H-1B Visa Delivers Hate, but Not Applications

Wayne Rash

On Monday, July 26, a column I wrote on eWEEK about the diminishing number of applications for H-1B visas appeared, and was immediately followed by a string of comments that expressed a shocking level of racism, hate, bigotry and pure mean-spiritedness. I had everything from threats of violence against foreign workers using H-1B visas to insults. The experience was so unpleasant, and the comments in some cases so libelous, that I asked the editors to pull the entire comments section, and to disable the ability to leave comments.

My point was that the number of applicants has declined steadily over the years, partly due to the lousy job market in the U.S., and partly due to bureaucratic bungling. It's clearly a waste of federal money when one part of the Executive Branch-the Department of State-approves a visitor, and another part of the same branch, the Department of Homeland Security, refuses to let the people leave the airport, and sends them home. Regardless of the rationale, it makes the government appear as if it's being run by idiots.

Another reason that the numbers are declining is that the process is difficult, which is probably not a bad thing. An applicant has to prove that they have a job, that it's at a level considered eligible for the program, and that the pay is at a level so that people with H-1B visas aren't simply a source of cheap labor. This may take evidence provided by the prospective employer and a series of interviews at a U.S. Consulate in the person's home country. The process may be difficult and sometimes expensive, but one way or the other, there needs to be a process.

But after seeing the response to people wishing to enter on such temporary visas, I now know there is another reason. Why would anyone want to enter the U.S., knowing that they would be subjected to a nearly constant stream of racism, hate and threats?

I'm sure there are many who don't see this as a problem. After all, if we keep these people out of the U.S., aren't we preserving American jobs? But in reality, the point of the H-1B visa is to invite the best workers from other places to work in American companies and contribute their talents, their skills and their time to make our companies better. The companies that proactively hire such people, many of which are in the technology sector, benefit from having these people on hand, and if they benefit, so does the rest of the economy.

But in the case of tech companies, at least the ones that I interact with, foreign workers are not here as cheap labor. They're here to bring their talents and their viewpoints to U.S .companies. In many cases, these same people go home after a time to work in the local offices of these same companies. In effect, we're growing the economic benefit of these people two ways. First, by gaining their skills, and second by making use of the training they received here when they go back home, and contribute to the bottom line of the company through their local offices in the person's home country.

But It would seem that it's become acceptable to some people to openly espouse racism as long as it's directed at someone who's not from here. You have to wonder what they're thinking, but are afraid to say. Do they also direct that same hate at everyone else who doesn't look like them?

The technology industry and IT needs anyone it can find who can make things work better, regardless of where they're from or what they look like. One would hope that the IT business was made up of people smart enough to have moved on. But unfortunately, some in this business are just as bigoted as everybody else. And that's bad for IT, for business and for the rest of us.

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Aug 3, 2010 3:08 AM Anonymous Anonymous  says:
The reality is quite different. An industry has built up over the 20+ years this policy has been in place--money talks and now it is good business in more ways than one to bring in foreign workers. Everybody makes money in the process. And it's not the best who are coming. From students to indentured servants, the statistics are truly awful. Take the time to page through the H-1b only want ads in the following link. [ http://bit.ly/aCPZqs ] How can ads promote that American's need not apply? Really? In America? And please Mr. Rash start researching this topic instead of spouting unexamined points of view. American tech workers and their family are being nailed to the wall by a not so innocent policy which rejoices in global opportunity while America is being sold to the highest bidder. Reply
Aug 3, 2010 6:08 AM Anonymous Anonymous  says:
Here are the facts: Companies DESTROYED by H-1B labor: PeopleSoft, Sun Micro, Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli), Quark (Alukah Kamar, CEO fired), MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled due to cheating), Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned due to fake resumes), ComAir reservation system, Boeing Dreamliner ILS and collision detection software (written by HCL), Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers), Dell, United, Delta call centers (closed in India because they don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers), HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006), AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture, collapsed in 2009), World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data). I could post the whole list here but I don't want to crash any servers. Reply
Aug 3, 2010 6:08 AM Anonymous Anonymous  says:
Why are prominent Indian businessmen like Azim Premji & Vineet Nayar allowed to run amok in America saying things like "America does not have the talent", or "American grads ae unemployable" but when Americans right try to expose the rampant racism India, Inc. is practicing on American IT workers, suddenly it's RACISM. No one cares anymore Rash. Americans could care less if we are called racists because Americans now know that the whole world is racist - and a lot more racist than Americans who are only asking not to be kept out of the workforce by the very people we are importing. Reply
Aug 3, 2010 6:08 AM Saul Carpenter Saul Carpenter  says:
At the onset , I would like to paste some of the comments made in a racist anti H1b Website that has in effect , become also an Anti Indian website, and to drill down even more precisely an anti Hindu Website . Please take a look at these comments : "The Insurgency is having a profound impact. Even shills for the Indian Outsourcing Regime (IOR), like freelance writer Wayne Rash, are taking notice. He remarks that the slumdogs are now too scared to try to come to the USA, because they might get called names! Too bad, scabs." I am not interested in popularizing that site with links. The comments actually become a lot worse. There are 2 Factors here that finally boil down : - <> the sense of insecurity that's actually spread amongst Americans by people of the sort above , who lost their job to competition and now keep "grunting" <> The sum total effect that H1B's give to the management as a whole , delivered as value. Value in terms of newer perspective, newer skills, and lower costs. To appreciate the 2nd , you should not have the 1st - so most times they are mutually exclusive and the 1st group see H1b's as a "conflict of interest" to their current positions . However that is not so. It is a kind of Hype that is spread by people of the likes of Mike Ambrose ( who prides himself in writing some VB kind of 101 spam software) , John Miano etc. These were those people who like to keep their work "as much of a Holy Grail" so that they can for the rest of their lives, keep flying twin engine super luxury pvt Cessna Jets, drawing $160K Salaries. When the cost go up , profits get squeezed and management understands the need for "opening the clogged lines". If this were NOT to happen and protectionism was further reinforced by Management - the result WILL be clearly seen - what happened to GM and Ford will happen to the IT Industry in US. ( Yeah all those MI workers formed various unions to protect their interests. Management caved in . Net result ? what happened to their products ? just clunker by clunker without any innovation to the point where there is no life ) It has been able to survive from the point of total shutdown due to the fact that it could sustain itself with so much lower costs and increased productivity. On the other side of it , there was a time when these small time BPO India companies were taking it to the other end. Most of this kind of abuse came in from "strong community brotherhoods" within them.Again a protectionist attitude to insecurity about their performance. Such people got jobs only using "internal connections and recommendations". I am on H1b and I strongly feel that such arbitrary "connections and influence" have done harm to healthy competition and also in some ( though not to the extent it is exaggerated ) cases deprived Americans of their opportunities. I read another wonderful comment from some other H1B holder just like me - and I agree with him. I think the US Govt can conduct some "raw analytical , quantitative etc skills" assessment test similar to GRE and some "domain tests" in the skill area where the work will be . If such an evaluation will occur , the milk and water will separate and whatever little abuse takes place will go down drastically. That seems more sensible than foolishly driving back people who have jobs at the port of entry , because some brain dead "ice" officers self assume positions of "judges" and try and decide if they deserve the job or not. Reply
Aug 3, 2010 6:08 AM Anonymous Anonymous  says:
Every immigrationw wave to the U.S. since 1900 has led to recession or depression. The late 1998-2000 wave was the biggest in U.S. history - bigger than the one from 1906-1920. Historical facts do not lie. Here is the history of immigration and recession to America since 1900: 1906-1920 - Huge wave from Europe - Great Depression in 1929. 1965 - Ted Kennedy's Immigration Reform Act - Big recession 1973-1981 1990 - H-1B started - recession 1991-1993 Oct. 1998 - H-1B caps raised form 65,000 to 115,000 per year - collapse in 2001. Apri 2000 - H-1B caps raised from 115,000 per year to 195,000 per year - collapse in 2008. The fake "recovery" in the mid 2000's was no recovery - just cheap Fed credit making up for Americans losing their jobs. America was built by Americans. Every buildup leads to immigrant takers who come in when times are good, strip the economy, then leave when times are bad - as they are now. 84% of the current U.S. population was born here. Do you seriously expect us to believe that 84% of the natives live off the work of the other 16% immigrants? Come on, stop being either a liar or delusional. Immigration is a disaster for America. China and India don't have open borders. Did I mention they are booming? In China it is ILLEGAL to transfer currency out of the country. In India there are LAWS on the books making it illegal to hire Americans there. In Japan even if you are born there, if you come from a mixed marriage, you get deported when the country is in recession. How's that for racism? If America were racist, then H-1Bs wouldn't even exist. And we would have deported all the TEMPORARY ones who came in over a decade ago. You've heard the saying "What goes around, comes around". The India, Inc. Mafia has been shoving the Americans who built Silicon Valley out of IT jobs for well over a decade. Americans have had enough. What goes around, comes around, India, Inc. Reply
Aug 3, 2010 6:08 AM Anonymous Anonymous  says:
Obviously a decade of importing millions of foreign workers hasn't made technology "work better". It's been the biggest disaster in 70 years. Why should we continue to import people from 3rd world countries with miserable track records of innovation? Why aren't we importing millions of people from world-class engineering countries like Japan or Germany? Surely they can help us. Where is the Indian operating system? Name one tech product from an Indian company. Or one from China for that matter. I don't mean assembled there, I mean INVENTED there. The fact is, guest worker programs, like all globalization are just a new, insidious form of communism - giving things created by the productive to the non-producitve. That's why we're importing mostly people from the 3rd world. Apple CLOSED its R&D center in India in 2006 and Apple is BOOMING. Apple is the only tech company booming now precisely because it still hires mostly Americans. All the others have been destroyed or severely damaged. Reply
Aug 3, 2010 12:08 PM EngiNERD EngiNERD  says:
Check out this breaking news......... Asian paper banned from using guest worker program http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15661994?nclick_check=1 The company has agreed to pay 22 workers about $473,000 in back wages, plus a $40,000 civil penalty. Seems a month doesn't go by and yet another company is fined for abusing the H-1b program... Don't forget the INFAMOUS -- "How Not to Hire an American Worker" - Video Reply
Aug 3, 2010 1:08 PM TaxiDriver TaxiDriver  says:
You have characterized the comments as "a shocking level of racism, hate, bigotry and pure mean-spiritedness" but yet you had them deleted. Vivek Wadhwa characterized an Amendment by Sen. Charles Grassley restricting H-1b hiring for TARP recipients using almost exactly the same words. So, how do we know you're not mischaracterizing the comments exactly the same way? I have read a lot of articles on this subject, and I read the comments. I have NEVER seen threats of violence on the part of American commenters and I find it hard to believe that they suddenly appeared here. ON the other hand, I have seen MANY threats of violence made by aliens toward anti-globalist sentiments. It's mighty convenient that your characterization comes when and only when the actual comments are no longer available to speak for themselves. With one hand, you pen your characterization, and with the other, you remove the reader's ability to judge for himself. I find that kind of tactic used frequently among globalist shills. I, for one, seriously doubt that there were threats of violence. I also doubt that the comments were actually racist or xenophobic. On the other hand, I have no doubt that a globalist would characterize them that way, just as Wadhwa did with the Grassley Amendment. I say put up or shut up. TD Reply
Aug 3, 2010 3:08 PM POed Lib POed Lib  says:
I have been an IT person since 1983, but not a formal one - I do things which involve IT. As such, I have hired H-1Bs and Americans. I will never under any circumstances hire another H-1B. They are not here because they are the "best and the brightest". Most of the ones I hired (all Chinese, all women) are here to have 2+ kids. They have no initiative. They are unable to make a creative addition. They are in-the-box thinkers. Americans take the ball and run, innovate, and make creative additions. Reply
Aug 4, 2010 3:08 AM weaver weaver  says:
Video: Viveck Wadhwa, explains globalization and compares educational programs of China, India and America, "...the bottom line is that there is nothing wrong with American workers, they were better by far, not by a little, but by a lot..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvqqYDmLgjY Click on "weaver" if link is truncated, Reply
Aug 4, 2010 4:07 AM weaver weaver  says: in response to weaver
We see in the press, percentages of foreign students in S&E postgraduate degree programs. However, the actual numbers of graduates shows that the existing caps are adequate to handle all of the S&E graduates -- many don't want to stay. The H-1B and L-1 allows too many undergraduates, mostly into Computer related occupations. ============================================================================= From the 2006 NSF data, Non resident degrees: Masters Science & Engineering = 30,841 http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf10300/tables/tab7?.xls ============================================================================= Doctorate Science & Engineering = 11,522 http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf10300/tables/tab1?0.xls Reply
Aug 4, 2010 9:08 PM Anonymous Anonymous  says:
The problem that I had with your previous article was that your premise of, "H-1B Visa Usage Declines Sharply Due to Economy, Bureaucracy". Is actually incorrect. The number of applications and the rate that H1B slots are being filled have nothing to do with the total number of H1B Visas being granted -If- all of the H1B slots for a given year eventually end up being consumed. I have no doubt that this will be the case this year as it has been the case for the previous few years even when the economy was reeling. If you are reporting on the number of applications or the rate that H1B slots are being used, then that should be the central premise of your article. Reply
Aug 5, 2010 3:08 AM Tunnel Rat Tunnel Rat  says:
Why I [blog about the Slumdog Invasion]: to defend the freedom of speech, which is our only line of defense against tyranny. If any group is placed beyond criticism or beyond being offended, that group has become a privileged class that can exert its will over other groups, and they'll have no recourse -- because to speak out against the privileged group would be "hate speech." Were some of the [posts] I ran offensive to [Hindus, slumdogs, Indians/Pick One]? Maybe. I don't care. Why not? Because I'm a "[Xenophobe]." Puh-leeze. I ran them because we live in a pluralistic society. I ran them because [Hindus, slumdogs, Indians/Pick One] have to learn to put up with being offended in the West just like everyone else; the only alternative is that it becomes against the law to offend them, and they become a special class with special rights, which is just what [Hindu-fascism] demands. On the contrary, in a free society, we don't all think the same way, we don't all believe the same things. So we have two choices: we can all fight each other until one group establishes dominance, or we can learn to put up with people who don't think like we do exercising their freedom speech in ways we might find offensive. People say and do things offensive to Jews all the time. And to Christians, too. Andres Serrano put a crucifix in a jar of urine and called it art, and the mainstream media couldn't remind Christians about free speech and the dangers of censorship fast enough. But offend [Hindus, slumdogs, Indians/Pick One] and you get threatened with death, or [harassed by the FBI] -- and this is all part of a larger effort: [NASSCOM, USINPAC, TiE/pick one] has been working for years now � to make offending [Hindus, slumdogs, Indians/Pick One] illegal worldwide. If they succeed -- and [you] don't get a clue -- you can the idea of equal rights for all out the window: [Hindus, slumdogs, Indians/Pick One] will be set up as a protected class, beyond criticism. And that's just what the [Slumdogs] want." Reply
Aug 5, 2010 4:40 AM Anonymous Anonymous  says: in response to Anonymous
A friend of mine told me at lunch that he just read an article that said that H-1B Visas were on the decline. I knew that wasn't the case so I asked him what his source was and he e-mailed me the link to Wayne's earlier article. After I read the article I saw that in fact it was only the total # of applications that were down and slots were just not filling as fast. This is definitely misleading. It doesn't matter if it takes 1 day to fill all 60,000 H1B Visa slots or 350 days. All that matters in the end is the total # of Visas that are granted and this year will be no less than previous years. The title of the article should be changed to reflect the facts. Reply
Aug 14, 2010 11:08 PM Anonymous Anonymous  says:
I have lived and worked in Silicon Valley for over 16 years. I see what goes on daily. We're flying these people in, mostly from India, a 3rd world country, where many people have never even seen a light switch, and we're plopping them down in chairs in U.S. jobs formerly occupied by brilliant Americans, and we're training them. Some have never used a computer before. And we're doing this on the scale of about a million people per years. And we've been doing this for 12 years. Now what do you suppose will happen to an economy that replaces 1 million of its most brilliant job creators every year with people who have never seen a keyboard before? Economic collapse, that's what. Which is exactly what we are seeing. If Americans "hate" these people, it's only because many of them come here, get trained, get into positions of management, and then only hire other Indians. It's illegal, it's racist, and it's just plain wrong. America is supposed to be the land of opporunity for everyone. But those we are brining in today have more rights and opportunity than the citizens that were born here. Until we wake up to the reality of the nature of the people we are brining in that hate us, nothing in the U.S. economy is ever going to improve. Reply
Aug 14, 2010 11:08 PM Anonymous Anonymous  says:
Read Title 8, Section 1182 of Federal Code. It's called INADMISSIBLE ALIENS. That laws says that ANY foreign worker (even 'legal' ones) that adversely affect the wages or working conditions of American workers is INADMISSIBLE. INADMISSIBLE. That means they are NOT TO BE ADMITTED TO THE U.S. PERIOD. So if Americans are haters, then so is the law. We need our immigration laws enforced. Every single one of these H-1B workers is an INADMISSIBLE ALIEN under U.S. Federal law as long as one American worker is unemployed. Demand enforcement of the law. Reply
Sep 12, 2010 6:09 PM Anonymous Anonymous  says:
yah, importing six million half brain damaged indians with fake degrees during A ten year recession in the computer industry that makes a ton of sense Gee Obama, wonder why no recovery? Maybe sending americas best and brightest to the WELFARE LINES wasn't such a great idea after all? Without the high paying jobs and salaries engineers cannot SAVE and connot then create companies OH and by the way, dont call these half-negroid indians asians. Thats an insult to asians. Reply
Oct 12, 2010 6:10 PM Anonymous Anonymous  says:
The world is fed up with Indians (Europe, Australia, China, UAE) waving their degrees and self serving arguments for immigration. Truth is that India is a giant slum. It begs for aid, then steals it; the political system is corrupt; the streets resemble open sewers; they can only compete for business on price, never quality or delivery. Usually, the first ones arrive as immigrants with education professing a work hard attitude. Yet, time and again, they turn the neighborhoods they live in, into slums; they bring their families which end up on welfare and using up medical resources; their neighborhoods become nests for criminals. Indians want the western life style, but they cant clean up their own country. It is a cheap option to move somewhere and clothe yourself in their mantle. These people will lie, cheat and scam their way to positions of power. The politicians wont be able to do anything about them as the Indians form voting blocks. I believe that the USA, Canada, UK has made a huge mistake in taking these people in. Our children and grandchildren will wonder why we let them colonize us. Dont think for one moment that they will give you a break. Has anyone looked at the immigration rules for India, they make the USA rules look pathetic. Reply
Feb 4, 2011 11:02 PM Anonymous Anonymous  says:
Indians get H 1 visas with the intent of using it as a fast track to emigrate to the USA. When in the USA they have two choices, remain illegaly, as many do, or lobby, as is now going on, for these visas to lead to green cards. They are now so numerous (the legal residents) that it wont be long before the politicians, seeking the votes of Indian residents, will change the laws to allow the illegal ones to remain. Indians have an uncanny ability to use the rules to their advantage. Frequently rules are implemented to correct a wrong from the past, sometimes just bad rules, but the Indians can spot any hole in a rule and dive in quickly. They have discovered the easy way to move to the USA, just havent been able to change the rules so they can stay, but they will. Bringing them from India is a very shortsighted thing to do and only benefits the CEOs and other execs through their bonuses, but is ruining the country. Reply
Feb 9, 2011 6:02 PM Keith Keith  says:
Quote from you article: >An applicant has to prove that ... the pay is at a level so that people with H-1B visas aren�t simply a source of cheap labor. You are misinformed. In practice, there is no mechanism to force these employers to pay the same wage as would be paid to an American. The bill was crafted carefull to appear that such protections exist, but it is not enforcable. Cheap labor is exactly what H-1b is about. If the government had essentially declared all American journalists to be enemies of the state, and invited hundreds of thousands of foreigners to take your job, gave your employer tax advantages to do so, and then called you a racist every time you complained that you can't support your family, you would be mad as hell too. Indians are NEVER the best person for the job. They aren't supposed to be. Since when did anything but dollars matter to U.S. businesses? They are here to take our jobs, and pound down salaries. Stop trying to argue about what what H-1b is by saying what is supposed to be. These are two different things. H-1b is legalized racism. An American now has a very hard time getting a job. Reply
Feb 18, 2011 10:02 PM Anonymous Anonymous  says:
Die SLOW DEAD you f** stop defending Indian frauds. Kill yourself you piece of ***. Indians GO HOME Reply
Feb 18, 2011 10:02 PM Anonymous Anonymous  says:
Blah blah blah a lot of talking: and US graduates have trouble finding jobs, because Indians, etc H1 had taken them. Look at statistics--H1 workers had taken most of the tech jobs. FUCK YOU KILL YOURSELF YOU FRAUD-DEFENDER. GO F** HOME H1 FRAUDS. CREATE YOUR OWN JOBS, DON'T COME HERE. Reply
Feb 19, 2011 2:06 AM Anonymous Anonymous  says: in response to Saul Carpenter
go home Reply
Mar 15, 2011 7:03 PM Dave Dave  says:
I have worked with Indian people for many years. On a personal level, I've had no problem with them as individuals, and do enjoy their company, as I do with anyone visiting from outside the US. As companies, I'm not too sure that the integrity is there. I know people working on projects as supposed experts, but falling very short. I know of the practice that the person being interviewed for the job is NOT the same person who appears on site. I know there is a high turnover rate among those providing high-tech support. Couple all this with alleged B-1 VISA fraud, overcharging clients, etc., are US companies really getting the bang for the buck? There are 29 million US people unemployed. No one can sell to me that all these people are not talented enough to do the job. In the eyes of businesses, we just cost too much. Reply
Mar 19, 2011 11:53 PM Sam Stone Sam Stone  says: in response to Anonymous
From the looks of a vast number of comments on this website...most of the jobless people making nasty comments are blaming H-1B employees for their misfortune. Your vile comments on this board is enough proof you don't deserve to live in a country like the USA which has always stood for equality and the ability of anyone to do well in the USA. Unfortunately the morons on here who are racist and negative don't realize one important aspect, all this is not going to preserve your jobs or get you jobs...most of the large companies who are seeking talent are moving are expanding their operations in India and other countries and hiring people there...that means their taxes and spending is staying in those countries and not helping to stimulate the US economy. For you haters out there, I bet you would rather have illegal immigrants from south of the border who "contribute" more to society than IT professionals who contribute significantly to the well being of this country. It's actually now a stigma in India for people to go work overseas and leaving their loved ones behind. The opportunities are there in India itself and except for the corruption that plagues India it would be on par with any other so called advanced countries. Reply
Apr 15, 2011 7:04 PM Vikram Vikram  says:
I have never read such rants and comments before accusing Indians of all kinds of names and racial slur. I had only heard this kind of fanatism in pakistani clerics and fanatics..What a comparison. Reply
Apr 19, 2011 10:24 PM Anonymous Anonymous  says: in response to Anonymous
You must be lone Chinese person in KKK. You and your pathetic communist lifes. Cant help if your country shoves some thing in your behind constantly Reply
Jul 25, 2011 1:07 PM R. Lawson R. Lawson  says:
"the point of the H-1B visa is to invite the best workers from other places to work in American companies" Wrong, the point of the H-1b program is to reduce labor costs. Time and time again American workers are training foreign workers to do their jobs. If these were the "best workers" they wouldn't need training - and in fact would be training American workers. Everyone know that 9 out of 10 times this visa is used to either assist in the offshoring of jobs or to reduce labor costs. The LCA data indicates that the vast majority of H-1b workers earn less than their American peers. The facts speak for themselves. So enough with this propaganda piece. If you read the comments closely you will see that there is hate from both sides. It's not just Americans who have nasty things to say. I've seen it all - and frankly people like you are only race baiting. Reply
Dec 11, 2011 5:10 AM Dean Dean  says: in response to Anonymous
shut you fucking mouth shit-head Reply
Dec 11, 2011 5:12 AM Dean Dean  says:
Wayne, you are completely mis-informed. I work in the IT business, I'm deep in the trenches every day; I don't just write articles and interview people. I'll put all the racist rants aside, and let you know how it really is. How low-level/low-skilled workers that can barely speak English are brought in to circumvent U.S. labor laws, how tax-paying American citizens are forced to train their own replacements from India, so that foreign companies operating here ( utilizing the domestic infrastructure paid for my American workers ) can replace them with cheap, low-skilled in-sourced workers, how I've seen American IT workers treated like sh*t by foreign companies that are out to see them unemployed; I'll tell you about all of it. And contrary to what you might believe or think, destroying the livelihood of thousands and thousands of IT workers, and removing the incentive for future young Americans to enter the engineering field for fear of not having a career, is definitely not good for America. Of course, I'm only speaking from my limited 25 years of experience in IT,so take it for what it's worth... Reply
Dec 11, 2011 5:41 AM Dean Dean  says: in response to Vikram
maybe it's time to go back to india...just sayin'... Reply

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