Internal Changes Are Needed to Prevent Visa Misuse, Infosys Admitted

Don Tennant

Before it became public knowledge that Infosys employee Jay Palmer had submitted a whistleblower complaint alleging visa and tax fraud, Infosys corporate counsel Jeffrey Friedel acknowledged internally that the complaint warranted corporate action and compelled Infosys' management to make changes to prevent misuse of the B-1 visa program. That acknowledgement begs the question of why, in the wake of Palmer's testimony to a Senate subcommittee last week, Infosys has publicly branded Palmer as a liar.

 

On Dec. 8, more than two months before the allegations against Infosys became public when Palmer filed his lawsuit against the company, Friedel sent an email addressed to Palmer and to a second whistleblower who worked in Infosys' HR department, and who, unlike Palmer, has since left the company. Here is the full text of that email:

I wanted to give you a brief update on the progress of the corporate action taken in response to the investigation of your complaints regarding B-1 visa ("BV") compliance issues. The issues that you reported to us have made it clear to management that certain changes need to be made to our systems and processes to prevent the misuse of the BV program. To that end, we have identified the following solutions for immediate action:

 

Solutions:

1. Clarify the range of activities permissible on BV (outside counsel have provided an exhaustive list of all acceptable activities as per the law)

2. Modify iTravel -- Employees and approvers to certify the all [sic] activities they will perform at onsite on BV.

3. Modify DART [Daily Activity Report Tracking] to create linkage to activities certified in iTravel.


4. Employees to submit DART mandatorily onsite and select from the activities certified

5. Modify ORF [Overseas Return Form] to not allow submission till DARTs are submitted for the onsite duration

6. Create online training plan and communiques to improve awareness on BV travels

7. Provide for regular random audits of BVs to ensure ongoing compliance

 

I appreciate your help in bringing these matters to our attention. Obviously there are still other aspects of this that are ongoing (i.e. discipline for those that are found to have violated company policy/law; Jay's desire to change groups etc.) and this e-mail is not meant [to] suggest that this investigation or action is complete. However, I thought that it was important for you to understand the corporate action that has been agreed as a result of your bringing these issues to the attention of the company.

Now, fast-forward to last week, when, at the request of the office of Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), Palmer detailed his allegations against Infosys in testimony submitted to a Senate sub-committee hearing on immigration reform (see "Infosys Whistleblower Provides Hard-hitting Testimony to Senate Hearing"). You'd certainly never know from Infosys' public response to that testimony that internally, Palmer's revelations had driven the company to make the changes necessary to prevent the B-1 misuse, and to express its appreciation to Palmer and the other whistleblower for bringing the matters to the company's attention. Instead, Paul Gottsegen, Infosys' chief marketing officer, issued a statement claiming that Palmer's testimony was "full of inaccuracies, exaggerations and falsehoods," and that Palmer "is obviously intent on spreading his falsehoods about Infosys and our business practices as broadly as possible in order to advance his objective of getting as big of a payout as he can from the Company" (Gottsegen's full statement can be found in my post, "Internal Infosys Document Eyes Wiggle Room' Around Visa Rules").

 

Bear in mind that it is those very business practices that Infosys' corporate counsel acknowledged the need to change in order to prevent the misuse of the B-1 visa program. So calling Palmer a liar now that it's all out in the open seems to me to be an extremely ill-advised and shortsighted strategy.

 

My sense is that sort of thing doesn't go over too well in Alabama, where Palmer and his attorney, Kenny Mendelsohn, live. You don't call someone a liar down there unless you can back it up. Mendelsohn has been sitting on that email from Friedel for months. It's just one document in a stack of evidence that, as he put it the first time I spoke with him back in March, "a show dog can't jump over." He said he was releasing it to me to demonstrate that Palmer can back up everything he wrote in his testimony to that Senate sub-committee.

 

Mendelsohn also had a response to Gottsegen's statement that Palmer's objective is to get as big a payout as he can from Infosys. He said Palmer was offended by that, and he intends to prove his truthfulness. The best way to do that, he said, is a public trial. So he doesn't want a settlement.

 

Mendelsohn said Palmer is prepared to testify under oath. It appears Gottsegen had better be prepared to do the same thing. "At the appropriate time," Mendelsohn told me, "I intend to take Mr. Gottsegen's deposition to find out what evidence he has to accuse Jay of telling lies or falsehoods.'"

 

Infosys should have thought this one through.



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Aug 1, 2011 1:15 AM who knows who knows  says: in response to Don Tennant

Don, thanks for the response. But if at all they want to settle out of court, how could one settle out of court when the case is purely on fraudulent activity affects/involve Federal Agencies and Citizens.

If I raise fraudulent activity of my company which involves federal agencies how could I can claim anything on it other than legal prosecution and play my role of witness as long as it is not affected me directly (pay reduce, promotion denied, discrimination etc).

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Aug 1, 2011 1:51 AM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to who knows

Palmer's civil case is not just about fraudulent activity-it's about the impact the fraudulent activity has had on Palmer, and the way he has been treated by Infosys after he filed the Whistleblower complaint. Remember that there is a separate criminal investigation being conducted by the U.S. government. That investigation is focusing on the alleged fraudulent activity itself.

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Aug 1, 2011 4:08 AM R. Lawson R. Lawson  says: in response to Don Tennant

Thanks for staying current on this Don. 

Do you know if the separate criminal investigation impacted Infosys' willingness to settle the civil case?  Are they (to your knowledge) concerned that settling the civil case would impact possible future criminal charges?

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Aug 1, 2011 4:58 AM VK VK  says: in response to Pro

it may not bring any harm to you while working with B1 visa employees. However B1 visas are stictly issued for business purposes like attending meetings, conferences and client meeting. They are not supposed to work just like full time normal employees. They L1 visa to do that or H1 visas. If they are not doing that then its illegal and against the law.

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Aug 1, 2011 5:09 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to VK

From what I understand, even L1 visa holders are not allowed to do regular work. They can only work on proprietary product related work. For example, an L1 workign for Microsoft can work on improving the MS office application but not let's say use MS Excel for doing some accounting related spreadsheets.

Folks, please chime in with opinions regarding this.

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Aug 1, 2011 5:37 AM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to R. Lawson

I have no information on Infosys' willingness to settle or what their concerns are, Roy. All I know is that they want Palmer's case to go to arbitration, not to a trial where the proceedings would be open for all to see.

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Aug 1, 2011 5:39 AM Wakjob Wakjob  says:

One has to really love Indian griftology. These people are so stoopid that they do not even know how to play their own racket properly. At best they are 3rd-rate petty criminals who can't even think or plan out a heist properly.

It kind of reminds me of the time that criminal Indian manager at Adobe, Anil Bhavnani, threw 500 (white) Americans out of Adobe in a layoff but not 1 single guest worker from another country got laid off. After I was laid off, they called me up and said "Will you come back and work for 1 week only to TRAIN your replacement"? Of course my "replacement" was some faker from India who had never seen a lightswitch let alone wrote software. If I am so stoopid and they are so brilliant, then why did they ask me to come back and TRAIN my replacement from India.

When I got home, I sent Mr. Bhavnani an email telling him he was a moron: if he was going to play the Indian griftology racket, then at least learn how to play it properly: you're supposed to transfer the SKILLS of American workers to the non-lightswitchers BEFORE you lay the Americans off, not AFTER! I understand he's now working for WIPRO.

BWAHAHAHA!!!! These people are SO stoopid that they don't even plan their own crimes very well.

That is why IdfoSys is trying to divert attention away from themselves and claim Plamer is just trying to shake IndoSys down. They can only think in terms of how to scam $ and they project that mentality onto everything and everyone else.

But clearly this time, they've screwed up and shown their hand before they even made that allegation.

India's best and brightest at work in the US......

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Aug 1, 2011 5:56 AM BT1024 BT1024  says: in response to SealTeam6

SealTeam6,

Here's a link to my follow-up post (some interesting info), regarding your previous post about the University of Northern Virginia (over in the "Internal Infosys Document Eyes Wiggle Room' Around Visa Rules" blog entry):

www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/tennant/internal-infosys-document-eyes-wiggle-room-around-visa-rules/?cs=48052#comment-50107

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Aug 1, 2011 6:03 AM BT1024 BT1024  says: in response to BT1024

For some reason my "Comment 50107" entry posted as an invalid link -

Here's the Link I intended:

www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/tennant/internal-infosys-document-eyes-wiggle-room-around-visa-rules/?cs=48052#comment-50107

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Aug 1, 2011 6:22 AM BT1024 BT1024  says: in response to BT1024

SealTeam6,

I posted another bit of info (in the other blog post), from the Chronicle, that you may want to check out.

Here's the link to my ITBus Edge comment (Chronicle audio article: "For Sale at Some Colleges: Jobs in the U.S."):

www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/tennant/internal-infosys-document-eyes-wiggle-room-around-visa-rules/?cs=48052#comment-50111

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Aug 1, 2011 6:47 AM weaver weaver  says: in response to Don Tennant
Aug 1, 2011 9:10 AM BlackAmerican BlackAmerican  says: in response to Wakjob

One has to really love Indian griftology.These people are so stoopid that they do not even know how to play their own racket properly.At best they are 3rd-rate petty criminals who can't even think or plan out a heist properly.

     You seem to be high tech criminal who got fired and hiding under fake name boldly commenting about others.Agreed you are so smart who has no back bone to standup when there is issue but kept quite and now running racial comment job across all forum and blogs.

     

     

It kind of reminds me of the time that criminal Indian manager at Adobe, Anil Bhavnani, threw 500 (white) Americans out of Adobe in a layoff but not 1 single guest worker from another country got laid off.After I was laid off, they called me up and said "Will you come back and work for 1 week only to TRAIN your replacement"?Of course my "replacement" was some faker from India who had never seen a lightswitch let alone wrote software.If I am so stoopid and they are so brilliant, then why did they ask me to come back and TRAIN my replacement from India.

 Said criminal manager has Patent on his name, what you got on your name ?You are so mad because he fired White Americans...no problem if at all he fired any Black Americans (because you guys make sure not even single Black Americans get hired right!!!).What you give is what you get...idiot...you guys (White Americans) played great role in not hiring Black Americans in IT positions(even the least possible position) and when you guys got same treatment from a person from 3rd world country(really!!!a person from 3rd world country can fire you ....shameless guys...you should have commited suicide).

 

 Person who never seen a lightswitch let alone wrote software can replace you means think what kind of job and credibility you have.May be you where worth doing just janitorial services.May be they where not done with humiliating you and wanted to show more of your own racial taste by calling you again...which you really missed.

When I got home, I sent Mr.Bhavnani an email telling him he was a moron:if he was going to play the Indian griftology racket, then at least learn how to play it properly:you're supposed to transfer the SKILLS of American workers to the non-lightswitchers BEFORE you lay the Americans off, not AFTER!I understand he's now working for WIPRO.

     After reading your email Mr.Bhavnani would have laughed from his A**, what a jerk this guys ....

     

     You are right, they where learning how to play the racial card without Black Americans or Fed knows are trace it.For sure White Americans are clever in racial profiling.Great example is how you guys treat your own President, every White American working hard for his failure and even ready to bankrupt the country just to makesure he fails.

     

     And smartest idiot of White Americans world...he is not working for WIPRO...learn to use Google after your Janitorial job.

BWAHAHAHA!!!!These people are SO stoopid that they don't even plan their own crimes very well.

     Now they learned how to play crimes from your White Americans and will make sure next time you won't even get job in IT (the way you guys did for Black American)

That is why IdfoSys is trying to divert attention away from themselves and claim Plamer is just trying to shake IndoSys down. Reply

Aug 1, 2011 9:10 AM BlackAmerican BlackAmerican  says: in response to Wakjob
They can only think in terms of how to scam $ and they project that mentality onto everything and everyone else.

     Palmer is one smart White American making sure to get rich faster but he is as always like other White American Idiots will fail misserabily.

     

But clearly this time, they've screwed up and shown their hand before they even made that allegation.

     Don't hurry up in passing the judgement yet...White Americans will fail misserability without doubt..but time will make sure they don't get up that easiliy.

     

India's best and brightest at work in the US......

     Yep you are right...but they are following same White Americans style of killing a race.

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Aug 1, 2011 9:16 AM George George  says: in response to Wakjob

Wakjob, please don't generalize. There are plenty of foreigners who are here through legitimate means. Your low level steriotypical insults only alienate them.

>>BWAHAHAHA!!!! These people are SO stoopid that they don't even plan their own crimes very well.

Which one are you referring to? WorldCom? Arthur Andersen?American Airlines? Enron accounting fraud involving Arthur Andersen? Halliburton overcharging government contracts? Lockheed bribery scandal in Germany, Japan, and Netherlands? Fannie Mae underreporting of profit??? just to name a few.

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Aug 1, 2011 9:23 AM who knows who knows  says: in response to George

George it is very simple to understand from his comments...according to him every single organization which used even a single non-american.

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Aug 1, 2011 9:26 AM Gerge Gerge  says: in response to BlackAmerican

BlackAmerican, In my building where there are around 150 to 200 IT workers and management, there isn't a single black american. No, not even one. But from my experience, wakjob is just an exception of low balling who probably lost his job and wasn't good enough to get rehired somewhere else and has a serious gripe, probably a valid one. Most of the discussions on this matter are otherwise valid and the allegations against body shops is very much true and hopefully this investigation will bring them all out.

The fact of the matter is that there are plenty of IT jobs out there and if any one is really talented, they can easily get those jobs. I would really like to examine anyone (more specifically wakjob - as the name in itself implies) over who says that it's hard for them to get an IT job. Go to any job website - monster, jobs indeed, dice, careerbuilder etc and you will find a ton of IT related jobs in various fields in almost every area where there is a business district.

I would think that the fact that it is hard to get IT jobs even when there are plenty of them should be a wake up call for people to keep themselves updated with continuous learning. I remember in one of the departments I came to around two years ago, the IT team was stagnant since ~2000 avoiding change and leading to deplorable levels of inefficiency and fluff. The moment that the new hires came, the old lot was slowly replaced so that the technology infrastructure could be overhauled. 

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Aug 1, 2011 9:32 AM who knows who knows  says: in response to Gerge

I would like to disagree on one thing (from my experience)...in the company I work there are fair number of black Americans. And the project I work on there are 3 black Americans in a team of 8.

BlackAmerican is like wakjob who never try to learn new technologies which market needs and put reasonable effort to find one.

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Aug 1, 2011 9:52 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to BlackAmerican

Anyone can get a patent for something...Yawnnnnn :P

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Aug 1, 2011 9:54 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to George

All these pale in comparison to 2G scam, commonwealth games......

For heaven's sake, an ordinary Indian citizen cannot expect to have a day without worrying someone may rob them :P

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Aug 1, 2011 10:03 AM BlackAmerican BlackAmerican  says: in response to hireamerica

Another dump White with no job...

I guess you also got fired for your poor job...

I guess you did not tried to find the patent and what it is about...that is how White Idiot react when he is mad at other race.

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Aug 1, 2011 10:10 AM BlackAmerican BlackAmerican  says: in response to hireamerica

First fix your countries color system(another form of Caste system) before you ranting about other countries.

If you even had job then you will be worrying about your government actions.

Here we have $14Trillion defcit and not able to fix it or reduce it. Before everyone got sold out by White americans...support your Black President  (oh!!! no way White americans can tolerate him...man he is black...)

Your racial party (R) working hard to fail US President and they are not ready to increase a penny for rich but ready to slash everything poor got...guess what most poor are Blacks and they are the most unemployed.

Stop racial profiling in IT jobs before you cry for racial profiling by other country people.

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Aug 1, 2011 10:13 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says:

Interesting. This is an official admission that Infosys knew "something was rotten" in their visa process.  What they didn't know was that Palmer was going to call their bluff that they actually going to follow through on their "solutions for immediate action". Infosys' problem is that they believe their own press that they are too big to be affected by this ( as is echoed by the sentiments expressed here by their supporters)

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Aug 1, 2011 10:17 AM BlackAmerican BlackAmerican  says: in response to BlackAmerican

Black American is the most affected race in this mess created by financial/housing bubble.

Blacks face heavy competition in low labor market from Hispanics and discrimination in middle and higher labor market. All higher level postions are filled by Whites and they make sure they hire Whites or just out source it.

There is no hope for Blacks to live in this country despite of a Black in White house. All whites in congress will make sure he does nothing to Blacks in US and they will make sure he fails in every steps he takes.

These White idiots cry all over the internet as if they are struggling and never speak for Blacks (why would they!!! when they wanted Blacks as slaves and as slaves only)

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Aug 1, 2011 10:21 AM BlackAmerican BlackAmerican  says: in response to who knows

How about you share your company details so that all Blacks can apply....

Just because no one can validate your statement you can post anything you wish.

Would you provide the % of blacks in your company who is doing real IT job? I am sure you won't and if at all you provide it will be 100% lie just to prove your point.

Go and keep kicking those Whites out of your company and get filled with your own people...one way you guys do what we couldn't...

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Aug 1, 2011 10:26 AM Chamat Chamat  says:

If i were to write on this, I would have mentioned in one article everything unlike Don who is putting 'almost same' info daily with different titles. any specific reason anyone can guess?

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Aug 1, 2011 10:28 AM BlackAmerican BlackAmerican  says: in response to R. Lawson

Does this Don has any report on discrimination on Blacks in IT ? for sure he has nothing.

When do White Americans blow whistle for discrimination on Black Americans in IT ?

When Don is going to stay current on Black Americans ?

Oh...he is also another White(from different country of origin though)....why would he spend time for Black Americans who is of no benefit to him.

Every Internet blogs are filled with White Americans crying for another White and thinks Black Americans are 2nd class citizens and has no rights.

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Aug 1, 2011 10:32 AM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says: in response to Wakjob

Wakjob you are a "Wakjob".

Superficial skin tone has nothing to do (and has no place) in this (or any other) debate.

Your commentary is sick and you need to grow a conscience.

I am going to take the comments of others against you as a knee-jerk reaction, although some are rife also with bigotry as well, which I do take exception to.

So if any of you or any other bigots want to take me on, go ahead and try.

Cause a lot of people, of dark tone and light tone (and any skin tone there we have been blessed with), have been killed for the sake of our freedom and I'll not have a bunch of sick jerks (who have no respect for their sacrifice) go unchallenged.

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Aug 1, 2011 10:34 AM Pro Pro  says: in response to Chamat

Is it illegal to work with anyone on B1? I have people in my project team change every 3 months and I think they are on B1 as they say they have to go back every 3 or 4 months (at times I have overheard them saying its B visa) and they might come back later in a year. I am a mid-level programmer and am not involved in any decision making.

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Aug 1, 2011 10:41 AM jake_leone jake_leone  says:

Well the line has been drawn.  InfoSys has publicly called Jay a liar.  Jay has released evidence that he is not.  Jay has said he is willing to have a jury trial, doesn't want a settlement.

In terms of dollars, Jay would (probably) do best under a settlement.  Obviously this situation is very politically damaging to InfoSys.  And damaging to Nascom's and Bill Gates desire to replace every U.S. tech worker with a person on a visa, ie "Unlimited Visas".  To that end, it's interesting to speculate on how much monetary pressure there is on InfoSys to settle, 10 million? 20 million? after all billions are at stake. 

And for Jay, what's your permanent reputation worth, if you love your work and want to continue in the field?

On the other hand going through a court trial, in the U.S., would mean that the court can subpoena just about everything.  InfoSys is a business, this is a civil case, so a lot (I MEAN A LOT) of information that would normally be kept under wraps will be exposed, publicly.  Does InfoSys want this?  L.O.L. 

A court trial, probably won't get a big dollar decision.  (unless InfoSys continues to shoot its mouth off).  So there's not monetary reason, for Jay, to go to trial.  InfoSys need to stop scoffing (at the law), and get serious, they have acted badly and invited the duel.

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Aug 1, 2011 10:45 AM Hireamerica Hireamerica  says: in response to BlackAmerican

And what makes you think I need to work :P. Let's just say I invested in India, and all the H1bs are working like dogs and investing in real estate in India sending the value of my investments through the roof :P

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Aug 1, 2011 10:55 AM Dolores Dolores  says: in response to Pro

Your suspicions may be correct. Here is the contact info for reporting this.

When you come across any immigration Frauds

  1. Contact the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ice.gov) by telephone at (866) DHS-2-ICE. The hotline is designed specifically to accept immigration violation reports. You can complain anonymously.

Fraud Detection and National Security (FDNS) Directorate

111 Massachusetts Ave., NW Suite 7002,

Mail Stop 2280 Washington,

D.C. 20529-2280

FDNS@dhs.gov

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Aug 1, 2011 11:00 AM R. Lawson R. Lawson  says:

When a company knowingly lies about a person, the word for that is 'libel'.  Their characterization of Palmer just increased the damages they have caused him.  After that, it makes sense that Jay not settle.

Jay's reputation is on the line and he will fight for it in court.  Settling, which I thought made sense prior to Infosys' name calling, makes less sense now.

@jake_leone: "In terms of dollars, Jay would (probably) do best under a settlement.  "

I don't know about that.  If they were going to offer a reasonable settlement this issue, at least as far as the civil case is concerned, would probably be closed by now.  My guess is that Infosys is worried that settling with Jay could impact a potential criminal case against them. 

Would a court trial be decided by a judge or jury?  I a jury, I think he has the potential of getting a very substantial punitive damage award.  An American jury, at this point in time given the job situation, would probably be inclined to punish Infosys more severely.

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Aug 1, 2011 11:04 AM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says: in response to BlackAmerican

There have been some studies done about ethnic participation.  I believe it found that Hispanic and Black participation had fallen this last decade.  White had remained stable.  Asian (including from India) had risen.  But I could be wrong.

Just do a search for it.

I don't like you sick and bigotted comment about Don, its just B.S. frankly.

Frankly no one is just another "White" person, anymore than anyone is just another "Black" person.  We all have soul, feeling, and conscious.  (well most of us have conscience, not sure about wakjob).

I welcome, embrace, and love the great variety of people in the U.S. and I just don't classify people by stupid archaic classifications. 

Once a colleague and friend of mine (who was here on any H-1b, and recently became a citizen), said to me that "As a black man, it is not easy for me.".  He was from India.  I never thought of him, ever, as Black?  Although his skin tone was dark.  I always though of him as kind of like one my brother (cause his face looked a lot like one of my brother) and that's it.

Obviously Raj was more sensitive and concerned.  And hey, you know there could safety reasons for this, because there are Nazi types out there who will commit hate crimes.

I am really color-blind, and happy for it.

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Aug 1, 2011 11:07 AM who knows who knows  says: in response to BlackAmerican

I am not ready to share my company details with any stranger and forums/blogs.

It is not to validate and make some point...it is just the information I wanted to share and has nothing to prove any point here..

I don't think anyone by HR who will have all details on employees count and their respective race and since you already made up your mind there is no reason to provide such details if at all I have one.

No one can kick anyone here...it is upto the respective company to whom they want to hire (within legal framework)...

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Aug 1, 2011 11:09 AM Tammy Tammy  says: in response to SealTeam6

How many more months is the case going to drag on in the US courts ?

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Aug 1, 2011 11:10 AM R. Lawson R. Lawson  says:

Don, has the other whistle-blower decided to talk to the media or seek damages, or does that person wish to maintain a low profile?

As to your point about being called a liar in Alabama - I have lived in L.A. (Lower Alabama) several times throughout my life.  My father lives in Northern Alabama currently.  'Liar' is a very strong word in the south and in many places a man's reputation is everything. 

Also southerners have lost manufacturing jobs to foreign companies.  Even if that has nothing to do with this case, they will certainly be biased towards a foreign body shop with a primary business of sending jobs to India.  They might as well be the Taliban to this jury.

Infosys probably doesn't understand southern culture.  If this goes to trial, they will find out.  I'm really surprised they haven't settled.  Jay's attorney was very smart not to arbitrate this.

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Aug 1, 2011 11:13 AM who knows who knows  says:

Don, I would request you to remove comments which don't go along with the core issues.

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Aug 1, 2011 11:23 AM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to who knows

That's a pretty slippery slope. Around here, deleting reader comments is kind of a last resort, because we want readers to have their say. The nonsense is easily identifiable. I suggest you just skip over it.

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Aug 1, 2011 11:28 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to Tammy

How long will this drag on ? Anybody's guess. Infosys is dumb, but I have to guess they are going to string this along as long as they can so as to financially and otherwise disrupt Palmer's life. He is the prime witness and while I am not expert on this case will be driven once it gets into the court system, I would say that he staying involved with the process will be very important. Maybe Don or somebody else can shed more light on that.

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Aug 1, 2011 11:33 AM George George  says:

I'm an H1B indian working in the US. Please differentiate between companies that truly innovate and provide high end services against cheap body shops like Infosys, Wipro, TCS and CTS. What infosys does is common knowledge and no one worth their salt wants to ever join these companies. It is good that this type of fraud is out in the open and I hope Palmer wins this one and the USCIS goes down heavy on body shops.

However, if you think that companies like Microsoft, Yahoo et al are only looking at cheap labor from foreign workers, you are dead wrong. There is a real shortage of hi-end tech workers. H1Bs in these companies fill this gap and are paid hefty salaries. You can criticize those who misuse it..but get irrational and generalize. The minimum pay they get is out in the open so any one can check and validate by spending a few minutes doing simple search (it's so simple that you don't need an H1B for that).

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Aug 1, 2011 11:45 AM Dolores Dolores  says: in response to George

No one ever denied that a FEW H-1Bs are high-end (and compensated well).  But there's no way we need a yearly cap in the tens of thousands to bring in such rare gems of hard-to-find talent. Government records show that most H-1Bs are paid at the low end. You (George) are rare and an exception to the rule. Back when the American economy was roaringly profitable and America was the undisputed leader in technology, American companies hired Americans with potential, gave them training, and allowed their careers to progress over time. All of that is in the past now. Maybe we should go back to that system. I'm just saying.

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Aug 1, 2011 11:47 AM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to R. Lawson

The other whistleblower is keeping a low profile and does not want to go public. I will say that that person worked in HR at Infosys and has a background in immigration issues.

On the arbitration matter, Infosys several months ago filed a motion to compel arbitration, and Mendelsohn filed a motion against that. That decision is in the hands of a federal judge in Alabama, and has yet to be made. My understanding is that if the case does go to trial, it will be a jury trial that will be heard by that same federal judge.

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Aug 1, 2011 12:14 PM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to Don Tennant

Is the other whistleblower of Indian descent? If so, wanting to be low profile is understandable since many worry what would happen to their extended families in india.

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Aug 1, 2011 12:33 PM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says: in response to George

In the most recent Congressional testimony, Ron Hira was asked about H-1b usage at top U.S. tech companies.  He didn't have enough direct information, but he suggested it is likely Microsoft, Cisco, Intel and other U.S. tech companies use 3rd party companies (large and small) and so are in fact dependent on the visa system for their lower skilled workers.

Also, Microsoft was asked, by Congress, during a layoff a few years agos, to detail the content of the layoff (how many people on Visa, GC, or U.S. citizen) were going to be laid off.

They refused to say.

What happens is that Microsoft needs (low-level) people on visa to fascilitate the transferral of project overseas.

Microsoft games the system, the problem is that we (the U.S.) is an economic crisis and we need information on how the visas are being used in order to make better decisions on how to administrate the program.  If Microsoft wasn't such a company of traitors they might actually try to help the country that is protecting them. 

Microsoft is a disgrace.

They didn't want to divulge the layoff information because it would shed light on how Microsoft (ab)uses the visa system in order to remove jobs from the United States.

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Aug 1, 2011 12:40 PM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to hireamerica

No.

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Aug 1, 2011 12:44 PM Sir m00ng Sir m00ng  says: in response to Dolores

Pity it took so long to expose the fragile business model these companies had made.

Back home in India, these companies have literally Ruined Science and Technology and Research businesses because scrubbing 20 year old American code, people get paid more than doing cutting edge work. The lobbies of these companies are very poweful and control even government policy on technology business altogether to suit their 12$-18$ per hour offshore business model.

The Amount of loss to Indian Economy due to these body shops is phenomenal and incalculable.

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Aug 1, 2011 12:47 PM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says:

My understanding is that report is accurate. I don't think that having been open to a settlement means that there's a specific amount of money that you intend to receive. It just means you're willing to resolve the matter that way. But I can tell you that Palmer has wanted to have the case tried in open court and heard by a jury since the day he filed it.

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Aug 2, 2011 1:05 AM R. Lawson R. Lawson  says: in response to BlackAmerican

@BlackAmerican:"Does this Don has any report on discrimination on Blacks in IT ? for sure he has nothing."

Don has reported extensively on the low representation of black, Hispanic, and female IT workers.

For someone complaining about discrimination, you have been very adept at stereotyping and lobbing some rather racist comments.  Based on your use of the English language in your writing, I suspect that you are not African American and in fact are race-baiting.  All the African American people I know have far superior grammar skills.

"Every Internet blogs are filled with White Americans crying for another White and thinks Black Americans are 2nd class citizens and has no rights."

Find one blog entry by anyone in this forum supporting that statement.  You won't.  Better yet, find a blog entry by EACH of us as you claim EVERY blog is filled with an attitude that "black Americans are second class citizens". 

You're posts make me angry because you are obviously race baiting.

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Aug 2, 2011 3:38 AM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says: in response to Dolores

Thanks Dolores. 

Too bad Microsoft.com is a sham, but I have sensed this for years. 

Bitterly ironic to see it confirmed.

I guess when Microsoft says it wants unlimited Visas, it wants them for their "Preferred Vendors", it's amazing how the tail-wags-the-dog.

Any significance to Microsoft sending their legal counsel to the last Congressional hearing? 

Could it be that Microsoft execs don't want to risk jail-time?

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Aug 2, 2011 3:39 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to Dolores

It's a common practice in the outsourcing industry to consider resumes from preferred vendors only, who will present resumes of only H1bs.

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Aug 2, 2011 5:47 AM BT1024 BT1024  says:

In case some of you missed the news - Infosys lost its' Age-Discrimination case...

Here's the news from CIS -

"Infosys, Big H-1B User, Loses Case but Wins Secrecy" (8/1/2011):

www.cis.org/north/Infosys-loses-case-wins-secrecy

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Aug 2, 2011 6:53 AM George George  says: in response to who knows

Sara, my apologies. I shouldn't have generalized either. My experience is just an exception. Apart from that, I'm in an area where there aren't too many blacks so that could explain it. It was different when I was in New York.

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Aug 2, 2011 7:07 AM George George  says: in response to Jake_Leone

>>Microsoft games the system, the problem is that we (the U.S.) is an >>economic crisis and we need information on how the visas are being used in >>order to make better decisions on how to administrate the program.  If >>Microsoft wasn't such a company of traitors they might actually try to help >>the country that is protecting them.

>>

>>Microsoft is a disgrace.

Jake, I heard some part of what you mentioned a few years ago and I will have to check the details to confirm them.

However you need to understand one thing. The number of Americans laid off in say Microsoft vs the no. of foreign workers laid of in Microsoft is independent of the work requirement because the requirement for IT skills and experience differ from team to team. When people bring these types of points, I suspect they do not know much about how the business of technology works and look at it in a simplistic fashion.

For eg,

Scenario 1: if Microsoft needs people to develop a particular product, Microsoft may have a team with a few non-American workers with the right skills that are part of it and have experience in that cycle. They would have been hired when Microsoft was unable to find someone in the local market. In that event, Microsoft would never want to let go of them.

However if Microsoft had to cut back on a less demanding RnD team, they would cut back American workers and wouldn't have a second thought in giving the pink slip to a foreign worker from that team either because at the end of the day, American workers and Foreign workers in legit (yes, legit and ethical) companies like Microsoft are paid the same with foriegn hires sometimes earning a lot more.

To add to it, you will discover many senior technologists in companies like Microsoft are generally foreigners. So considering the current political climate where simplists would just look at two numbers and make a decision without understanding any context, I think it was wise for Microsoft to not have provided any such information when it has no such obligation to. However you would have known that if you worked in core technical IT with some experience in business (atleast interviewing and hiring team members). My two cents.

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Aug 2, 2011 7:10 AM George George  says: in response to hireamerica

>>All these pale in comparison to 2G scam, commonwealth games......

>>For heaven's sake, an ordinary Indian citizen cannot expect to have a day >>without worrying someone may rob them :P

Thanks for letting us know where you stand: "It's okay if we do them". It's your moral types that lecture the rest of the world on how they should live when you have a huge mess in your front lawn.

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Aug 2, 2011 8:32 AM who knows who knows  says: in response to BT1024

I would consider this is super good win for Infosys....

Case is closed with small amount paid to one person and nothing got disclosed to public, I don't think a company like Infosys get to close a case cheaper thank this.

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Aug 2, 2011 8:55 AM Dolores Dolores  says: in response to who knows

Age discrimination cases do not involve small amounts of money. They are the most expensive to lose. If Infosys thought the silence was worthwhile, you bet they had to pay for it.

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Aug 2, 2011 9:00 AM who knows who knows  says: in response to Dolores

Still it is much better than getting all secrets exposed which will have long term damage.

Hope Palmer won't agree for secret deal...

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Aug 2, 2011 9:10 AM V V  says:

Don - I think you are doing the right thing. I am an Indian and have worked across multiple shops doing work with US entities. As an Indian I am proud of what I do, and why I would like to work equally with any person from the world. However at the same time, some of these visa issues make you an inferior person.. person who is getting hated.. person who is doing the wrong thing.. I dont think anyone with a good degree of self believe would like to be in this situation. I will like to be in a situation of pride, pride for what I do and deliver.. and not someone who is sneaking in through the borders..

These practices of B1 visa are infact that.. they are profiting on loopholes.. on grey areas. As someone who has worked across multiple countries and delivered millions of dollars / euros worth value, I feel that these shady practices cannot help anyone.

I think there needs to be an acknowledgement that global teams are there, cross -countries projects exists, they dont require people to travel extensively hence not require multi-year visa..so Govt must provision for them if they want these to sustain. If not, they should be curbed and corporations should do what is legally allowed.

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Aug 2, 2011 9:12 AM BlackAmerican BlackAmerican  says: in response to Jake_Leone

I believe it found that Hispanic and Black participation had fallen this last decade.  White had remained stable.  Asian (including from India) had risen.  But I could be wrong.

- You are absolutly wrong...they are not fallen this last decade, they are made to fallen so far. Guess what even Whites are falling behind because others (all other races except Black and Hispanic) catching up and filling all junior and mid level positions. Still top level positions are held by Whites which will be slowly reduced due to various technology development.

Frankly no one is just another "White" person, anymore than anyone is just another "Black" person.  We all have soul, feeling, and conscious.  (well most of us have conscience, not sure about wakjob).

- Well side..but I see this pattern only at lip service nothing more. If you are 1 in 100 working in a organization you will know how you get treated and accepted by others. I have listened to comments (wakjob is one such example) like "my company is filled with Indians and I feel isolated", those people never realize that is how they treat Black Americans in IT when a company is filled with White. If at all you get any positive feedback because of your hardwork...they will speak in your back..."oh...he got appreciated for such a lousy work..all because of his tone"

I have to doubt every single person before I can validate their intentions and in this internet world it is nothing because you can "I love all race" and start hunting down one or the other race with different profile.

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Aug 2, 2011 9:15 AM BlackAmerican BlackAmerican  says: in response to who knows

Now you are hiding behind HR..policies...legal framework...blah blah...best of luck.

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Aug 2, 2011 9:26 AM BlackAmerican BlackAmerican  says: in response to Don Tennant

I take my words back....I owe you my sincere appology. I am not able to correct they typo's (read it as the instead of this).

I didn't gone through all your blogs...when just gone through your recent ones which all related to Infosys and immigration related stuffs...it got me to think there nothing but work of white for other whites.

I had gone through each of those link and it covered some but not all. I would like to see at least a company (IT) get exposed so that media turns back to "Afr-Am".

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Aug 2, 2011 9:44 AM BlackAmerican BlackAmerican  says: in response to R. Lawson

For someone complaining about discrimination, you have been very adept at stereotyping and lobbing some rather racist comments.  Based on your use of the English language in your writing, I suspect that you are not African American and in fact are race-baiting.  All the African American people I know have far superior grammar skills.

This is the problem...either you decided to answer or decided to pick English skills in comment section...I am not here for your grammar lessons...

Below is the what you claim and what is in reality..

All places I work I don't see any discrimination........but still discrimination based on race is active in IT

I never show any discrimination to anyone.....but still other you everyone shows race discrimination in IT

I never supported discriminations....but still yoau never condemn or expose race discrimination in IT

Find one blog entry by anyone in this forum supporting that statement.  You won't.  Better yet, find a blog entry by EACH of us as you claim EVERY blog is filled with an attitude that "black Americans are second class citizens". 

Just revisit (with open eyes) all the comments in this blog....you may be surprised to learn there are tons of racial discrimination. Simple...if a person decided to pick a race (not only black) those people are holding racial discrimination with them. Here in US people learned hard way (by different cases) how not to put everything in writing but practice it.

You're posts make me angry because you are obviously race baiting.

You got angry because there was a comment other than your own race!!! If you are not a black no way you will understand or learn what is happening in your own organization(in IT). Either you decided to keep shut or decided to act smart by pretending there is no racial discrimination in IT. All you could get from my comment is "race baiting" and still you decided to fall for it ?

Did you ever visited Washington,DC ?...you may want to pay a visitand make sure you go there when congress is in session. And get into the house/senate office building during lunch timethere you can see (when the whole cafeteria got filled with people) what kind of race mix exist in our own capital. Despite of black is majority in DC you will find hardly 4%-5% black working in any of those offices. All interns work there are either white or Hispanic (in their caucus) and black works on low labor categories.  Don't give your crap story of there is no racial profiling exist in ITyou can sell it to other of your own race but not to anyone else.

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Aug 2, 2011 9:55 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to BlackAmerican

Wow ! Looks like Infosys or its sympathizers have released the Kraken now.... the bottom feeding trolls are out in strength. Cartoonish in its baiting tactics.

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Aug 2, 2011 10:12 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to George

Your comment would have some value if you were talking from the other side of the pond. But reality is, you despise America, yet clamour to come here droves :P

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Aug 2, 2011 10:37 AM BT1024 BT1024  says: in response to R. Lawson

Roy,

I concur with and support your comments...  Something seems kind-of odd about the posts/continuous postings coming from "BlackAmerican" - like you noted, it seems like "race baiting".

Hopefully, things will calm down and we can return to the (normal) discussion at hand.

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Aug 2, 2011 11:09 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to who knows

Good for Infosys ? Only you would think a guilty verdict makes the defendant a "winner". The fact is they lost. This opens up the avenue for others who have similar cases of discrimination to have their day in court. Or better yet a class action suit. Legal firms will now come sniffing.

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Aug 2, 2011 11:14 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to BlackAmerican

You need help. A lot of it. And medication. Just a troll. Is this part of the standard ploy to disrupt a thread ? I think Don will rethink his reluctance about deleting comments. Yours get more incoherent by the minute.

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Aug 2, 2011 11:20 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to BlackAmerican

An observation:  it is a very common Indianism to write syntax like "I didn't gone through" . I have seen that construct in other posts by self identified Indians as well as heard it in conversations. I'm going to hazard a guess that "BlackAmerican" is actually an Indian American. That was a huge surprise. Not.

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Aug 2, 2011 11:31 AM Dolores Dolores  says: in response to Jake_Leone

Microsoft's hands are dirtier than it may appear at first glance. Over on HuffPo a Microsoft employee plus another commenter have revealed that the online job application portal Microsoft offers is just for show, that in reality their HR is only allowed to consider resumes from certain preferred vendors, that the candidates these vendors present are mostly H-1Bs, and that hiring "off the street" (not from one of the vendors) is virtually non-existent.

We know that companies like Infosys are in the bodyshopping business. I can remember when contract work was an easier way to get your foot in the door with a company, but that type of work - for Americans - has also dried up. We have already gathered many examples of qualified Americans who have trouble getting interviews, much less jobs. It has seemed like our resumes never get a glance. Perhaps they don't.

The comments here may show up on the second page of comments, depending upon how you set the comment appearance options. I have the web page archived if they disappear. This would be major discrimination against Americans if true. Look for comments by "mashtoe" and "Robert SF"

www.huffingtonpost.com/david-j-skorton/immigration-reform-the-ec_b_914973.html

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Aug 2, 2011 11:35 AM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says: in response to George

Here's my point, and you completely missed it.

Microsoft announced a coming layoff.  Congress asked Microsoft for the number of visa'd workers being layed off versus the number of U.S. citizens being laid off.  Microsoft refused to supply data.

That's it, do you get it now?

Keep in mind that Microsoft was asking for "unlimited" visas, yet at the same time cloaking the way that they were using the visas.  Which could well be that they are using the visa for liason purpose.  And that is gaming the system my friend.

Hey, if Microsoft had clean reasons for not laying off certain visa'd workers in equal proportion to the U.S. citizens.  Then they have nothing to hide, why were they hiding on the one hand, yet asking for a handout with the other!?

Companies don't want to put, on the sworn record, the way that they are using these visas.  They are hiding an aweful truth (see Jay Palmer's testimony), that the visas are being used to remove jobs from the United States.  We, the American people, need to know the truth of whether the number of jobs being removed by our visa programs, is larger than the number of jobs being taken up by people here on a visa.

These companies are afraid of making that information public knowledge.  That is why InfoSys was pushing hard for an arbitrated settlement to Jay Palmer's case.  Well it's too late, Laugh-Out-Loud.

I know recruiters, sometimes naive managers, try to explain the hiring and firing process in terms clean concepts.  But 20 years of actual experience in the industry I have learned that many (not always) times, it simply doesn't work that way.

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Aug 2, 2011 11:43 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to SealTeam6

LOL.....Was it ever a doubt? He is definitely an Indian troll.

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Aug 3, 2011 1:27 AM Madagasper Madagasper  says: in response to Don Tennant

Don,

Kudos to you for keeping at this Infosys story.  The shenanigans of Indians are finally coming to light.  Indians excel at empty talk like the rubbish about how they built Silicon Valley.  I am an Indian myself but the waves of software Indian coolies who came into the US post 1995 we could have done without.  Too bad we have dodos running Washington these days.

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Aug 3, 2011 5:27 AM who knows who knows  says: in response to Madagasper

Hope you came to US before 1995 without any shenanigans....you came to this blog to talk like rubbish about Indians ?

And let everyone know what was your great contribution to US before name calling others.

Better add something useful to the blog (if at all you have) otherwise you will be assumed as one of the coolies (as per your perspective).

Show your standard by stay to the topic (about Infosys) and not raising unnecessary rift.

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Aug 3, 2011 6:03 AM who knows who knows  says:

Nope...makes me wonder why they didn't do payout for Palmer as they did with the Age discrimination case. May be Palmer's payout request is huge for Infosys to handle without disclosing in their earnings report.

There is no reason for Infosys not go for payout and put his case under the rug....unless Palmer decided to go for trail (it seems to be case as of now)

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Aug 3, 2011 8:19 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to Madagasper

Welcome to the club

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Aug 3, 2011 8:51 AM Serious_Stuff Serious_Stuff  says:

Don,

Not to divert the topic of discussion here, but it seems a certain nation is involved in far more serious 'cyber' warfare out there and nobody seems to be paying much attention, until now. Here are couple of links to the stories. Hope we can expect you to blog on this topic. Again, I'm in no way saying that the visa fraud related incidents are to be ignored, but when compared to the below mentioned stories, it seems a visa fraud case is like a petty criminal who stole bread while the cyber criminal is like Bernie Madoff, who robbed more $50 billion.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43998147/ns/technology_and_science-security/

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/news/internet/US-India-hit-by-biggest-ever-cyber-attacks/articleshow/9465101.cms

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Aug 3, 2011 9:41 AM Serious_Stuff Serious_Stuff  says: in response to Serious_Stuff

And another China-related news-worthy article: the rampant plagiarism continues, now with entire stores being copied. E.g.: Apple Stores, IKEA stores, etc.

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904292504576484080863377102.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop

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Aug 3, 2011 9:45 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to who knows

Yup....the good old pre 1995 days when fake resumes were not the norm!!

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Aug 3, 2011 10:09 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to Serious_Stuff

Irrelevant to this topic. China has been a known for a long time to be a cyber threat. The Pentagon recently released a new plan to counter the attacks with a more aggressive stance. The trouble with trans national attacks like this is it crosses political borders and involves all arms of the government to react to it. The Infosys violations are happening withing the US borders.

Given how complicated this case itself is, despite being under the complete jurisdiction of US law, I won't even hazard how convoluted dealing with Chinese cyber attacks coming from outside the US is going to be.

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Aug 3, 2011 10:40 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to Serious_Stuff

Well...that's what happens when we hire non-immigrants for government work. 

There was a time when US museums in Washington DC  were not allowed to sell souveniers made outside the US. Government officials were allowed to fly only US air carriers for business travel. The list goes on....now all those rules are out the window, hence the breach of security is easy to perpetrate.

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Aug 3, 2011 10:41 AM who knows who knows  says:

It may not be 100% correct but (I wish it is right) this is what I came across yesterday....

The nationwide unemployment rate ticked up to 9.2 percent in June, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. At the same time, the unemployment rate for tech professionals dropped to 3.3 percent, from 5.3 percent in January. "That's pretty close to full employment," says Alice Hill, managing director of technology career website Dice.com

Source:

www.businessweek.com/technology/hiring-like-its-1999-08012011.html

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Aug 3, 2011 10:55 AM who knows who knows  says: in response to SealTeam6

I am not sure how could an out of court settlement get them "Guilty verdict". When compare to Palmer case this case easily put under rug with money and nothing got exposed to public. For a company like Infosys money is not a problem...and only you think otherwise

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Aug 3, 2011 11:17 AM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to who knows

You're exactly right. There was no guilty verdict in the age discrimination case -- that CIS post was very poorly written. There was a settlement in the case, which, legally and factually, means neither side won or lost. Perhaps Infosys lost in the court of public opinion because a settlement is almost always seen as a de facto admission of wrongdoing, but it's incorrect to say Infosys lost the case.

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Aug 3, 2011 11:33 AM Dolores Dolores  says: in response to Don Tennant

The case was not thrown out or dismissed. The fact that a settlement happened means that something happened. They do not settle meritless cases.

This also put a price tag on the practice, something the company was not planning on. Since their margins are already stressed, it was not a welcome development for the company. It shows that they fear negative publicity and are willing to pay a certain amount to avoid a possibly bigger hit if the case had gone to trial.

I'm sure that their lawyers told them that age discrimination cases are VERY expensive to lose, in many ways.

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Aug 3, 2011 11:48 AM who knows who knows  says: in response to Dolores

No one says nothing was happened...in any case it is all about what you lose.

I am not sure if you aware or not...Infosys is known for their huge margin (that was the case till last quarterly earnings report) and when they go for trail and get a verdict it will be huge blow and the damage (will get lot of bad publicity, customer loss, sometime good people and eventually money)  will be substantial.

When you lose a customer it is not only loss of current earnings but also future earnings. There could be potential expose of other issues which no one aware of when it gets opened in court. There may be other victims who could have joined after getting chance to see the records. And if you consider all these...from company perspective closing out of court definitely a major gain/success.

Still it says they did something wrong but won't get much needed attention like a full jury verdict. Just think if this case was like Casey Anthony's case...live jury trail...that will be end of everything for Infosys. Instead of losing their head they just lot their nail (money they can earn anyway)..which is the best possible deal they can get.

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Aug 3, 2011 11:58 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to who knows

Bottom line: Nobody pays if they're innocent. Infosys paid. They could easily counter sue, since as you said they have the money. The facts are clear.

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Aug 3, 2011 12:01 PM who knows who knows  says: in response to SealTeam6

I am not expert in law...so, not sure if someone can counter sue and one thing is for sure their lawyers would have put their brain on that area (counter sue)  if at all there is a chance.

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Aug 3, 2011 12:04 PM BT1024 BT1024  says: in response to SealTeam6

SealTeam6,

Good observation - I just Googled the phrase "I didn't gone through" and found it used on a couple known indian sites (Yahoo india and the "lawyersclubindia.com") - it was also used on several other sites by folks that appeared to be from india...

in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101013054813AANXjJK

www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/The-Hindu-Succession-A-Act-2005-21058.asp

Perhaps now, "BlackAmerican" will calm down (and stop the baiting) and things will return to normal - whatever "normal" is/was.

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Aug 4, 2011 2:20 AM Indian_tatti Indian_tatti  says: in response to who knows

Silicon valley was destroyed by Indians only by sending fake resumes and not paying taxes.

Being Indian I know this since have seen Infosys sending B1 employees in My project for 4-5 months.

Get your facts right.

Game is about to be Over now.

Delusion tactics work form 1 decade and not for 1 century.

Now Japan has allowed Indian IT to come over there, pls go to Japan and destroy it with your In competency also.

Japanese are very Racist..

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Aug 7, 2011 4:19 AM Bigblu Bigblu  says: in response to hireamerica

Now only l1 bonded labor is used since they are paid less than u2 and can't transfer visa to other companies.

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