior to y2k they were almost unseen here) and that the United States innovation over the last hundred is unsurpassed by India or any other country, they will be more humble and thankful for their cheap labor role in the American economy. In addition, their corrupt business practices which is now bleeding into their interaction with the American political system will soon come to a screeching halt when the FBI uproot their bribery networks in the coming months.

There no natural/historical/cultural connection with India and if Indians are so great why is India such a backward country.

Jul 7, 2009 2:57 PM Mayank Mayank  says:

This is how the global IT industry market is shaping where competitive and perseverant workforce from India are changing the rules of the game

Feb 18, 2010 4:27 PM XYZ XYZ  says: in response to Meena

Hi Meena,

Enough of this horse manure from HCL PR team.. Vineet Nayar is using HCL marketing team for his shameless self promotion through his so called Vineet blog.  As you know Shiv Nadar's daughter Roshni is US educated at Northwestern. Is Vineet Nayyar saying that she is also not employable?

It would have been nice if you would have identified yourself as an HCL employee from the HCL PR department !

Feb 21, 2010 11:07 AM pradeep pradeep  says: in response to user572542

There is a big diffrnce between indian IT profs and US engrs.. the diffrnce of age and experience. US IT people are mostly 35+ while indian IT people are vag age 26, thats where the diffrnce comes, and obviously thats y US IT people better.

Feb 23, 2010 5:17 PM EXE EXE  says: in response to Ann All

Most of the postive coments in this artciles are from HCL employees such as Meena Vaidyanathan. Hiranya, Rocks, Soumitra Sen etc.

Shame on you Vineet Nayar for using your PR department to write cover up artciles.

Mar 7, 2010 6:26 PM XLRI XLRI  says:

E- Visas

Submitted by Anonymous on March 7, 2010 - 2:13 A.M.

This is the recent announcement from Govt of India. I think US should do the same ship out the Indians on H1B and L1 back to India. Let USA follow the same rules so that Vineet Nayar cannot send hundreds of L1 Visa holders of his company to USA This will teach a valuable lesson to Vineet Nayar's arrogance.

Indian Missions abroad shall no longer issue E-Visas to foreigners constituting more than 1% of total number of workers working on the project, with a minimum of five (5) and a maximum of twenty (20). Further, E-Visas shall be issued only in the event the foreigner is a skilled and qualified professional, technical expert, senior executive or in a managerial position, and workers with such skills are not available in India. Issuance of E-Visas to foreigners who are either unskilled or semi-skilled workers may be prohibited as a result of the new guidelines.

Mar 24, 2010 10:18 AM Shiva Shiva  says: in response to Joshua

i Totally agree with  Joshua, The quest for the next big thing is more important than doing the same old boring ones.

The six-sigma etc.. are just certifications which can be acquired by using paper sake policies.

It seems Mr.Nayar has forgot how his business started, "By selling computers in India" which was the "Next Big Thing" during 80's

Mar 24, 2010 11:01 AM Hcl Employee Hcl Employee  says: in response to Ted Stevens

I agree with the fact that cost of living is cheaper in India and because of large population and heavy competition, people are forced to work at lower salaries...

Please dont misunderstand Indians as Job Stealers as its the consultancies which get the profits not the workers.

Also Mr.Nayar is Completely Faking when he says"HCL is "an environment steeped in ethics, " NO WAY ,HCL is the WORST COMPANY in TERMS of EMPLOYEE BENEFITS"

View this bog where HCL is reviewed by its employees.


Sep 10, 2010 11:21 AM Indus1234 Indus1234  says: in response to Hcl Employee

US should revoke Vineet Nayar's Visa and he will find out how smart Americans are..

Dec 23, 2010 10:57 AM pigbitin mad pigbitin mad  says: in response to Kurt

And if our rent was $200 a month we could work just as cheap as they could. END OF STORY.

Dec 23, 2010 11:03 AM pigbitin mad pigbitin mad  says: in response to Da_Cheeze

Re:  Chasing the money all over the world.

Yeah, I agree.  How the hell is everyone supposed to pick up and move to follow the lowest wages (where all the jobs are).

This is a good reason for a global boycott of all Fortune 500 companies.

It may be difficult or impossible to achieve 100%.  But if you stop replacing items before they are completely worn out, and try to buy products from the smallest manufacturers.  And especially stop going to Walmart, some damage could be effected on these A holes.

Feb 15, 2011 9:56 AM Ted Smith Ted Smith  says:

AT&T is not allowing many highly qualified Americans to apply for work. They are blacklisting us by our SSNs and the EEOC is suing AT&T for Age Discrimination. 

Feb 16, 2011 7:25 PM M William Martin M William Martin  says: in response to Meena

Oh please, enough of this "not qualified" and "not trained". Between the multi-nationals and private equity business is simply finding those who will work the cheapest, plain and simple. No, India isn't stealing the jobs they are just willing to work the cheapest. Randall Stephenson was talking out his butt. e can't find qualified people "indeed". He was in a bind at the time of that statement, AT&T had simply not repatriated enough jobs to satisfy the FCC requirement tagged to the Bellsouth purchase. They are currently paying 1983 pay scales for customer service people, 1983. That's just cheap not "not qualified". And if that wasn't enough, there is an AT&T black list of former, retired employees who will not be allowed to apply, shameful.


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