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Re: SABSA Model Layers

27 Replies Last post: Dec 8, 2009 2:16 AM by JasonT.Zane Go to original post 1 2 Previous Next
kareemrue   19 posts since
Sep 27, 2009
15. Oct 13, 2009 10:29 PM in response to: Ralph DeFrangesco
Re: SABSA Model Layers

I feel that all the layers are needed. although I feel that it is far too easy to say the business view is the most important. yes the business view is a very important view. the business is the most important factor it is why we have jobs in the first place. that being said I am going to say the most important view is the architects view. I mean after all we are architects.also like the book says the architects view is where the business requirements are met and it defines the principles and fundamental concepts that guide the lower levels. I feel this is the layer that brings it all together

WillWagner   8 posts since
Sep 29, 2009
16. Oct 13, 2009 10:33 PM in response to: JackieClayton
Re: SABSA Model Layers

Jackie - While I do believe the business view is ultimately the most important you make a very good point. I think the the business and architect's view somewhat go hand in hand. All of the layers go hand in hand, however I think these two must both be as accurate as possible to ensure that the layers following them are successful. I believe that the business model is the most important because everything is molded around the requirements given in this initial layer, however the architect's view seems like is would be the most difficult to get correct. In my opinion gives this layer a strong case for the most important layer.

kareemrue   19 posts since
Sep 27, 2009
17. Oct 13, 2009 10:35 PM in response to: marcussampson
Re: SABSA Model Layers

I feel that the same could be said about the architects view. this is where the the design actually starts then the designer takes over from there

MarcKuntz   13 posts since
Oct 7, 2009
18. Oct 13, 2009 10:43 PM in response to: Ralph DeFrangesco
Re: SABSA Model Layers

I strongly believe that the designer's view, AKA the logical security architecture, is the most import layer in the SABSA model. The role of the designer is to take the architect's vision and translate it into reality. The power inherent in this role could make or break the project. This role also requires great skill, as the designer most possess the ability to understand the concepts of architecture and engineering to bring the beginnings of a plan into being. The designer is essential for laying the foundation which turns the abstract into form.



kareemrue   19 posts since
Sep 27, 2009
19. Oct 13, 2009 10:43 PM in response to: IanGreen
Re: SABSA Model Layers

Ian I agree it all starts at the business level but like you stated the lower levels need to be carried out in order to function. the conceptual layer is where the overall plan is constructed this is most important because is spells out to the lower levels what is needed.

WillWagner   8 posts since
Sep 29, 2009
20. Oct 13, 2009 10:47 PM in response to: kareemrue
Re: SABSA Model Layers

This almost seems like a trick question. Everyone is giving great arguments as to why each layer is the most important, it's almost difficult to stick to my original post after reading all of these different comments. A common theme that everyone seems to be agreeing on however, is that almost all of us selected the 2-3 upper layers of the model as the most important.

MarcKuntz   13 posts since
Oct 7, 2009
21. Oct 13, 2009 11:09 PM in response to: WillWagner
Re: SABSA Model Layers

I have to agree with Will about the importance of the top 3 layers. The common thread among all of these posts is the essential nature of the business, architectural, and designer's views. It would seem that we all place a great deal of value in those that would be labeled or considered as creators or visionaries. I would be interested in seeing a response from someone who finds a level of importance in the lower 3 layers.

AndreMunford   16 posts since
Sep 29, 2009
22. Oct 14, 2009 7:15 AM in response to: Ralph DeFrangesco
Re: SABSA Model Layers

I think the Business View is the most important layer in the SABSA model because it lays the foundation of how everything will be constructed. All of the layers work hand in hand with each other but like a building a building, it needs a foundation to give it stability so your security plan has to have stability so the business view gives stability to your security plan.

AndreMunford   16 posts since
Sep 29, 2009
23. Oct 14, 2009 7:19 AM in response to: WillWagner
Re: SABSA Model Layers

In response to Will's post, the question was posted on which layer is the most important layer & why. Everyone picked the layer they felt was important to them. Every layer is important because each layer works together but everything needs a foundation & the most important layer is business layer but that's my opinion but someone may differ than me.

IanGreen   15 posts since
Sep 24, 2009
24. Oct 14, 2009 1:48 PM in response to: JackieClayton
Re: SABSA Model Layers

Jackie, I see what you're saying about the architect view, but if the idea (or in this case the building) never gets to the architect, then there is nothing to invision.  So you need the business view to get the ball to the architect's court, wouldn't you agree?

IanGreen   15 posts since
Sep 24, 2009
25. Oct 14, 2009 1:58 PM in response to: MarcKuntz
Re: SABSA Model Layers

I see your point and somewhat agree with you.  But I thing the designer's view is more like the bridge that brings everything together.  Like many people have said in the thread, this is a top down model.

JasonT.Zane   16 posts since
Sep 24, 2009
26. Dec 8, 2009 12:32 AM in response to: Ralph DeFrangesco
Re: SABSA Model Layers

Doing a little additional research online I found a different model of the SABSA model in which the "operational security architecture" is placed vertically through the first six steps.  SABSA's explanation for this is that Operational Security arises (or has "meaning" as SABSA states) through each part of the six steps.  Originally I was hard pressed to pick one specific layer as "most important" but if Operational Security has a hand in every single layer of the model than I would have to say that this is the single most important part of the six layers.  After all, if you get that layer wrong, the rest will be wrong as well.

JasonT.Zane   16 posts since
Sep 24, 2009
27. Dec 8, 2009 2:16 AM in response to: AndreMunford
Re: SABSA Model Layers

The Business View is the first layer so I agree that it's the foundation Andre but there isn't much else to your comment.  Starting the process out right absolutely important, but I don't think it's any more important than continuing that success onto the next layer.  I'm not trying to argue that you're wrong, but I think some more justification is needed to validate your point in an effective manner.

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