Infosys Wasn't Upfront with Us on Visa Concerns, Customer Says

Don Tennant

A behind-the-scenes account of the concerns of an Infosys customer in the United States, which arose amid revelations of Infosys employees with improper visas working illegally at U.S. client sites, has provided a revealing glimpse into the difficult circumstances faced by companies here that have invested heavily in Infosys, a vendor that is now under criminal investigation by the U.S. government.

 

According to a knowledgeable source who spoke on condition of anonymity, that customer, which we'll call Company X, unexpectedly pulled the plug on a major contract with Infosys. The source said Company X's attorneys had been looking into the visa matter, and that its management had been attempting to clarify the issue with Infosys for several months. What really troubled the company's management, the source said, was that Infosys was not forthcoming about the matter and made no effort to work with the company to address the concerns:

[Company X management] first started talking about how they didn't understand why Infosys didn't come up front, and discuss this with [Company X] right away. Their biggest issue throughout all of this was the concern, why didn't Infosys come forward immediately when they realized this, especially when it hit the papers? When it hit the press, that's when [Company X management] were asking, why aren't they coming forward, why aren't they talking to us about it? It's amazing how, especially after [Company X] expressing their concerns, Infosys didn't bring in their big people, and sit down and say, "Hey, you know, it's an oversight, it wasn't intentional, we'll make sure that we do the right thing, and let's move forward." But they didn't, and that's really what bothers [Company X] the most.

The source said Company X management had approached an Infosys manager on site and asked point blank whether there were any Infosys employees working there illegally. The Infosys manager responded that there were around five individuals working there on inappropriate B-1 visas. That Infosys manager, the source said, was subsequently chastised by an Infosys sales manager working on the Company X account for responding truthfully to the question.

 

The source confirmed that the State Department is investigating Infosys' activities as they relate to Company X, and that it has requested and received a list of Infosys employees on B-1 visas who were working illegally at Company X.

 

I am following the situation at Company X closely, and am hoping to be able to publicly identify the company in the near future.



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Aug 10, 2011 1:03 AM no kidding no kidding  says: in response to no kidding

Looks like all clients of all the businesses give feedback about all the vendors to Don.

Don - frankly - please tell us - did he whisper the feedback in your ear ...

Come on please - please .

I also run a business. I hope Mr G has not spoken to you. Maybe you will start my shakedown also.

May be Mr A, Ms S , Mrs S, Mr H, Mr O, Mr L and Mr E must have also given you the feedback to Mr C.

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Aug 10, 2011 2:46 AM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says: in response to no kidding

Reporters have been protecting their sources with aliases for centuries.

Nothing unusual or even wrong about it.

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Aug 10, 2011 7:30 AM asdas asdas  says:

well atleast we are learning how we all shouid run business. If a business is not supposedly upfront - may be infy does not want that piece of business.

or is it that - Don will dictate how a particular business should work.

From your post it appear that client was more eager to get infy its business than the usual way around.

That also happens. In one of my younger day projects, one US based business was eager to give work to my company by hiding key details and then invoking guarantee clause to extort money. This is nothing news.

I can bet Don on his reputation (after all one commenter has elevated Don to a journalist level also) to do full disclosure now or give a time frame for full disclosure. Let's see.

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Aug 10, 2011 8:35 AM YouKnowHowThisWillEnd YouKnowHowThisWillEnd  says:

Infosys will get the charges dismissed on some technicality or strong arm Palmer to go for an out of the court settlement.

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Aug 10, 2011 8:44 AM Its just one client! Its just one client!  says:

Its just one client! And Don doesn't say whether it is a top10 client or one which has significant business with infosys.

And Don, don't just point your finger at Indian IT services. Companies like Alcatel-Lucent have been abusing B1 for ages.

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Aug 10, 2011 9:02 AM "Coming to Homerica"  says:

Reading all these posts reminds me of the Simpsons episode "Coming to Homerica". Alls well that ends well!

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Aug 10, 2011 9:06 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says:

The net effect of the visa hassles and the declining economy seems to have had a visible effect already




TCS, Infosys, HCL and other Indian IT cos to suffer as angry America wants its jobs back

BANGALORE: Some American corporations are retaining a small, but highly-prized slice of software jobs at home, mindful of the record unemployment levels and the anger among locals who see work being shipped overseas.For Indian software providers such as TCS, Infosys and HCL, such a development - it is not expected to become a mainstream trend - could chip away a fraction of new jobs that could have been offshored to them. In an interview with Bloomberg on Monday, Charlene Begley, chief information technology officer of GE, said his company was rethinking the strategy of outsourcing more than half of its IT work.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/TCS-Infosys-HCL-and-other-Indian-IT-cos-to-suffer-as-angry-America-wants-its-jobs-back/articleshow/9551642.cms

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Aug 10, 2011 9:18 AM Scary Scary  says: in response to no kidding

It is disturbing to see death threats mentioned.  Sadly, I believe the claims are real.

I've heard rumors that families of whistleblowers are frequently threatened in India. Is this the case? 

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Aug 10, 2011 9:32 AM Chamat Chamat  says:

Here we dont know the reason why manager was chastised for answering a simple question. Its quite possible that ignorance of that manager was the real cause.  And as Don already said we will learn more only when we know more about "Company X" till then its all speculation.

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Aug 10, 2011 9:38 AM It's just the first, more clients and outsources to fall It's just the first, more clients and outsources to fall  says: in response to Its just one client!

Infosys is the first to get caught but hardly the only abuser of guest worker visas. The dominos are lined up -  concrete proof and hard evidence exists to show beyond reasonable doubt  that Infosys and many other  offshore outsourcing companies to do to avoid hiring Americans including breaking US laws.  

Once the mainstream media runs with Infosys crime syndicate, I expect US employers embroiled in offshoring US jobs will quickly become patriots waiving the hire USA flag.  The smart ones will do everything possible to stay out of this PR nightmare.   As long as millions of Americans return to work that's all that matters.

Game on.

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Aug 10, 2011 9:44 AM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to It's just the first, more clients and outsources to fall

I agree to a point, but not entirely. It also matters that justice is served. It matters a lot.

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Aug 10, 2011 9:53 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says:

I suppose if one thing might change is the laissez faire attitide in the tech industry that "everyone does it... nudge nudge wink wink". If  the Murdoch "News" empire could be made to quail before the law, I think so can Infosys.

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Aug 10, 2011 10:02 AM Indian_tatti Indian_tatti  says: in response to Chamat

Chamat - You can try but Infosys is done.

I am also an ex-employee who has got H1B fired - his fault , infosys faked his resume and technology for H1B.

Infy threatening to kill me via spam call -- hah aha and u know I have PST saved in My Laptop from 3 years.

Most of them have been emailed to authorities.

Find out who am I.

We will take Infosys to its final bed. REST IN PEACE.

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Aug 10, 2011 10:37 AM game game  says: in response to It's just the first, more clients and outsources to fall

u mean to say millions will get work for 6 weeks (presumably that is the validity of the alleged visa) - were there millions of b1 visa holder ?

millions ? are u sure ? i think their number should not be more than say 500.

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Aug 10, 2011 10:51 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to game

Does not matter..even one B1 is one too many.

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Aug 10, 2011 10:55 AM Pro Pro  says: in response to Indian_tatti

That Infosys manager, the source said, was subsequently chastised by an Infosys sales manager working on the Company X account for responding truthfully to the question.

This is exactly how the companies prompt dishonest behavior, I am sure the visa holders are told to be dishonest as well! I would not be surprised if the manager's family in India is threatened for being honest.

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Aug 10, 2011 11:36 AM game game  says: in response to hireamerica

well, stupid is as stupid does, as goes the american saying

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Aug 10, 2011 11:52 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to game

Very true. Good to know you have finally seen the light!!

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Aug 10, 2011 12:12 PM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to Pro

Absoultely, positively no doubt about it!!!

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Aug 10, 2011 12:44 PM no kidding no kidding  says:

Mr Don's narrative goes like this :

Mr X claims mr y murdered ms Z. We are unwilling to identify X, Y or Z - We will also no identify what Z said about Y or X. But the SUPERCOP DON TENNANT is keeping an eye on Y, Z and A through W also.

Your link for criminal investigation is also misplaced. It points to the attorney's narrative. Looks like you are unable to get any govt agency to agree with your shakedown.

I wonder why Don uses X, Y or Z for the conditions of anonymity . Is that also in some rules. I wish and request Don to please give A thru W also a chance (A thru W are good). Please....

Using X, Y and Z gives a sinister sense and perhaps carry more credibility.

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Aug 11, 2011 1:00 AM And by the way And by the way  says: in response to Don Tennant

Itbusinessedge let any name you wish as long as you don't register with them...and I had to type similar content twice today morning just because for some reason my post was required be audited by you. So I thought you started controlling my comments because I didn't agree with you.

"Is your intent to make it appear that there are a lot of people who share your views?"

And why you didn't asked this question to different moniker posted trash comments about India, Indians and Infosys....oh because they are speaking what you can agree with ? now you see something which is no of your best interest and started questioning these post ?

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Aug 11, 2011 1:09 AM It's just the first, more clients and outsourcers It's just the first, more clients and outsourcers  says: in response to Don Tennant

Couldn't agree with you more. Justice must be served. 

Justice will renew my hope that the United States of America still exists and not sold out to the United States of Microsoft, Infosys, or Nasscom.

And, who knows, maybe good news like this might be just what we need to kick-start our economy.

Here's a  win/win solution for US companies who outsourced American jobs to Infosys to avoid the PR nightmare - and distance themselves from the criminals.

HIRE AMERICAN!

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Aug 11, 2011 1:16 AM Shaktimaan Shaktimaan  says: in response to Don Tennant

"Why are posting with a different anonymous moniker each time? Is your intent to make it appear that there are a lot of people who share your views?"

Dont know from where this is coming. If I am not wrong then again you tried to conclude something with little information you have

Don there are several people here who use same IP and they might or might not share my view.

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Aug 11, 2011 1:18 AM Dolores Dolores  says: in response to And by the way

It seems to be hard for some folks to accept that a company with shiny glassy buildings and rich men in suits at the helm can still be a bag of rot underneath.

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Aug 11, 2011 1:22 AM chutiyadon chutiyadon  says: in response to And by the way

Yes it is so cheap on part of old Don to attack people commenting here. Definitely many of them uses not a true identity. Why is Don attacking them? If you attack him on his stupid sources then they become nutcase.

Don,

Ask your employer itbusinessedge to have a sophisticated system of maintaining mandatory user account, otherwise stay cheap as you are before opening your big mouth.

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Aug 11, 2011 1:30 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to chutiyadon

chutiyadon

Nice. I see the obscenities are coming out. Your true colors...

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Aug 11, 2011 1:36 AM xyz xyz  says:

Is it the same way way when you feel people attacking your integrity if anyone asks you a counter question??

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Aug 11, 2011 1:38 AM xyz xyz  says: in response to SealTeam6

ppl who attack cheaply entire community or culture should not open their mouth for a person.

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Aug 11, 2011 1:40 AM Its just one client! Its just one client!  says: in response to It's just the first, more clients and outsources to fall

So, where is the mainstream media? This will be all over with just a lot of smoke.

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Aug 11, 2011 1:46 AM As per As per  says: in response to xyz

Don...those monikers are different real persons...they are split personality of Don itself.

According to him (Is your intent to make it appear that there are a lot of people who share your views?)

...he keeps commenting about his blog with great appreciations with lot of different monikers to create a view as if whole IT world is with him.....right Don?

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Aug 11, 2011 1:48 AM They need They need  says: in response to chutiyadon

to outsource to have better technology and control in monitoring this blog.

Or they really need great HIGH TECH engineers from US (do they really have such people !!!) to have better blogging system

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Aug 11, 2011 1:54 AM Don't Don't  says: in response to xyz

assume they are different people...it is all Don with different monikers (as per Don...not per my view)

That is how he can create sense to Itbusinessedge that his blog is most visited and mosted commented and get paid more.

And that is how he can ask Infosys for more payout...by showing them."see so many people follow my blog...I can spoil your name a lot"

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Aug 11, 2011 1:56 AM BT1024 BT1024  says:

In other news, Ron Hira was a guest on the Willis Report, on Fox Business news - See Link below. He kind of got "cut off" at the end of his interview, while he had more to say

Anyhow, I emailed the Willis Report (at Fox Bus. news), to suggest that they have Ron Hira back on the show again (perhaps have him on regularly) I think it would be good to have him "speaking out" on a regular basis on the TV News.

If you feel the same way, email the Willis Report at:

WillisReport@foxbusiness.com

Ron Hira, on the Willis Report:

"August 5, 2011 The Myths of the High-Tech Worker Shortage"

Link:

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1096042957001/the-myths-of-the-high-tech-worker-shortage/

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Aug 11, 2011 1:58 AM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to Don't

Um ... are you saying that it's not you who keeps changing your moniker, but me, in order to make it look like I have more readers?

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Aug 11, 2011 1:59 AM This is how I look at it This is how I look at it  says: in response to BT1024

...you guys consider him seriously...

According to most of the people here Indians are dump and worthless so no one should agree to whatever he speaks.

Whoever agree with his points seriously need to look into what he spoke...

Q: We don't have enough scientist and engineers in US..is that true ?

Ron: Nonot in a broad wayas of 2010 300k unemployed computer scientist and engineers.

My take:  As per informationweek.com (http://www.informationweek.com/news/global-cio/trends/218400355) as of July 2009 IT unemployment rate reached 5.5% which translate into 221k which is 1.5% higher than fully employed strength (4%) which is expected when unemployment rate was around 11%. No way could this have happened because of immigrantsthat from 2% to 5.5% in a year or two

Q: Unemployment rates for Computer Scientists @ 5.4% and Engineers @ 4.5% is that tells the story ?

Ron: For computer professionals it should be around 2% or soin case of engineers is should be around 1.5%..

My take: 2% when economy was good and now it is not in good shape so this is not related to legal immigration.he seems to blame immigrant community for unemployment rate which is truly unfair and false. Why don't we look hard into sectors which is having huge unemployment rate. Why don't we look into black community who are most unemployed (above 16% in all and above 20% in tech sector). To me it looks like whole media and corporates work against one community or sector instead of working for all which is very sad.

I do agree on some of his comment other than two of those issues.

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Aug 11, 2011 2:14 AM ch_don ch_don  says:

one person took my moniker.

Bottom line is this - Americans feel threatened by people who provide better services at cheaper cost.

What did we expect? Here is 'circulating mail' I got today and see the coincidence.

  

John Smith started the day early having set his alarmclock

(MADE IN JAPAN ) for 6 am ..

While his coffeepot (MADE IN CHINA) was perking, he shaved with his

electric razor (MADE IN HONG KONG). He put on a dress shirt (MADE IN SRI LANKA), designer jeans (MADE IN SINGAPORE)

and

tennis shoes (MADE IN KOREA) .

After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet (MADE IN INDIA)

he sat down with his calculator (MADE IN MEXICO) to see how much he could spend today. After setting his watch (MADE IN TAIWAN ) to the radio (MADE IN INDIA ) he got in his car (MADE IN GERMANY ) filled it with GAS (from Saudi Arabia ) and continued his search

for a good paying AMERICAN JOB.

At the end of yet another discouraging and fruitless day checking his

Computer ( made in MALAYSIA ), John decided to relax for a while.

He put on his sandals (MADE IN BRAZIL ), poured himself a glass of

wine (MADE IN FRANCE ) and turned on his TV  (MADE IN INDONESIA ),

and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in AMERICA

AND NOW HE'S HOPING HE CAN GET HELP FROM A PRESIDENT

MADE IN KENYA .

You gotta keep this one circulating!

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Aug 11, 2011 2:18 AM Welcome back Welcome back  says:

idiot..with racist mindset..either you play by rule or don't complain if others don't play by rule.

If you want to report about the fraud ...report it...don't do another fraud and say "they did it ...so I did it", that is the dumpest arugument you can give.

How about displaying every single Americans working for Infosys and let every other reducule them!!! after all they are part of the fraudulent company right ?

And didyou forget your are also part of the offshore replacement and did nothing to stop it by complaining or taking them to justice...so you are part of the fraud...can we have your real name and address just in case we wanted to take that case to court.

By the way who are you to decided what to do with their names...you are not part of any jury which is looking into Infosys case. And did I not tell Don share it with legal system not with public...because there is always mentally unstable people like you who take it in a bad way.

And hope you continue your medication.....hope I provoked you enough for today to have your part of trash....

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Aug 11, 2011 2:26 AM random random  says: in response to ch_don

people here are afraid of competition.

That is the bottom line.

They are running and hiding behind their mommy's skirts or in this case behind some regulation.

they think there can be some way protectionism can be brought in. The reality is that any business owner who can find a way to reduce cost (doesn't matter if that business owner is american, chinese, russian, indian, european, brazilian or martian) will do that. And why not - after all the owner has to run his business.

Flag waving will not feed his/her children.

That is what is the bottom line.

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Aug 11, 2011 2:46 AM jake_leone jake_leone  says: in response to People

Gizmodo got searched because they had Apple's property, at his house (or suspected to have).  They didn't get searched because they had information or were distributing information.

The property was the physical iPhone.

Gizmodo should have promptly turned the phone over to the police.  That is standard practice when you receive something, physical, that is lost.

Apart from that, Gizmode could have photographed the item (in place at the location where they found it, a public bar in Redwood City) until Police arrived to retrieve the item.  That would have been the correct (legal) way to do it.

After photographing it they are free to distribute the photos, speculation, as far and as wide as they please, Apple would have no say.

If Gizmodo had done it that way, the home search by Police would have been an infringement of privacy.

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Aug 11, 2011 3:08 AM jake_leone jake_leone  says: in response to People

And frankly bloggers are journalists.  And the California courts have said officially 'We decline the implicit invitation to embroil ourselves in questions of what constitutes legitimate journalism'.

Your remedy is limited only to civil law, in which case, only parties bound by a non-disclosure document can be monetarily affected.  Don, having entered no such agreement (I presume), cannot be sued for releasing this news-worthy information.

"If you got evidience against your company go through legal system and let the legal system take its own course to release the evidence."

In the United States, you are free to release any news-worthy information you want, whenever. 

Too bad if it hurts you to hear it. 

But InfoSys has been breaking the law for decades.  And that information needs to be out there, in the public eye, as soon as possible.  Senators, Congressman, and the general public have been asking for this information for years, and these companies have never been up front with this critical information.  In fact they have made every effort to deflect and put up a wall to prevent the people who need to know, this important information.

Indeed this is a "Soylent Green is people" scenario, where the public's need to know supercedes all, because the activity and trade are already in the public eye and are part what the public consumes, and have a gross affect on how public policy needs to be implemented.

Whenever Congress asked for information on how these outsourcing companies were using our visas, these outsourcing companies resorted to political pressure to put up an Iron Curtain against the simple acquisition of this critical information.

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Aug 11, 2011 3:20 AM Indian_tatti Indian_tatti  says: in response to random

Lode ke bal...

If You are not afraid of competition then why there is min salary limit of US2200 $ for any foreigner to work in India.

Why Americans can't work in India on low pay.

Is this not protecting your Indian Labor ?

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Aug 11, 2011 3:24 AM jake_leone jake_leone  says: in response to random

People are afraid of competition.  That is why you see numerous ads that are "H-1b only".

Because an H-1b employee is afraid to move from job-to-job, until their Green Card process completes.  Effectively creating and indentured servant.  (Hey companies don't want to compete for workers)

That is why the H-1b, L-1 and B-1 visa is a favorite of foreign offshore outsourcing companies that need to bring workers in, on a leash. 

And the B-1 visa, is used to bring in workers at sub-minimum wage, so that these Visa'd workers (who pay no taxes) can be trained by their more experienced U.S. counterparts, and then replace the U.S. citizen.

Companies are afraid of competition, so much so, that they don't even read the resumes submitted by U.S. citizens for jobs on U.S. soil, who are trying to compete for jobs currently held by people applying for Green Cards.

That is why these companies have be fined, proscecuted to get them to obey Equal Opportunity Laws of the United States, designed only to ensure that the hiring process is free of discrimination.  In other words, they have to be policed to actually read the resumes of people who are willing to compete for a job.

I.E. U.S. citizens, who have been told by the president of HCL that they are essentially unemployable, because of their ethnically U.S. citizens.

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Aug 11, 2011 3:26 AM BT1024 BT1024  says: in response to Shaktimaan

"Don there are several people here who use same IP and they might or might not share my view."

I'm taking a guess here:  Your situation may be the one, where there are 5 or more H-1B workers all living in the same apartment and probably all of you are usng the same computer (taking turns making your posts to this blog)...

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Aug 11, 2011 3:40 AM BT1024 BT1024  says: in response to This is how I look at it

Ron Hira is an American (I am assuming of Indian descent) - he could be of Chinese, Icelandic, or Spanish descent, or whatever - I don't care... What I do care is that his interest is in doing what is Right for his fellow American citizens.

I've read many of Ron's artices (From EPI) and I have read his comments in other news sources. I've watched and read his Senate Judiciary hearing testimony - So, from all that I have read and seen - and because no one is influencing him to write and speak out about the topic - he is doing it on his own, I trust his viewpoints and highly value his effort...

I didn't read any of the other stuff that you had posted in your comment, because I have no interest in your "round and round" argument/discussion.

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Aug 11, 2011 3:41 AM Shakitmaan Shakitmaan  says: in response to BT1024

Dont know why but everytime an average American try to use his brain he fails. Earlier Don guessed that same person is using different IDs and now his follower is guessing that several people are using same machine. Cant you guys think out of the box? So many processes and laws have made you guys like a machine.

There can be many scenarios, like using public computer in library or a cyber cafe or using a masked IP etc....

Anyone else like to make a guess or pass any judegement?

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Aug 11, 2011 3:53 AM random random  says: in response to Indian_tatti

2200 ? is that annual or monthly or daily ?

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Aug 11, 2011 3:54 AM who knows who knows  says: in response to jake_leone

"Because an H-1b employee is afraid to move from job-to-job, until their Green Card process completes.  Effectively creating and indentured servant.  (Hey companies don't want to compete for workers)"

You have no clue what you are talking about....You can change employer while you are in H1b and Green Card is in process...all you need is wait for 180 days after I-140 approved. After 180 days company has nothing to do with that I-140 like revoking, canceling etc. Next time when some one (in H1) says this tell them this and ask them to look for new job if they feel exploited.

And FYI H1 is not favorite for outsourcing companies...as it is easy to change employer as soon as you land in US and got your SSN. If someone say's that is not case then they are 100% ignorant or misleading you. I have done 3 employer changes in my initial 3 years of US career while my GC was in Process (I-140 got approved).

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Aug 11, 2011 3:56 AM BT1024 BT1024  says: in response to Shakitmaan

Well, since I am you and your are me, I guess that we are talking to ourselves (or myself or yourself, which I guess are one in the same). Though, my IP address is different...

I (the "average American") made my comment out of anger because this comment section is getting filled up by someone (you perhaps) using all of those different monikers.

What is the likelyhood that 5 or 6 different "posters" are on this blog, all using non-specific monikers ("This is how I look at it" and "expected and not a great", "fure sure", etc) and all of them are sitting in the same library or "cyber cafe"... I think what we have here, is one "Pi*y A*" person that's so angry that they are trying to create havoc/confusion/dissarray on this blog..

Take care, I (the "average American") have to go do some more interesting things.

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Aug 11, 2011 3:59 AM Indian_tatti Indian_tatti  says: in response to random

Monthly 2200 US dollar for a foreigner to work in IT field in India.

Check the Labor laws in India before opening your mouth again.

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Aug 11, 2011 4:01 AM random random  says: in response to jake_leone

"Because an H-1b employee is afraid to move from job-to-job, until their Green Card process completes.  Effectively creating and indentured servant.  (Hey companies don't want to compete for workers)"

So this is also mistake of H1B worker.

If you are so confident of American abilities (and do not fear any competition) and so firmly believe in 'political scientist - academician' Ron Hira (this is his main point - read his testimony) ,

then remove this condition on H1B and also H4 visa (i.e. H1B dependent can not work).

Canada follows this model that employment visa is responsibility of individual rather than employer.

This is another point. I would welcome any American who will share his opinion and also advocate removing this indenturement.

My opinion is that it is just a way of justifying "being afraid" of competition.

And who cares what Ron Hira's opinion is - though he is welcome to say it. He is just an academic - forming opinion while warming chair's cushions is very easy. Again, what exactly has he done in life ?

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Aug 11, 2011 4:04 AM random random  says: in response to Indian_tatti

you are saying that is an entry barrier.

So a high tech worker from US will go for less than 2200 monthly in India. A young graduate gets that much, i.e. if you don't know.

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Aug 11, 2011 4:08 AM Indian_tatti Indian_tatti  says: in response to random

I am not sure whether you are a High Caste Hindu or American.

I am talking about US dollars not Indian rupees.

2200 US DOLLAR = 2200 * 45 Indian rupees.

Even with 8 years exp you don't get that money in a month in India.

**

Monthly not yearly.

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Aug 11, 2011 4:17 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to xyz

Here is a suggestion for you Infosys supporters... set up your own blog to defend them. You can give each other reach arounds while you are at it too.

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Aug 11, 2011 4:25 AM And by And by  says: in response to SealTeam6

any chance you created this blog ???

And is Don is just created this blogs only to go against Infosys and nothing else ?

And is there any terms and condition he put in place who should and comment and who should not ?

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Aug 11, 2011 4:26 AM random random  says: in response to Indian_tatti

"I am not sure whether you are a High Caste Hindu or American."

"I am talking about US dollars not Indian rupees."

"2200 US DOLLAR = 2200 * 45 Indian rupees."

Firstly what does High Caste Hindu or American have to do with discussing entry barrier.

Secondly Rs 100,000 per month is almost the average compensation (CTC basis) for even a young graduate - in fact 8 year experience would net atleast 20 - 50 % more.

limit of 2200 is laughable - you know what I think -

I think this must be to discourage Chinese from doing work in India, honestly.

If you are still not convinced, I can give links - tell me.

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Aug 11, 2011 4:32 AM You may You may  says: in response to Don Tennant

want to speak with itbusinessedge head to change the way users can comment here..if you really mad at the way you can change the moniker.

Even I felt how stupid itbusinessedge.com which can't have properly managed commenting in blogs....

You can give different names...you can give different email address you can give different websites...for everytime you comment...such a lousy system they have...and best part is their website name (ITBusinessEdge)with not using of high end commeting section...such a wakjob done by them.

Like you questioned others...it is their turn to question you Don.

Just say NO and we are fine with that.

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Aug 11, 2011 4:40 AM Indian_tatti Indian_tatti  says: in response to random

Provide me the link pls.

This is very high salary and Indian companies can get lakhs of Indian employees who will work for less than this salary and will be happy.

So no chance for foreigners.

This is called protecting your labor.

Provide me a single link where Indian IT professionals OF 5 YEARS EXP get 2200$ CTC in any company.

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Aug 11, 2011 4:43 AM Do you Do you  says: in response to jake_leone

know why they took his computer ? ...oh they want to look inside the CPU to see if he was hiding that IPhone ???

So you are saying " it is ok to steal company email just you should not steal company things which you can feel it ??? and that is the US law ?

"Apart from that, Gizmode could have photographed the item (in place at the location where they found it, a public bar in Redwood City) until Police arrived to retrieve the item.  That would have been the correct (legal) way to do it."

You mean to say it is ok if someone took your (to make it 'news worthy' some one took your mom/wife/daughter) nude photo and posted in blog (without their approval)...because it just not physical thing he/she took it right. And you are fine with it and US law accepts it.

What Palmer did is...took some evidence to prove his case which is acceptable as long as he produced those only to the court.

He crossed the line when he shared those details with Don...and Don crossed the line when he published it that too with the names of Infosys employees.

If I have problem with you I take you to court...I don't have any rights to publish personal information about your family members (even the name)...I have zero rights on your family member and I have zero rights on you when I already started legal fight with you.

You can call Don a journalist but it is up to legal system to accept it not you or me.

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Aug 11, 2011 4:48 AM If you don't If you don't  says: in response to SealTeam6

want anyone to comment here...close the comment section...

And if you want only non-anonymous selected people to comment here then block anonymous posts here.

If you want only selected people post here then make it as... only those can post comment here...

If you don't know how to do any of those let me know...I have people who can do that perfectly...

If it is not your blog better stop showing your stupidity by saying such things....it is open for all and as long as you can comment here everyone else will...if you have problem better stop visiting this blog...

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Aug 11, 2011 4:49 AM random random  says: in response to Indian_tatti

http://salarykhoj.com/

See this has many links.

You must have been out since a long time to think 2200 p.m is a big amount. Nowadays people make more there (net) then what they do here and with a better standard of life in many ways.

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Aug 11, 2011 4:53 AM random random  says: in response to Do you

These are shakedown tactics. It is nothing personal.

If you see other Don's other posts- no one reads them. One is called 'benevolent some non sense' (Sorry  ! Don).

This has over 70 comments and counting. He knows where the meat is.

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Aug 11, 2011 4:54 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to And by

You guys come here and post utter garbage in barely comprehensible fractured ramblings. What exactly do you think you are achieving. here is a clue... the silent readers of the blog will be forming an opinion of both you and Infosys. And a none too flattering one at that.

Don is free to post on anything he likes. He is the creator of the content of this blog. When he posted on China & Cisco, people started posting about Infosys on that thread too. So it actually makes no difference now: Even if Don were to stop posting on Infosys, you rabid Infosys et al fanboys want to read about the Infosys quagmire. Ironic.

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Aug 11, 2011 4:57 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to random

So I guess you are saying a business can get a few guns, kidnap, lock up and make people work for nothing....well....may be some food and that's it. The profit margins will be off the charts with this business model!!!

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Aug 11, 2011 5:00 AM Why Why  says:

should I get skills in such a dirty language...I have my own language which is good for me...

To speak with idiots like you this much is more than enough...

And don't forget your comments was called as "nonsense" by Don...

so you may have good english skills but with "nonsense" in your brain. I am far better than your in that case...so go get some commonsense..so that you don't get called as "nonsense"

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Aug 11, 2011 5:02 AM Still Still  says: in response to SealTeam6

you are responding to those garbage!!!

Now you need to guess how those silent reader would think about you.

As long as I can comment here Freely I will...you have problem stop visiting this blog...

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Aug 11, 2011 5:05 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to Still

It's your funeral. The more you continue to piost, the more it confirms the kind of behavior exhibited by Infosys employees. Similar style and verbiage. Patterns are not just in software.

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Aug 11, 2011 5:06 AM You are You are  says: in response to random

right...none of his blogs has reasonable comments...

That is the reason Don was keep providing news about Infosys on every alternate days or once a blog comments slows down...it is the way you can generate visits to your blog

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Aug 11, 2011 5:09 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to Why

If the English language is beneath you then you need to go live in a cave in your own country.

If the English language is beneath you then why are you clamoring to post in this ENGLISH blog :P

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Aug 11, 2011 5:11 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says:

Well...if he was successful in screwing the American worker, then why is he here  commenting. Is he afraid his fraudulent visa will be cut short and he will need to go back home :P

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Aug 11, 2011 5:12 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says:

Whatever :P

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Aug 11, 2011 5:13 AM pict pict  says: in response to hireamerica

The same reason you google about india whole day.

To kick each other's back :P

Now see who is more successful. He with half knowledge in english or you with half knowledge in indian culture.

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Aug 11, 2011 5:16 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to pict

Goes to show how clueless you are....I don't need to Google about Iniaa...I visit quite often, and know exactly what it is like...more so than you yourself will ever know about India :P

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Aug 11, 2011 5:18 AM pict pict  says: in response to hireamerica

You are stupid enough to think that commenting in Don's blog is key input to visa reform?

It tells me you are here to acheive your goal by doing this LOL!!

That shows how good for nothing is your type.

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Aug 11, 2011 5:21 AM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to BT1024

Just so you know, nobody who has anything to do with this blog has the time or inclination to worry about IP addresses. I hardly needed an IP address to see that it was the same person posting. I get email alerts whenever a comment is posted, which include the (usually fake) email address that the commenter uses. The particular pattern of fake email addresses, combined with the syntax and the pattern of verbal behavioral indicators exhibited by this person in his comments, made it crystal clear. Remember, writing this blog isn't my day job, but you hardly need to be a behavioral analysis genius to see the glaringly obvious.

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Aug 11, 2011 5:22 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to pict

Being here shows me that the fraudsters are running scared :P About time!!!!

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Aug 11, 2011 5:25 AM hjk hjk  says: in response to Don Tennant

No Don, long back in a post you said you search those email ids in linked in and social media etc for one specific person.

So I personally don't share it. You have a very cheap culture so I am scared to share my id with you. I know all along that you don't have means to track IP.

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Aug 11, 2011 5:28 AM jake_leone jake_leone  says: in response to Do you

I think you do not understand the difference between breaking the law and simply having Civil Rights such as "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of the Press".

Go educate yourself.

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Aug 11, 2011 5:29 AM pict pict  says: in response to hireamerica

"Goes to show how clueless you are....I don't need to Google about Iniaa...I visit quite often, and know exactly what it is like...more so than you yourself will ever know about India :P"

oh so you visit India and go to visit Devdasis and slums only. Now I got your type.

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Aug 11, 2011 5:35 AM hjk hjk  says: in response to Don Tennant

http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/tennant/are-anti-h-1b-fanatics-prone-to-workplace-violence/?cs=46176

Here is the link where I found this nature of Don and stopped using my identity.

Some people who thinks they are activist (by commenting in blogs) and may be already have nothing to loose can continue to share their identity. Others may not. Why so difficult to accept it.

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Aug 11, 2011 5:36 AM R. Lawson R. Lawson  says:

Not too long ago we had a guy who was obviously Indian pretending to be African American (I know, shame on me for stereotyping based on how a person writes - but I've lived among both African Americans and worked with Indian people long enough to know how people  generally communicate).

Why can't people just be honest about who they are?  Seems rather silly.

To those who don't believe that Infosys is in trouble, here is the headline that says it all:

"INFOSYS TECHNOLOGIES TRADES AT A NEW 52-WEEK RECORD LOW (INFY)?"  http://www.zacks.com/research/get_news.php?id=223l6269

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Aug 11, 2011 5:47 AM random random  says: in response to R. Lawson

Free tip for you :

That is great opportunity to buy 'Infy' , believe me - I became a millionaire from Infy - atleast 10x appreciation.

I am pretty sure Infy will come out of this - even stronger. 

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Aug 11, 2011 5:57 AM hjk hjk  says: in response to R. Lawson

I already answered your first question above you. Why is your exposure to 2 different cultures are so true and robust that you can give all judgments and if others share anything against what you guys think right, becomes stereotype? Most of the Indians in US meet with 10 times more americans than you actually meet with Indians.

Infosys is loosing out strictly business wise to competitors for since quite sometimes now. Infact cognizant overtook Infosys in US business quite a few months back. Tata is growing strong against Infosys.

Infosys was too much focusing on profit margin rejecting new business and neglecting revenue growth. So overall they are failing to acheive what they wanted to become (accenture?)

Moreover if they are in 52 weeks low cognizant was 52 weeks high few days back. Tata HCL growing strong. So it is all about competition in certain market. Nothing is improving for you.

All these things has nothing to do with Palmer case or Don's reporting. It shows how ignorant you are. You can still stay that way nothing wrong - you need not change what you think based on blog comments.

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Aug 11, 2011 6:30 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to pict

Why do you have these systems in the first place :P. Go back and clean it up instead of gloating 'we are millionaires from Infosys':P

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Aug 11, 2011 7:16 AM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says: in response to who knows

Nothing like giving your employer 6 months to look for your replacement.

No, Sara, I have always advocated, that from day-1 the employee should have control over their Green Card process.

Take away the Green-Whip.

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Aug 11, 2011 8:34 AM who knows who knows  says: in response to Jake_Leone

"Nothing like giving your employer 6 months to look for your replacement."

This doesn't sound like great issue if your are serious in changing the job.If you can't work with that employer(either your not good or they are not good) for 6 months then it is worth to start the GC process from the start...worst case they would lose 6 months of priority date. When you wait for decades to get GC it is not a big deal to wait another 6 months to work for a right employer with right salary.

Unfortunately employee cannot have control over their Green Card process and which has its own disadvantages (we can refer Canada for issues...long story short it has major flaws then US system).

Here is what my suggestion,

How about no one should have control on the Green Card process, instead come here on H1 (with a minimum salary to file H1 is $80k - $110k based on location with zero filing fee) if you could continue in the job (with freedom to change employer any time and all the new employer has to do is declare the salary which should meet the minimum limit) for 5yrs (and maintain clean back ground) they get GC by default with no employer or employee put great effort in it (I think UK works that way...but not sure).

Any time you lost job on H1...get 30days to find one...get another 30 days to pack up and you may extend max 30 more days to clear all your asserts in US. During your 90day stay without job they don't have right to claim unemployment benefit and should not work any other job which won't sponsor or eligible to sponsor H1.

And become citizen in next 5yrs (which is already exist) as long as your background is clean.

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Aug 11, 2011 8:40 AM who knows who knows  says: in response to Don Tennant

It is open world Don...I do disagree on most of the post but I have to live with it just to give chance for others to speak what they want to. As you said..if it is stupid comment then readers are matured enough to identify it, moderator in the blog don't have to underestimate readers maturity.

I would say the comment system has its own flaws like any other system in the world has (there is nothing called perfect). May be one thing ITBusinessedge should consider doing is post should be displayed only when they register or link sent to their email address to validated it is correct and they intend to post it.

I don't see any special effort needs to put in analyzing anonymous posters...as they don't identify them they get less credibility than who are with some identity.

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Aug 11, 2011 8:46 AM who knows who knows  says: in response to R. Lawson

Roy it is much better and easy for people who wants to avoid people who has no good intention when they can't be honest.

But, I like to disagree with you on measuring any companies trouble with their stock value when the whole market is falling. Sometime it is good measure but not all the times. I did had Infosys stocks (3yrs back) when it was around Rs 1300/- and sold all...but now it is Rs 2400/- (as of yesterday) and went up to Rs 3000/- (as usual after I sold it at low price   ).

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Aug 11, 2011 8:59 AM The Truth The Truth  says:

LOL you couldn't be further from the truth my friend.

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Aug 11, 2011 9:04 AM xyz xyz  says: in response to hireamerica

oh these systems? these are common household stuff in US. Those dirty things will remain where it belongs in India and won't become common day to day practice like US society.

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Aug 11, 2011 9:24 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to xyz

Then your choice is clear...you can go back lest you become tainted :P

And  make sure you leave the money behind..you know..the money is tainted too....or does the US money have different rules:P

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Aug 11, 2011 9:43 AM Here you go Here you go  says: in response to SealTeam6

again...as usual white racist mentality...

Who ever supports Infosys..they are Infosys employees

I agree similar style, hate, stereotype comments from same people who are declared racist...hmmm patterns are not just in software....

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Aug 11, 2011 9:48 AM Just to Just to  says: in response to hireamerica

screw your racist mentality..will continue as long as you are here spewing your dirty comments here...

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Aug 11, 2011 10:07 AM split personality disorder split personality disorder  says: in response to Jake_Leone

is the reason for keeping his source super secret...otherwise there is no reason for him to keep creating sensational news every other day about Infosys.

Company emails are properties of companies and it is not something to be shared with everyone without legal approval (from company or court).

Jay Palmer and his attorney is using Don to threaten Infosys by releasing emails one by one to public....this is simple blackmail...nothing else.

If Jay Palmer felt bad/insult when Infosys called him lair then there is legal system to handle it...he has no reason to come to media and distribute company emails. It is evidence and has to be given public only through proper legal system (court!!!).

Don, Palmer and his attorney are waiting for big payout...once it is done you guys won't get any news about Infosys till then keep enjoy this SENSATIONAL news and keep bashing/bragging about Outsourcing.

Never forget to revisit this site regualarly and comment about Infosys...because more the people visit and comment more the payout for those three. May be Don could share his payout with those who agree with his point which could help those jobless HIGH TECH people to have food in table.

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Aug 11, 2011 10:21 AM oh yea... oh yea...  says: in response to hireamerica

I live in cave in my own country...and FYI I get internet connection there too not like US where you have to be in Metro to have internet or you have to have multiple wireless provider to get constant Internet while on roaming.

Did you say "ENGLISH blog"....come on...it is pure hate Infosys blog...all I see is trash comments..and this is all you call "ENGLISH" then man...really feel sorry for the languge...most of comments here (except very few) has some part of stereotype (which they try hard to hide it) and major part is hate, stereotype and some part of selfishness....and when it comes to ENGLISH language (whatever you use here) has nothing but stupid, racial, stereotype comments when others have mix of those with some reasonable points...you have/are full of trash...if your mother reads all your comments...then for sure she will commit suicide or kill you...you are filled with that much hate and sic mind.

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Aug 11, 2011 10:22 AM Split personality disorder Split personality disorder  says: in response to Jake_Leone

is the reason for Don keep creating those invisible source and protecting it.

Blog "Infosys Whistleblower's Attorney Releases Incriminating Evidence" is the clear evidence of breaking the law, emails are property of the company until the person has legal rights to own it and when a case is in Court there is no reason for Palmer and his Attorney to release it.

That blog is clear "Blackmail" by Palmer, his Attorney and Don...the reason they gave for releasing is childish...if someone says lair when you already reached court for a case you have no reason to use will release evidence one by one ....only reason could be get the payout faster and higher.

All three (Don, Palmer and his attorney) waiting for big payout which is getting delayed for some reason...so they wanted to threaten Infosys to make it fast otherwise will release one by one.

If they have real reason to expose it..they would have relased everything in one shot and say..close Infosys and these are the evidence released for public. That is the difference between "Wikileaks" who has no money intension and "Don" who has money intention in releasing evidence.

If it is legal to release company emails release it all...if not keep your evidence without and meet Infosys in court. They way you creating SENSATIONAL blogs every alternate days about Infosys shows you are working hard for big payout from them. And you want more people to visit and comment so that you can get higher payout.

Comeon guys...keep visiting and comment (brag) about Infosys so that Don can get lion share of payout and he may throw some pennies for those comment here. As they keep claiming...they are HIGH tech people and lost job to Indians...so they need some share from Don to put food in table.

Don...waiting for next SENSATIONAL evidence release...because Infosys didn't budge for your last threat...as Palmer attorney promised we are waiting for PART 2....oh...you can't expose everything right...otherwise what is there for Infosys to pay you guys.

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Aug 11, 2011 10:25 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to Here you go

again...as usual white racist mentality... Who ever supports Infosys..they are Infosys employees I agree similar style, hate, stereotype comments from same people who are declared racist...hmmm patterns are not just in software....

Wait... now Infosys is a race ? My criticism of Infosys is taken as racism ?  Wow. Considering an Indian American ex-employee of Infosys sued them for discrimination, I find your statement rather ironic. I do look forward to hearing such defense arguments in court. Should be hilarious.

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Aug 11, 2011 10:26 AM jobs4US jobs4US  says:

Recent Infosys supporter posts on this blog remind me of a famous quote in Hamlet by William Shakespeare: 

The Queen speaking:   "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Google it to see why this matters now

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Aug 11, 2011 10:36 AM random random  says: in response to jobs4US

there is nothing like infy supporter or palmer supporter. the fact is there is an issue and that is subjudice, as far as we know or to the extent don is projecting. infact it is some kind of criminal case (i don't know how it is criminal - but super lawyer have told us so and therefore it is so).

Now sine the basis of law is that an accused is innocent until proven guilty, we should (all of us) as netizens should let the process go on - lest some one like infy or palmer supporter cries foul that the case was prejudiced against them due to activities of any one. after all atleast 30 million americans have some or other stake in infosys either directly or thru their IRA.

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Aug 11, 2011 10:40 AM Jobs4US Jobs4US  says: in response to oh yea...

It's amazing how Infosys supporters avoid the facts and predictably bridge to insulting Americans, pulling the race card, and playing buzzword bingo (today's words - protectionist, racist, and innovation)

Fact: Infosys is facing civil and criminal charges in the US Federal court for violating US laws by illegally employing foreign citizens on B-1 visas.

Fact:  This case has nothing to do with race and everything to do with breaking the law. 

I wonder what these same people would do if illegal guest workers were swarming their country.... I am certain it would not be the same.

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Aug 11, 2011 10:43 AM Jobs4US Jobs4US  says: in response to random

I am unable to understand your rambling statement. Can you please communicate your point succinctly?   Thank you

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Aug 11, 2011 10:45 AM Fine... Fine...  says: in response to Don Tennant

if writing this blog is not your day job...then what you do for living ?

To whom you are fighting for in this blog ?

You fighting for Americans ? or you are fighting against Indain companies ? or fighting against employees working in those companies ?

When you fight against their employees you may indirectly harm them or their families with some of unstable people in this world.

As you said in another blog comment "I earn  my living by calling Spade a Spade".....what have you done against a single American company...when you post 100 blogs in a month 90 seems to be related to Infosys.

You wrote few about Cisco and everything was carefully written with no name reveled...where as when it comes to blog about Infosys you were carefully writing to make sure every Infosys employee name gets displayed without their approval.

And the explanation given by you looks like "if you don't agree to share more information about Infosys I get to release your names"...I bet you won't do the same if they were close relatives to you. You decided to expose their names, position and locaiton of work because they are no way affect your personally and they are out of your contact circle.

Don't forget readers (at least some) of your blog do have some brain to read obvious from your blogs about Infosys. I am not pro-Infosys but I am pro-employees...no matter what you do...never undermine or harm the employees. You may be smart enough to understand their contribution (at will or not)  in the fraud activity done by their company but there are always some nut cases who may be closly working with them can harm or trouble them.

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Aug 11, 2011 10:50 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to Jobs4US

LOL....They fight over jobs with their fellow citizens even within the same state...

Check this out...they have a zonal system wherein candidates from one zone in the State cannot apply for jobs in another zone within the same State.

http://www.hindu.com/2011/06/28/stories/2011062859010100.htm

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Aug 11, 2011 10:51 AM Jobs4US Jobs4US  says: in response to Fine...

I assume by pro-employee, you mean Infosys employee, correct?

Have you forgotten about the fact that tens of thousands of highly qualified, educated American employees with advanced skills (you should know you stole our resumes)  have lost their jobs, homes, life savings, healthcare and much more thanks to corporate greed and cheap offshoring providers like Infosys?

Infosys can do what it sees fit to do in its own country but in the USA - collecting US dollars from US companies - US law is the law of the land. 

Another famous quote - America, if you don't like it leave it.

And please don't let the door hit you on your way out.

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Aug 11, 2011 10:53 AM Jobs4US Jobs4US  says: in response to hireamerica

Amazing.  Yet, these same people refuse to respect American citizens' rights to a fair chance to compete for jobs in our own country.

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Aug 11, 2011 10:55 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to oh yea...

Hahahaha...judging from your comments....you really DO live in a cave!!!! Who raised you anyway ?:P

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Aug 11, 2011 11:03 AM who knows who knows  says:

I never said in any place there should be unlimited immigration...so please lets not get into that.

I didn't got into counting because I feel it has to be change based on unemployment on the particular sector where H1 gets filed and it doesn't mean I was saying unlimited h1. Lets say if IT unemployment rate is 5% then keep that as multiplying factor in minimum salary required. If a position got fixed for salary of 100k then it that should be 105k and also number of positions can be filled by h1 should be based on unemployment rate in that state. And overall number should be based on countries unemployment rate.

I would convert whatever fees you would like to be salary for the employee which will make sure positions really not gets filled by Citizens should get h1. Keeping fee low make sure there is good chance for companies which is small but have to compete with multi-billion dollar companies.

Also US government should make sure education cost is contained or more colleges started by state/federal government funding so that fees kept in check. This fee structure is not sustainable and it won't help US in long run.

The reason I said minimum wage for job needs be filled by any work visa(excluding labor works) should be start from $80k to make sure there is no undercut wages

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Aug 11, 2011 11:07 AM for sure for sure  says: in response to hireamerica

not your mom...otherwise I would have been sic person like you...

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Aug 11, 2011 11:13 AM Jobs4US Jobs4US  says: in response to who knows

To save the US Government and employers' time and money, the H-1b program must make it mandatory for guest worker hopefuls to achieve a passing grade for GED English literacy and grammar tests.   

Poor written and verbal communication skills are counter-productive, expensive, and inefficient.

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Aug 11, 2011 11:14 AM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says: in response to Split personality disorder

You wrote: "Blog "Infosys Whistleblower's Attorney Releases Incriminating Evidence" is the clear evidence of breaking the law, emails are property of the company until the person has legal rights to own it and when a case is in Court there is no reason for Palmer and his Attorney to release it."

My Response: You are completely wrong.  In the United States you can release any information that is "News Worthy".  No one can restrict you, in any way, if the information is news.  The public has the right no know (news worthy information), and that superceded by any Copy Right (for which there is no indication in this case), Trade Secret, or Proprietary information.  Legal recourse by the company is limited to any non-disclosure agreements signed by Jay Palmer, and does not limit the above.  Yes there could be monetary cost associated by disclosure, it is not illegal to do so.

You wrote: "That blog is clear "Blackmail" by Palmer, his Attorney and Don...the reason they gave for releasing is childish...if someone says lair when you already reached court for a case you have no reason to use will release evidence one by one ....only reason could be get the payout faster and higher."

My Response: "Straw Man" argument, you paint Palmer as criminal, then attack the fake puppet you have created.  There is no Blackmail involved in this.  Everything is public, nothing is hidden. InfoSys will have the opportunity to state its case in court.

Jay's releases are all responses to being called a "Liar", in several World-Wide, public forums.  And buddy maybe that's not "Blackmail" but it sure wreaks of stong-arm coersion.  InfoSys own words are used to keep Jay's reputation clean.  Anyone would do the same when their character is being assassinated.

You wrote: "All three (Don, Palmer and his attorney) waiting for big payout which is getting delayed for some reason...so they wanted to threaten Infosys to make it fast otherwise will release one by one."

My Response: Reporters typically have no direct financial stake in the settlement.  Pure character assassination, on your part, again with the "Straw-Man".

Your Wrote: "If they have real reason to expose it..they would have relased everything in one shot and say..close Infosys and these are the evidence released for public. That is the difference between "Wikileaks" who has no money intension and "Don" who has money intention in releasing evidence."

My Response: You are completely wrong, wikileaks releases document in batches, as Julian Assange has said they are releasing documents in batches (see his 60 minutes interview).  Special Reports (and this story qualifies) are often multi-part episodes (on local-tv or printed news). 

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Aug 11, 2011 11:15 AM And And  says: in response to Jobs4US

you are not Don right ? because every comment sounds like that...

And I am not Infosys employee...I would never work for them...they have some really bad employee policies (they ask you to work for 9hrs a day for 6 days a week) which I can't live with...

By the way ....you just said in US you can buy law right ?

"The only reason Microsoft and the rest of these greedy corporations can't find Americans - is because they don't want to - and since they bought the law they don't have to. "

Better spend your retirement savings to buy better law which can really fix the problem.

"Another famous quote - America, if you don't like it leave it. "

And why you still replying to my post??? is that "if you don't like it leave it" applies to you...oh...right is to preach others not for you right.

"And please don't let the door hit you on your way out."

Sure, thanks for your care...this is what called american culture...oh by the way we don't have such culture...the moment we got in will be shut the door in such a way no one gets in (refer Ron Hira).

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Aug 11, 2011 11:19 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to for sure

If my mother did, you would support truthfulness and fairness...not resume faking and fraud :P

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Aug 11, 2011 11:22 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to And

Dontcha worry...the law is gettning fixed as we speak...well...as we write on this blog

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Aug 11, 2011 11:24 AM Jobs4US Jobs4US  says: in response to And

No I'm not Don.  I am a proud, hard working, accomplished American Tech Professional. 

It is sickening to see my country erode before my eyes - and for what - greed.  I'm from a generation that fought for civil rights and my dad wasn't a POW fighting in foxholes to defend the United States of Infosys.

Unlike you my friend, this is my home, I have no where else to go.  I was born here, attended public school,  earned a full scholarship for undergrad and went to school nights for graduate school.   I am a minority and I earned my way tooth and nail to where I am by being smarter and working harder.  

My qualifications are flawless and skill - unquestionable.

Even so, my former employer chose to lay me off and replace me with a plethora of alphabet soup visa workers who never stepped foot in my country before.  

It took me a long time to feel comfortable speaking out about the fraud and abuse... And its going to take a lot more people than me to change it. 

I am reclaiming my American Dream for me, my family, and my country....  Please do the same in your own country.

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Aug 11, 2011 11:26 AM Did Did  says: in response to hireamerica

you forget to add great racist, good in stereotyping and get certified as 'Nonsense' by blogger and finally shameless character who can still continue commenting in a blog where he got declared "nonsense".

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Aug 11, 2011 11:28 AM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says: in response to Jake_Leone

If you knew "Soylent Green is people", would it ever be right for 'the company" to be able to "legally" keep you quiet. 

No, it would never be right.

That is (and for several other reasons) why we have "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of the Press" in our Constitution.  These 2 rights supersede any commercial document (not withstanding monetary compensation).

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Aug 11, 2011 11:33 AM And And  says: in response to Did

the comment was so damn cheap ..."someone urinating in vegetable market" that too when he might have even consumed those imported vegetables!!!

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Aug 11, 2011 11:34 AM Vincenzo Vincenzo  says:

Let's hope that the Infosys lawyers are as effective at defending the company as the commenters here are at defending them.  If so, Infosys is sunk.

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Aug 11, 2011 11:37 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to Did

LMAO....making up thing as usual...some things never change...hehehehe

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Aug 11, 2011 11:40 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to And

Just so you know before you say anything more about"American culture" and visa policies, this is how India deals with people trying to get into India illegally:

India's shoot-to-kill policy on the Bangladesh border

This might seem unexceptional in a world increasingly hostile to migration. But to police the border, India's Border Security Force (BSF), has carried out a shoot-to-kill policy-even on unarmed local villagers. The toll has been huge. Over the past 10 years Indian security forces have killed almost 1,000 people, mostly Bangladeshis, turning the border area into a south Asian killing fields. No one has been prosecuted for any of these killings, in spite of evidence in many cases that makes it clear the killings were in cold blood against unarmed and defenceless local residents.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2011/jan/23/india-bangladesh-border-shoot-to-kill-policy

So even India has laid down far harsher punishments for trying to enter the country than the US ever has.

So your comments about the "anti-immigrant" talk here is pretty hypocritical when the Indian government acts with such impunity back in your own country.

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Aug 11, 2011 11:41 AM hioreamerica hioreamerica  says: in response to And

Well...if the comment was so damn cheap....just imagine what it was like to actually witness it...Are you going to deny that it does not happen??? Say it...say it.....it does not happen....... can you?Hahahaha....

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Aug 11, 2011 12:00 PM And...FYI And...FYI  says: in response to Jake_Leone

Freedom of speech and freedom of press is applicable to government organization...even they can restrict which a free press can access and you can get more information only through Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. When you want to release something about private company then you have use your freedom of press/speech carefully and better use it through legal system. Public has no say in that communication when legal system started acting on the complaints.

You cannot take cover under FOIA for releasing something which is part company employee's communication without prior approval from them or an order from court. These email releases may affect the company directly or indirectly before even court have a say in it. It is released in bit and pieces which is best describe what they wanted others to pursue not the full picture or communication which like twisting the truth towards your wish.

Did Palmer broke privacy law of other employees by exposing their names and email address (could be with contact details) to Don who has nothing to do with Infosys ?

Don is one private person with a blogand he is not a journalist and he cannot take cover under freedom of press act. I don't want my contact details with a 3rd party (even in the name of journalist) just because my company did something wrong. You sue the company in court get what you want but keep my privacy intact.

Will you accept if your co-worker posted emails with your contact details on his Facebook (just because he has only 3 good friends including you)?

Release it all, so that everyone knows what happened with full picture rather than pieces 3 of them feel comfortable with.

"Wikileaks" released in parts because of the volume of the documents not because of they wanted "say sorry otherwise I will release more"...that is the difference between Palmer case and "wikileaks". If you don't want to see that way fine...who cares...I put my view and you gave your view.

Below is the confidentiality statement part of email from most of company...

"This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail"

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Aug 11, 2011 12:23 PM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to And...FYI

Just curious -- what are your thoughts on the actual content of those emails? What do they tell you about Infosys?

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Aug 11, 2011 12:29 PM People People  says: in response to And...FYI

forget the case about Gizmodo editors on Iphone 4 case. They didn't got protection from Freedom of Press and instead the editors house got searched. And lately they got out of the case after Apple decided not to push hard otherwise it is easy for them to put those editors behind bar for long time. Online bloggers are not journalist and they don't have Freedom of Press protection (time only has to prove it....)

Who is Don to release names of Infosys employess and conveniently decided to hide the name of the client of Infosys. Simple reason is employees won't sue Don for releasing their names where as if Don releases the client name he will be sued for. He is just taking chances of poor fellow who may or may not have time and money to bring Don under justice.

If you got evidience against your company go through legal system and let the legal system take its own course to release the evidence.

"Mendelsohn expressed his own response to Gottsegen's statement more succinctly:

I am reviewing all of our documents and am going to continue to release evidence that proves Infosys violated our laws until someone from Infosys publicly apologizes to Jay for Gottsegen calling him a liar."

This is what called as blackmailing....if it is wrong go hunt Infosys through legal system not through 3rd party like Don.

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Aug 11, 2011 12:33 PM Shaktimaan Shaktimaan  says: in response to Don Tennant

We or you dont have any authority to decide anything about anyone. What you are doint is that, you made parallel govt where, you are providing evidences then you yourself are deciding what is correct and what is wrong and asking public to decide the puisnhment.

I will say that you got everything wrong Mr Tennant!

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Aug 11, 2011 12:36 PM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to People

I withheld the name of the client to protect the client and the source, who agreed to speak with me on the condition that the client not be identified.

You said I have released the names of Infosys employees. To which Infosys employees are you referring?

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Aug 11, 2011 12:41 PM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to Shaktimaan

Why are posting with a different anonymous moniker each time? Is your intent to make it appear that there are a lot of people who share your views?

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Aug 11, 2011 12:44 PM for sure for sure  says: in response to Don Tennant

this is not my identity..and if at all you have logs (IP trace) please do verify before even you jump to any judgement. And if this is how you investigated Infosys story then I seriously doubt it has any credibility.

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Aug 11, 2011 12:47 PM here you go...proof for employee names here you go...proof for employee names  says: in response to Don Tennant

From your blog (http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/tennant/infosys-whistleblower-s-attorney-releases-incriminating-evidence/?cs=48186)

"The case of Mr. X began on Aug. 6, 2010, when Kiranraj Karkera, an Infosys engagement manager based in Chicago, wrote to Ravi Kumar S, Infosys' vice president of enterprise solutions in Bangalore. The letter served as an invitation for Mr. X to come for two weeks of meetings at Infosys' Chicago office; it was the document that had to be presented to the U.S. consulate to secure a B-1 visa for Mr. X. Here's an excerpt:"

"On Oct. 19, Manish Sawla, an Infosys offshore project manager, emailed Palmer to request that he get H&S's approval for the Oct. 22 milestone billing. Palmer thereupon emailed Shazia Mian, director of application systems at H&S, requesting approval for the $8,480 billing for Mr. X's services. Mian gave the approval."

"On Oct. 1, Jennifer Alvarez, a quality assurance analyst at H&S, sent an email to Sarah Cryder, IT manager in the Project Management Office at H&S, to try to get an extension for Mr. X for a few more days:"

If you don't see any Infosys employee names above I can't help you....

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Aug 11, 2011 12:51 PM So you So you  says: in response to Don Tennant

decide who's name should be published...and who's name should be kept under wrap ???

And if you can't reach someone or if someone didn't agree to speak with you ...you will release their name...wow what a great journalism

And you are free to delete all my comments if you don't wish to be here which may lessen your credibility...after all this is your blog and I am just a anonymous person commenting here.

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Aug 12, 2011 1:03 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to random

Hmmmmm...and what percentage join the military and go to war to defend the country????

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Aug 12, 2011 1:42 AM random random  says: in response to hireamerica

I don't know and to be quite honest, I do not care also.

I have no reason to hate any one or kill any living thing.

I saw some comparisons here - and very frequently Pres Obama says it also.

I say there is no comparison. Kids here are born not with silver spoon but Diamond ring around their head.

The kind of facilities, services available here to 100 % of population can only be dreamed about by 99 % of Indian population. This is the head start which citizens of this country have. If you apply Federal poverty levels to India, more than 90 % of the population will be under that level.

When British left, then typical of them - they had sucked the blood out of that country.

If these guys are still able to come here and work here, level head and shoulder (in fact do better as a class and individually) and then people want protection also, I tell you - there is some thing seriously wrong with these guys. In this country, govt protection also does not come cheap. So be sure of what you ask for.

People like me (and many of them come from the same back ground) are used to empty stomachs and most willing to put our shoulders against the till for any work.  

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Aug 12, 2011 1:54 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to random

Give some credit to people's intelligence.... Will ya?

Truly poor in India never get the chance to come here.The kids from poor families end up working as domestic servants or peons in private offices in order to support their families and never get the opportunity to go get an education.

Only the middle class can afford to give their children a decent education which then opens the doors to the US. Tell me....how many times did you thank the domestic servant in your parent's house?

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Aug 12, 2011 2:03 AM xyz xyz  says: in response to hireamerica

"The kids from poor families end up working as domestic servants or peons in private offices in order to support their families and never get the opportunity to go get an education."

No, you are very wrong here. In India even poorest come out as brightest. You might be knowing with how much money even Infosys was started. It was so wrong statement in your part.

Infact it is in US where you need money (but anyway you have it so not a problem) to go through nice higher education system etc. You know better where poors in america ends up. That is your concern isn't it?

Very very poor people is problem in India. Just because you don't have that problem don't open your big mouth. It is not that you started very poor and made this country best. It is like you started with best of resources and dragging this country down everyday because this country has to carry useless morons like you.

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Aug 12, 2011 2:05 AM iPhone_rocks iPhone_rocks  says: in response to hireamerica

hireamerica,

Are you a stupid Indian, who recently took US citizenship and tries to impress your loyal masters? Please wipe your mouth and it is dripping. You sound really dumb in this discussion. You are bringing nothing to the discussion. Why are you blabbering everything else other than Infosys malpractices?

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Aug 12, 2011 2:10 AM random random  says: in response to hireamerica

Really.

I wish I could give you a glimpse of my upbringing. I came up and many others like me thru paralysing and crippling poverty.

People here do not even know what poverty can be and how it has broken backs of entire generations.

It is not a fairy story - but a reality. What do you know about this.

There are people, young children studying and working (much more than what I did) in India/China - who are going to claim their share ?

This is what Pres Obama has warned many time - study hard, work hard because those guys are going to kick some real arse and they will do that right here in our back yard - because America will always welcome immigrants. This has always been the American story, America has always welcomed competition.

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Aug 12, 2011 2:11 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to iPhone_rocks

Learn how to read first, and reread all the posts.

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Aug 12, 2011 2:13 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to iPhone_rocks

I might add go get some English language skills, too :P

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Aug 12, 2011 2:17 AM hireamerican hireamerican  says: in response to xyz

Infosys founders were never poor...they belonged to the elite brahmin class :P

You only see those that have it all....I see those that live in all areas of the US...Have you ever been to West Virginia or Alabama or driven across in New Hampshire? I didn't think so. You simply go to places like New York, New Jersey,Houston etc etc....

Having resources does one no good unless one knows how to put them to good use. Indians always crib about how the British looted India....why were the Indians not protecting and using their resources  for the good and prosperity of Indians?

You are absolutely right. The US is getting dragged down due to morons like me. I see no value in the US having admitted me into this country. I am simply a burden, which is why it should not let in even more people like me. God save this country!!!

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Aug 12, 2011 2:21 AM hireamerican hireamerican  says: in response to random

I know exactly what it is like in India....the truly Indian poor can never come to the US...only the middle class can, and will opt to do so. The rich kids come here for a few years and can't stand doing daily chores themselves so they go back home to their rich parents' homes with domestic servants, drivers etc...

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Aug 12, 2011 2:23 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says:

There is a lot more that is going on out there than on this blog....you just don't have the visibility...or even if you do, you chose to ignore it.

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Aug 12, 2011 2:25 AM annon annon  says: in response to random

"People here do not even know what poverty can be and how it has broken backs of entire generations." ~

Can't agree more and don't understand why people open their big mouth without knowing anything. Discussion should be focused on how they want to protect american jobs and may be on argument why cheap labor should not be allowed in US etc. Why to comment what you don't know? Discussion here never should turn to those directions, as even Don has no agenda there.

It is so funny when I see when hungry poor homeless here ask and beg for money and then buy beer and cigerette from gas station. If they are thirsty they beg $1.5 and buy pepsi from vending machine and roam around with torn nike shoes. And then claim I'm working so hard but I'm poor! Howmany times did you see an young homeless american poor kid preparing for exams in street lights? You will find them in every topper list in Indian exams.

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Aug 12, 2011 2:33 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to annon

"It is so funny when I see when hungry poor homeless here ask and beg for money and then buy beer and cigerette from gas station"

LOL....the beggars in India also do that.....Many laborers squander their meager daily earnings on alcohol at the end of the day. In fact, it is their children that work as domestic servants or office boys since the mother does not know how to feed them absent the father's support.

The toppers in Indian exams most definitely have had several hours of extra coaching everyday day after regular school at an expense to their families. They are definitely not the poor.

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Aug 12, 2011 3:31 AM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says: in response to random

Your story is endearing, it sounds exactly like what my dad did (graduating High school in East Texas in the late 1920's).

And on that, he spent the next 10 years in and out of a job because of the Great Depression.

You cannot succeed by taking anything in an apathetic way.  My dad's generation learned it the hard way.  Doing nothing (the Hoover way) just made things worse, sitting on our hands during the start of WWII, just emboldened Nazi Germany and Japan.

Were not that way anymore, and frankly, we are not going to be that way in regards to the discriminatory hiring practices of offshore Outsourcing companies.

It is a fact, that pressure to hire U.S. workers was put upon Japanese companies coming in to the United States.  I worked several years for Japanese Electronics giant, and was simply interviewed and hired as part of a fair and open hiring process, along with many other U.S. engineers.  The Japanese U.S. relationship flowered into a beautiful and complementary relationship.

There is hope that the same will occur with China.  And my reasoning is this, China feeds its people and is encouraging a middle class.  Most bigotry has its roots in poverty, this was shown by study by the Southern Poverty Law Center (a Civil Rights giant in the United States).  Unfortunately I don't see that happening in India, in fact I see the opposite, where poverty caused by corruption could create a bad scenario.

Odd that your statement of starving your way to school mirrors this.  Please search your conscience to make sure that this does not affect your opinion of Americans when you go hire someone at your company.

One way out for India would be to increase Social Studies, this might be a way to counter it.  I know that in the U.S. this has been a focus, and it does have good affect.

We cannot be apathetic towards foreign outsourcing companies.  Activism on this issue is the only way to ensure that real-competitiveness based upon U.S. Civil Rights and Labor law is maintained in the U.S. job market.

Unfortunately, outsourcing companies have strategic and monetary reasons to scoff at and then violate U.S. labor laws.  Allowing that to continue, will create whirl-wind of disgust (the scoff-trocity) whereby people will be succeeding by violating the law.  And that will lead to an organized crime mentality in the IT Industry, which we must do everything to thwart now, while it is in its infancy.

U.S. Labor and Civil Rights law are nothing more than the common sense way to approach hiring.  You need to pay a minimum wage in order to ensure the health and hygiene of your workers.  You need Civil Rights to ensure that employers actually take qualifications that matter into consideration when hiring.

Everyone know there are social pressures within ethnic groups that cause people to hire unfairly.  People spend 40 hours a week on the job, they spend 128 hours with their families and community.  If their community and family harbor cultural or nationalistic favoritism, who do you think will get their resume at the top of the list.  Who Do You Think will have their resumes thrown out? 

Unless we have sufficient enforcement to make it too costly to engage in such bigotry.

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Aug 12, 2011 4:55 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to It is

because Americans never think to apply for any position in Infosys (for that matter any company with Indian origin) and later complain they discriminate...

Where are you getting your information that Americans are not applying to Infosys ? To repeat what has been posted before, an Indian American employee sued Infosys for discriminating against her as they thought she was "too American" among other discriminatory tactics.

How is it Japanese companies, German companies, Dutch companies etc all have no trouble hiring from the local population here in the US (I have worked for some of them), while you claim that somehow Infosys has trouble hiring anything more than 10% of its workforce from the local applicants ? How long has Infosys been doing business in the US ? Over 10 years ? How is it American companies have no trouble hiring local people in India ? I thought Indian businesses were now setting a world standard for "ethics" No ?

Maybe as part of the lawsuit Infosys should be made to disclose the breakdown of applicants and why their workforce does not reflect the demographics of their local environment.

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Aug 12, 2011 5:00 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to annon

Howmany times did you see an young homeless american poor kid preparing for exams in street lights? You will find them in every topper list in Indian exams.

So I am to take it that your "observation" of people under streetlights is some kind of a critical analysis of Americans being lazy ?

Such utter condescending BS. Read this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Murray

She was homeless and made it to Harvard. Her life was the subject of a movie. There are several other examples . You just have the usual arrogant attitude that I have seen that somehow Americans aren't deserving and hard working.

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Aug 12, 2011 5:21 AM sealteam30 sealteam30  says: in response to SealTeam6

I'm not taking any credit from her. However she is nothing like trend you see here.

She had Humanities Preparatory Academy in Chelsea, Manhattan, New York Times scholarship and then movies and what not.

However if you are so much sensitive about stereotyping and arrogant attitude never open your big mouth again then.

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Aug 12, 2011 5:29 AM annon annon  says: in response to SealTeam6

The problem with stupid like you is -

You stereotype first against someone.....

then someone reply/points out what similar bad things might be there with you too.....

then you search entire google and come up with one example and then behave as if you smarta$$ proved everyone else wrong.....

With such logical sense you are what you are today spending whole day in  blogs. Anywhere else you'll be kicked out for your stupidity.

Sameway you can win argument by searching few muslim terrorist names in internet and prove that all muslims are terrorist. That's always is problem with your type.

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Aug 12, 2011 5:35 AM Same Same  says: in response to SealTeam6

place from where you get your information...

You said "They recruit Greencard holders or naturalized US citizens of Indian origin." and in the next comment you say "Indian American employee sued Infosys for discriminating against her as they thought she was "too American" among other discriminatory tactics."

Don't you think both contridict each and it means you interpret the way you wanted to and you paint the way you wanted to. Companies don't set policy on whom to recruit...it is all with the person who recruit for the company.

"Maybe as part of the lawsuit Infosys should be made to disclose the breakdown of applicants and why their workforce does not reflect the demographics of their local environment."

I would say apply this to all companies and see how they reflect demographics of their local environment.

Do you know why "The unemployment rate among blacks in the U.S. is about 16 percent, with the figure much higher among black men, coming in at 17.5 percent and for black teens it's 41 percent." how is it not same across all races in US.

from http://www.hinterlandgazette.com/2011/06/unemployment-rates-for-blacks-in-us-16.html

Do you accept there is discrimination in American companies on hiring?

Why is that always or most in upper management in IT is filled with only Whites...is it because they are the one eligible for that or because they are the only race in US highly qualified for those positions.

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Aug 12, 2011 5:37 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to sealteam30

I just hope that some inarticulate buffoons like you are called as "character witnesses" for Infosys... such utterly incomprehensible language and insanity/inanity in your posts. You were proved wrong. QED

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Aug 12, 2011 5:40 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to Same

So you are saying the 90% Indian employees at Infosys reflects what passed their interviewing process ? Yes or no ?

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Aug 12, 2011 5:56 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to Same

Don't you think both contridict each and it means you interpret the way you wanted to and you paint the way you wanted to. Companies don't set policy on whom to recruit...it is all with the person who recruit for the company.

No contradiction. The interpretation is as long as the candidates were "culturally Indian" and Americans only by citizenship, they were deemed acceptable. If you read her lawsuit, she was mocked for celebrating American cultural events and festivals.

I disagree. It is very obvious that companies do set policy on whom to recruit. Infosys has taken it to new levels/depths, violating a number of laws.

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Aug 12, 2011 6:08 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to Same

Why is that always or most in upper management in IT is filled with only Whites...is it because they are the one eligible for that or because they are the only race in US highly qualified for those positions.

How many Indians are there in America vs White or other races in terms of %. Is Honda USA run by majority Japanese executives ? Is Coca Cola India run by majority Americans ?

Anyway, this has all been made pretty clear . All the remoraesque posters here just spout the usual talking points trying to divert/dodge/disrupt/ the original content of the thread (WTF has somebody studying under a street light in India got to do with Infosys USA ? or Muslim terrorists ? SMH )

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Aug 12, 2011 6:46 AM And And  says: in response to SealTeam6

also 10% Americans....

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Aug 12, 2011 6:50 AM I don't I don't  says: in response to SealTeam6

buy whatever put in any lawsuit until the court decides it...

There was a lawsuit about Obama was not a US citizen...just because some idiot with money decide to sue some one it doesn't make them right. Keep your lawsuit examples with you and come with the court verdict.

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Aug 12, 2011 6:52 AM And And  says: in response to SealTeam6

you decided to dodge the question on

"Do you know why "The unemployment rate among blacks in the U.S. is about 16 percent, with the figure much higher among black men, coming in at 17.5 percent and for black teens it's 41 percent." how is it not same across all races in US."

is that because you wanted to divert content of the thread ?

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Aug 12, 2011 7:12 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to And

What has the unemployment of Black Americans/Hispanic Americans/Chinese Americans/ got to do with the Infosys lawsuit. Explain that to me. Thios is what I mean by diverting. This thread is not about some social dissection of America. Just about Infosys. Is that too hard to comprehend. You guys ever take part in public speaking/debate ? I would say not.

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Aug 12, 2011 7:45 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to An Employee.

Almost 90% of the people that are recruited here in US are ethnically indians. They recruit Greencard holders or naturalized US citizens of Indian origin. In fact, people that sit on the panel have been advised to overlook candidates of American/american african origin.

This doesn't surprise me in the least. I've read the same about Infosys from other sources. This is why Infosys and other such companies are never truly international companies. Just take a look at the breakdown of the employees in their international development centers. You wouldn't for a moment feel you are in the country hosting them.

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Aug 12, 2011 8:33 AM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says: in response to And

SealTeam, you hit the critical thing.  Why are ~90% of InfoSys's U.S. Engineering workforce, here on Visa and virtually all from one country?

I would like all you InfoSys darlings to answer that.

It clearly shows that InfoSys has a closed hiring process for jobs on U.S. soil.  If you are ethnically a U.S. citizen, you are (virtually always) not allowed to compete for InfoSys jobs on U.S. soil.

Look when a person has to obey the laws of their country.  IE, only work for minimum wage or higher, and an employer uses that as the reason to hire people from another country to do work at sub-minimum wage in the country. 

They are practicing bigotry, pure and simple, and breaking U.S. law at the same time!

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Aug 12, 2011 9:19 AM Now Now  says: in response to SealTeam6

we get it...why you always want to speak/answer only issues you have question than answer...(public speaking 101...Never accept others view..which means you failed in the whole argument....Never give direct answer instead throw questions to other sides to answer and never give any chance for them to question you)

Now let me get into your question...

"What has the unemployment of Black Americans/Hispanic Americans/Chinese Americans/ got to do with the Infosys lawsuit."

You see this issue as Infosys discrimination on US citizens but I see this issue is there in every company but in different format/color.

It is the basic culture in all corporates across the world. The person who shortlist...the person who takes initial interview...the person who takes technical interview and the person who finally decide to offer ....those are the key people who decides what kind of people can get the job.

If you are sitting in a panel then for sure you won't even consider anyone other than American because you have the attitude of seeing every individual as race and country of birth rather what he can offer to the company/position. If you question you on what basis you reject someone...for sure you won't say the truth...'because he is of color skin I didn't shortlist him or because he is Indian I didn't shortlist him"...all you will say is he is not having all required skills needed for the job and company will/has take your response because they have trust you. Basically people like you have prejudice on every kind of person and will go with only people of your kind or of your liking.

If Infosys has 10k employees in US at least 1000 are of pure US citizens...and then why don't those 1000 employees raise their voice and tell their management 'stop this stupid behavior ...this is discrimination' and if all 1000 join together and file a lawsuit (read lawsuit filed by Walmart women's...) no way Infosys can defend them in court. No company can do any kind of discrimination when every employee resists involving in it.

This issue is like pest in your farm...don't just use pesticide in one plant and claim pest issue is over. You have to kill every pest in the farm and have to use pesticide across the farm not on single plant.

You are very short sighted about the issue...it is happening across the sector on different level and race. Just you got fired from a company by a guest worker don't see all the issue from tunneled vision. That won't solve the problem it will just shift from one place to another.

This is not debate of who wins or who lose or who is right or who is wrong...it is about view of where the problem starts and at what level to fix it where to start. It is every individual in a company has to play important role in resolving this...every  person has to take oath to themselves'I won't discriminate anyone and I won't play any role in discrimination and I will put all effort to fight against it.'

Again I won't just pass judgment on a company based on lawsuit until it completes the full course in legal system.

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Aug 12, 2011 9:22 AM To answer To answer  says: in response to Jake_Leone

that you want to start from why those 10% Americans not raising against this discrimination...and why do they taking part in discriminating their own country people.

It clearly shows there is no such policy of closed hiring.

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Aug 12, 2011 9:38 AM jobs4US jobs4US  says: in response to SealTeam6

Bingo... The matter at hand, criminal charges and legal actions against Infosys are crystal clear.

Bridging to unrelated, emotionally charged issues is a waste of everyone's time.

Fact: Infosys has been charged with the misuse of visas by sending foreign citizens to work in the United States without the proper visa authorizations.  

Fact: According to US Law, Fraud and misuse of visas is a FELONY CRIMINAL offense.  Violators shall be fined under this title or imprisoned  not more than 25 years 

Fact: According to US law, USCIS INA ACT 237,  misuse of visas is a deportable offense.

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Aug 12, 2011 10:01 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to Now

If Infosys has 10k employees in US at least 1000 are of pure US citizens...and then why don't those 1000 employees raise their voice and tell their management 'stop this stupid behavior ...this is discrimination' and if all 1000 join together and file a lawsuit (read lawsuit filed by Walmart women's...) no way Infosys can defend them in court. No company can do any kind of discrimination when every employee resists involving in it.

That is a good question. But that is not how the law works.. i.e that it should wait for all of them to voice a concern. The fact is somebody has raised a concern, a very serious concern.

I could draw the analogy from your own colonial history. At its peak the British empire had about 100,000 British troops in India ruling a nation of 100 million (at that time). Why is it so many couldn't overthrow by sheer numbers the minute British numbers ? Why did it take 200+ years ? Did that mean that 100 million were happy ? That the ones who rebelled against the British were just a few discontents ? See what I mean ? Just because only a few voice a concern doesn't mean that the majority who don't are happy.

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Aug 12, 2011 10:03 AM Jobs4US Jobs4US  says: in response to Jake_Leone

Offensive anti-American remarks reinforce a sad cultural trend, illustrated by India's bestselling business book..

Musings on the popularity of Mein Kampf By Satya Sivaraman
"What sells on Indian railway platforms is, I believe, a good indicator of what the average, train-travelling middle classes want in life... The popularity in India of Mein Kampf that bible of social and political intolerance, is not a new phenomenon".http://infochangeindia.org/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=7875

Mein Kampf India - Hitler's Motivational Self-Help Bookhttp://www.huffingtonpost.ca/tag/mein-kampf-india

Hitler's Mein Kampf Seen As Self-Help Guide For India's Business Students http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/22/hitlers-mein-kampf-seen-a_n_190064.html

Hitler's "Mein Kamp" a Bestseller in India's B-Schools http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/04/indian-business-students-snap-up-copies-of-mein-kampfsales-of-mein-kampf-adolf-hitlers-autobiography-and-apologia-for-his-an.html

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Aug 12, 2011 10:05 AM jake_leone jake_leone  says: in response to To answer

It clearly show there is a policy of closed hiring. 

Why do you try to defend such a clearly indefensible position?

The 10% americans who work on U.S. soil are afraid of the 90% from the "home" country (that also work on U.S. soil) getting them kicked out of a job and black-listed.

Man, if that's your best answer, I feel sorry for you.

You definetely should let someone else, with some actual brain-power, speak up for your side, before you ruin it for them.

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Aug 12, 2011 10:15 AM Is it not Is it not  says: in response to SealTeam6

the same policy America follow in Mexican border

sample for you

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/08/world/main6562186.shtml

Unfortunately India doesn't have Borders (book shop!!!) to close like US, we will open Borders (book shop!!!) so that we can proudly close it later.

And another new information for you....in India you can't have private jails (detention centers!!!) like US ....so we don't have corruptions by judges like you guys have in US...

"Ciavarella was found guilty in February of 12 of 39 racketeering and fraud charges for accepting millions of dollars in bribes from friends who owned detention centers to which he sent juveniles."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/12/pennsylvania.judge.sentenced/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

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Aug 12, 2011 10:32 AM Hmmm Hmmm  says: in response to Jobs4US

It seems you got discriminated based on your age when you got fired, nothing to do with cheap labor there.

Is it not America has ADEA to protect you? oh...those are laws just in books and they always disobeyed and when you don't speak up then don't pass the buck on immigrants..that is unfair.

Are you reclaiming your dream in Don't blog by posting as much racial comments as possible....is this called as American Dream ????....really feel sorry to know you completly misunderstood your own country dream.

You  have lot to speak out in US...age discrimination in IT, discrimination on currently unemployed, race discrimination (African-Americans) in IT.......immigrants are not the starting point.

And Don's blog is not starting point..your starting point is from your elected officials....oh..who am I to suggest you those...you are highly educated, well qualified and skilled person (but still come back to this blog to fix those issues....may be it is easy to post comment here than...taking your butt out of your couch right!!!!...as always take the easiest path even if it can acheive nothing...)

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Aug 12, 2011 10:35 AM It is It is  says: in response to SealTeam6

because Americans never think to apply for any position in Infosys (for that matter any company with Indian origin) and later complain they discriminate...

Still you agree there are 10% Americans work in Infosys right..better ask them why they work there and why can't you guys can't join them.

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Aug 12, 2011 10:38 AM annon annon  says: in response to SealTeam6

"So your comments about the "anti-immigrant" talk here is pretty hypocritical when the Indian government acts with such impunity back in your own country."

The problem for you is US government has no such anti-immigrant policy. Stopping illegal immigrants trying to infiltrate border is totally different thing. In US that is sponsored through extra income from H1 visa fee. So in other words actually H1 people are proitecting your borders from those immigrants. It is you who is anti-immigrant and talking that way here and thinking US govt will become same. Dream on!!

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Aug 12, 2011 10:40 AM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says: in response to An Employee.

What's it going to take to make sure InfoSys abides by U.S. Civil Rights Laws?

The truth is, to InfoSys, being a U.S. citizen is an ethnic class, and we are not worthy.  This company is massively discriminating against people based upon their ethnicity.  I want to live in a country that is free of discrimination.

I want every company that comes into the United States to cast aside all stereotypes and hire fairly.  I want my children to know that they have an equal opportunity for every job, what do I tell them? 

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Aug 12, 2011 10:48 AM Take Take  says: in response to Jake_Leone

just tell them to work hard and everything will fall in place....

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Aug 12, 2011 12:08 PM An Employee. An Employee.  says:

The company chairman is a glib tongued two faced devil. Of all founders and execs...I would rate him as the #1 crook. He never fails to lecture on the ethics, probity, simplicity and humbleness. But goes on to invest in a microfinance institution that sucks blood from the people that comprise the lowest strata of the society. In fact it was embroiled in corporate governance allegations.

I am aware of their malpractices in California. They don't respect the  overtime laws out here. There is blatant violation. I reported it to HR and the HR person instead of investigating on the issue, asked me to contact my Delivery Manager who is # 1 crook. They are just interested in their profit margin and least bothered about respecting the law of the land. If am provided protection, I can provide details that will nail them in the overtime law as well.

Almost 90% of the people that are recruited here in US are ethnically indians. They recruit Greencard holders or naturalized US citizens of Indian origin. In fact, people that sit on the panel have been advised to overlook candidates of American/american african origin.

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Aug 12, 2011 12:32 PM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to An Employee.

You can contact DOL.

Check Brightfuturejobs.com. The site seems to have lots of info.

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Aug 12, 2011 12:36 PM random random  says: in response to Take

yeah. I went to school with one class room under a tree with one master - walking 5 km in oversize sandal (pass on from elder bro) - in heat/rain - mostly empty stomach - writing double line on single line piece of paper to save lead/paper, studying with lantern and only studying because I got scholarship which paid for some food, and then studying for 6 to 8 hrs in college every single day - right thru junior college, engineering and masters.

  My daughter has LCD projector, computers - well stocked library, cafeteria, expensive toys, in School. Car and big buses to ferry them 1 mile - Hold one. she has 'Lunch Mommies' also. :).

You know what 'Lunch Mommies' do.

This is the kind of head start children in developed countries have. 

Still they want Mommy's Skirt (a.k.a some one to save their 'American dream').

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Aug 12, 2011 12:41 PM annon annon  says: in response to Jake_Leone

Do you think greedy corporate leaders have any agenda on ethnicity?

They hire for all business reasons. If for some reasons tomorrow US employees offer any values to Infosys - do you think they will care about hiring Indian ethnicity? No they don't give a damn to Indians ethnicty or anything it is strictly business.

So it is market economics and situation driven. Law can becaome different to protect interests of americans - that is different issue. No way you can blame company like Infosys to hire what they want. Americans are too expensive to what value they offer.

So you have to say, stay away of america - we don't want to compete with you. You can't just say please give us extra protection from your own competition and blame them if they don't.

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Aug 12, 2011 12:52 PM annon annon  says: in response to jobs4US

"The Queen speaking:   "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Google it to see why this matters now "

I googled and found "insist so passionately about something not being true that people suspect the opposite of what one is saying."

It gives me a picture of old obsolete programmer who is good for nothing and can't compete with immigrants and then trying hard in blogs to badmouth them while their own lawmakers are not supporting him either.

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Aug 13, 2011 1:11 AM tired of thugs tired of thugs  says: in response to jake_leone

I am tired of these guys jake and seal showing their some kind of moral up.

my ceo hires whites - only from one school - he is an alumni.

those of us who are not from that school are their by accident, but only organized hiring is WHITES Only and that too from a particular school. Second choice are his neighbours, old colleagues and relatives (Only Whites). Third - well there is no third choice.

My last company was also like that. These people will worship Jesus and while saying J...e....s...u.....s  will put a curved knife into their colleagues/neighbours/most of their family and then rotate the knife hile reaching the 's' of Jesus.

so let us not get into any moral issues here. we know how much bastards each race is (including mine - i don't deny that i think i have enuf honesty for that).

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Aug 13, 2011 1:26 AM jobs4us jobs4us  says: in response to Fair

Your comments are so off-base.

What part of fair chance for AMERICAN CITIZENS don't you understand?  American citizens represent every race, religion, and national origin on earth. 

Today, American Citizens, people who have paid our dues and our taxes, are deprived an equal opportunity to compete for jobs in our own country. 

Here's what the US Justice Department says:

The Department of Justice is recommending that Congress re-write H1-b law, requiring companies to seek local talent first and "to hire any equally or better qualified US workers who apply."

They are concerned that "US workers...have been impermissibly replaced by H1-b visa holders and identify employers who may be engaged in a pattern or practice of discrimination against US workers." www.brightfuturejobs.com

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Aug 13, 2011 1:40 AM jobs4us jobs4us  says: in response to Fair

Something has been lost in translation.  Let me spell this out as clear as I can...

It appears you have misunderstood/misread/misstated/misused my comments to bridge to your agenda.

"Whoever comments here never visited Washington DC and never understood how politics work in US".

This is silly. You know nothing about me and what difference does it make if I visited DC? 

And, what makes you qualified to (mis)interpret US law, politics, and civil rights to meet your agenda?

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Aug 13, 2011 3:23 AM hireamerica--Know indianculture hireamerica--Know indianculture  says:

Hireamerican:

Indians don't have any Honestry left in their Blood, they are dishonest people--Moreover all the people who are commenting here are INFOSYS  employees and they know very well that

Once Infosys falls: rest will follow--This is how Indian system works, have you seen Latest Commonwealth Games Fraud?

It all started with small Expose---then it became a Colossal Fraud..

Whole INDIAN system is Fraud---Indians are Bottomfeeders and they have neither shame nor guilt in cheating anyone

this is how they survive--people in asia --especially in singapore INDIANS are known as Marble Mouthed Liars and scamsters of ASIA..

They will wreck Entire USA and Loot as much as they can

During Iraq war--Lot of Indian News papers are Boasting about the INDIANS in Kuwait coming back to INDIA with Gold Ornaments in Pockets and Gold vaults.

There is an Indians who was sensationaized in INDIAN media for Looting 60 Kg Gold from Kuwait and was Honored by the STATE cheif Minister for accomplishing such an act

Recently In LONDON Riots --40 Indian Youths were arrested and Most of them were Looting Ornament shops in Liverpool and UK..

Watch out for INdians --they will do the same in USA pretty soon

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Aug 13, 2011 3:40 AM RandomFoolish Indian RandomFoolish Indian  says: in response to random

Murthy even Became Billionaire by Licking Sm.Krishnas feet and annexing Lands in Entire  country..

Sudha  murthy has been charged with sex trade in chicago in 1986..

Narayana murthy was caught by bulgarian police for sex trafficking ...

Interesting thing is that

Infosys founders like Satyams founders were criminals

Satyams founder Ramalingaraju's father is a Land Mafia Don in

Andhrapradesh--he got Kickbacks from Chandra babu Naidu -


Just like Murthy got Kickbacks from Pimping SM Krishna

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Aug 13, 2011 7:56 AM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says: in response to hireamerica--Know indianculture

Your commentary on Indian people is complete BS.

It reflects no cause or affect, does not reflect how people India really, and offers nothing but bigoted comments.

Look, I know a lot of people who are from India, and you commentary is pure flame bait.

Look I am not pro-InfoSys on this issue, nor am I pro the current immigration and Visa system, but I do respect other peoples, cultures, and countries.  So no way will I allow such bigotry go unchallenged.

You are completely wrong.

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Aug 13, 2011 8:01 AM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says: in response to hireamerica--Know indianculture

Look, the U.S. can control its own destiny in terms of how we issue Visa and how we administer our immigration system.

We don't have to tie Visa's to trade, nor should we.

And we can (And Should) tax Visa usage to pay for the cost of enforcing our Visa and immigration laws.  And to dissuage any form of discrimination that IS occuring as a result of how companies (both foreign and domestic) are abusing the visa system.

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Aug 13, 2011 9:21 AM And And  says: in response to SealTeam6

not all of them has to sue...at least 10 in 1000 can't speak up for them ?

So all you got is one girl that to Indian origin speaking for whole America...either you guys (working in Infosys) are cowards or decided to take part in whatever discrimination Infosys wanted to. I think Don has to release all their names too in his blog.

You are war analogy is stupid to be compared and you have no clue what you are speaking...they could survive 200yrs because out of those 100 million at least 20million where in favor of British and rest of the people are not even having any rights in their own place. And India was not single country when British conquered...there was no India as such...it was ruled by 100s of local people (some are kings ..some are just rich in that area).

But here in this case there is no one is holding those Americans to speak up. No one can stop you from whatever conclusion you want to, you keep claiming educated...but you don't understand the basics of law...just someone sues doesn't mean it is correct.

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Aug 13, 2011 9:32 AM Seriously Seriously  says: in response to Jobs4US

are you educated....I doubt it...

So now you are trying to paint all Indians are anti-americans just because they are reading book of Hitler's....did you read beyond the heading...I doubt it.

here is what it has in the link and you conveniently decided to hide it...

Booksellers told Great Britain's The Daily Telegraph that while it is regarded in most countries as a 'Nazi Bible', in India it is considered a management guide in the mould of Spencer Johnson's "Who Moved My Cheese".

"They see it as a kind of success story where one man can have a vision, work out a plan on how to implement it and then successfully complete it".

Now you should know why you got fired...you see people with your sic mind which is filled with seterotyping...race and hate..you may have high skill but to work in any company you should be of decent human being...which is missing in you.

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Aug 13, 2011 11:08 AM Really!!! Really!!!  says: in response to jobs4us

"What part of fair chance for AMERICAN CITIZENS don't you understand?  American citizens represent every race, religion, and national origin on earth. "

Really!!!! you think American citizens in IT represent every race,religion and national origin on earth ?

To bring you down to real world..here is some real world statement and statistics....

Processing Association online journal (2001), Timothy Wilson, an African American in the information technology workforce asks, Am I the only one here? While America's workforce is becoming

increasingly more brown and female, the work environment in information technology and web development departments in most organizations is still dominated by white men. In many cases, women and minorities are almost non-existent....You would think that, after thirty-seven years since the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as a nation we would somehow have figured

out how to view one another by the content of our character,instead of the color of our skin,'.

Despite the fact that minorities make up a full quarter of the national workforce, they compose only 7% of the Information Technology (IT) workforce (Thibodeau & Holohan, 2000).

In 2003, ITAA published a report on the status of minorities in the IT workforce. According to their data, African Americans represent nearly eleven percent of the overall US workforce, but

their participation in the IT workforce declined from 9.1% to 8.2% between 1996 and 2002.

Not only is overall underrepresentation an issue, but minorities in the IT industry tend to be employed in jobs that require less education, are lower in status, and lower in monetary compensation. African Americans, for instance, are overrepresented in occupations such as computer operators (13.4%) and data entry keyers (17.1%) which are deemed low status and underrepresented in high status occupations such as electrical and electronic engineers (5.3%), computer systems analysts and scientists (7.1%) and computer programmers (5.4%).

Timothy A. Wilson (2001) examined the racial divide by highlighting data from two particular job titles in the IT field. For both job titles-'Operations Systems Researchers and Analysts' and 'Computer Systems Analysts and Scientists' the ratio of whites to African Americans was 10 to 1, and the ratio of whites to Hispanics was 25 to 1. He noted that, 'of the 207,000 positions in Operations Research, whites occupy 86.6% or 179,262 of them, compared to 8.0% and 3.5% for African Americans and Hispanics,' (Wilson, 2001, para.6). For the Computer Systems Analysts and Scientists job title, African Americans and Hispanics fared slightly worse, netting a total of only 7.2% African American and 2.5% Hispanics. In this particular instance, women held 28% of the jobs.

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Aug 13, 2011 11:15 AM Another Another  says: in response to jobs4us

classic example of your level of understanding of US politics.

"The Department of Justice is recommending that Congress re-write H1-b law, requiring companies to seek local talent first and "to hire any equally or better qualified US workers who apply."

So, the moment DoJ recomments (read it ...just a recommendation) you think whole House and Senate going to pass it as Law !!! This is why I commented before "Whoever comments here never visited Washington DC and never understood how politics work in US"

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Aug 13, 2011 11:17 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to SealTeam6

HireAmerica: This comment is faked under my handle

I figured it wouldn't be long before one you bottom feeders would try to hijack an id here and try to fake comments... The ugliness shows through. Not to mention the crude syntax. You couldn't even try to mimic my vocabulary or style. Go away.

It is getting to the point now that the Infosys trolls are showing their nastiness that we may need logins to protect our identities.

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Aug 13, 2011 11:22 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to Really!!!

Please don't conflate ethnicties with citizenship. The issue here is the onsidied foreign worker makeup of Infosys USA.  You are just clouding the issue with the racial stats. First Infosys has to correct that. Then we can talk the other issues.

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Aug 13, 2011 11:27 AM And And  says: in response to jobs4us

"This is silly. You know nothing about me and what difference does it make if I visited DC? "

I don't have to know you to know your capability...your words speaks more than what you wanted to share...

"what difference does it make if I visited DC? "

If you tell every one about how easy farm work is... with and without working single day in farm....that much difference.

"And, what makes you qualified to (mis)interpret US law, politics, and civil rights to meet your agenda?"

Experience makes me (not mis)interpret US law..politics and civil right...and I have no agenda...If you think just because you born in US would give all those knowledge then I am sorry to wake you up from your dream.

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Aug 13, 2011 11:28 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to SealTeam6

So, the moment DoJ recomments (read it ...just a recommendation) you think whole House and Senate going to pass it as Law !!

What happens when it gets to COngress is a complex issue. But what the DoJ recommendation does show is that they are aware that there is a serious imbalance being created by companies that are using the H1-B. So when more and more such cases of violations come in front of them, they will be much more attuned to looking carefully at it. This itself is a big step. The Supreme Court does have the capacity to invalidate unfair laws. So if someone does file a lawsuit questioning the legality of the H1-B bill, the Supreme Court can invalidate it. Note what happened with Heller Vs DC. All it takes is one well put together case.

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Aug 13, 2011 11:30 AM ya...you are right ya...you are right  says: in response to SealTeam6

lets put every discrimination issue under the rug...we all pretent there is no discrimination in US IT industry...so that White American keep thier high paying job and rest of the race(s) struggle....

Keep up your diversity...

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Aug 13, 2011 11:34 AM When is When is  says: in response to SealTeam6

that well put together case will be filed !!!!

Make sure there is well put together case on discrimination across IT industry...

You may want to start praying....it is happens within this century...

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Aug 13, 2011 11:40 AM By the By the  says: in response to SealTeam6

way I would like to wake you up on Heller Vs DC....

DC got the rights to own hand gun..but there is no place in DC (as of now) you can get gun license...

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Aug 13, 2011 11:41 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to Seriously

Decent human beings will never use fake resumes and fake experience to displace honest hard working Americans out of jobs in their own country!!

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Aug 13, 2011 11:49 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to By the

I feel like I'm having a "discussion" with somebody with autism. You take things in a manner that I don't see people with normal cognitive skills do.The point was one man took on a 3 year old city law and had the Supreme Court overturn it. Justice Scalia's ruling was an interesting read.Oh and as regards getting a license...D.C. police department sets up gun dealer in its headquarters

The District of Columbia has cleared the way for its lone licensed gun dealer to set up shop in police headquarters, an unusual short-term fix to a problem that has left the city with a de facto ban on handguns and vulnerable to lawsuits by gun rights groups.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/20/dcs-fix-set-up-a-gun-shop-in-police-hq/

After 30 years of living with one set of laws it takes a while for the new process to get underway.

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Aug 13, 2011 11:52 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to When is

that well put together case will be filed !!!! Make sure there is well put together case on discrimination across IT industry... You may want to start praying....it is happens within this century

Actually I hear a guy named Palmer filed a well put together lawsuit about discrimination in the IT industry. Looks like you missed that story.

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Aug 13, 2011 12:04 PM decent decent  says: in response to hireamerica

human being won't visit a place (blog/forum) where he/she got certifided as 'Nonsense' and once they are declared nonsense and indecent they are nothing to that place (blog/forum)...

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Aug 13, 2011 12:10 PM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to hireamerica

You better shut your a@$ mouth and go away

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Aug 13, 2011 12:15 PM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to decent

Address the fake resumes and fake exerience. Are you going to deny it? Or not? Let's get to the bottom of this.

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Aug 13, 2011 12:16 PM Yahoooo Yahoooo  says:

Congratulations Don for getting 200 comments despite deleting couple of them!!!

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Aug 13, 2011 12:17 PM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to SealTeam6

My my...getting testy, eh? The mere mention of fake resumes and fake experience :P

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Aug 13, 2011 12:19 PM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to SealTeam6

Not to mention fake ID :P

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Aug 13, 2011 12:23 PM jake_leone jake_leone  says: in response to tired of thugs

You are just some idiot troll.  You are so bad, that I don't even think you really represent your point of view. 

You might be some idiot trying to rile people into posting with greater frequency.

If there was any intelligence to what you are writing, I might think you were real, but obviously you are a fake.

The only thing is, I would like to see more of the intelligent pro-InfoSys/visa posters shoot this fool down, because the person is obviously insulting them as well as us.

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Aug 13, 2011 12:34 PM random random  says: in response to jake_leone

there is no pint getting all worked up. as for infy supporter i advise them to see anupam kher and praveen dabaas in ghosla.

jaisi bimari waisa ilaaz. you can easily get pi's to see what naughty stuff almer, mendelsohn and tennant have been upto.

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Aug 13, 2011 12:38 PM jake_leone jake_leone  says: in response to tired of thugs

You are like that thing on Star Trek (TOS), that tries to keep the Klingons and Federation at war. 

Well only "A fool fights on a burning ship", Ha ha ha....

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Aug 13, 2011 12:44 PM jobs4US jobs4US  says: in response to Seriously

I am trying to understand why people feel the ongoing need to post degrading comments against American citizens on this blog. It is impossible for me to understand why anyone would revere the philosophies of the worst monster in modern history.  All men and women are created equal.  

Americans deserve a fair chance to compete for jobs in our own country. 

Today, employers can legally discriminate against US citizens and exclusively recruit offshore, even if a qualified American wants the job. . Thanks to Bill Gates, convicted felon Jack Abramoff, and a paid off Congress, US H-1b law allows employers to bypass US citizens and exclusively recruit offshore.   This unfair law deprives US citizens a fair chance to compete for jobs in our own country.  The law  laws deprive US citizens a fair chance to compete for jobs in our own country. 

Certainly India's citizens are given a fair chance to compete for jobs in India....  

Americans citizens are from every race, religion, and national origin on earth.   Each and every one of us deserve a fair chance to compete for jobs in our own country. Today's work visa laws and policies deprive Americans this opportunity.

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Aug 13, 2011 12:45 PM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to SealTeam6

whatever :P

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Aug 13, 2011 12:53 PM Fair Fair  says: in response to jobs4US

chance not at the cost of others life and dignity...

Fair chance not at the way Americans(read it Whites) wanted...so that only Americans can get job.

Fair chance not at the cost of all other races in US but White.

You are asking for zero competion from any other race...which is not going to happen and never acheive until your congress is filled with like minded people like you.

You and SealTeam6 is not America...and Don is not US president (do really he has any power other than veto) to decide who is right and wrong.

Whoever comments here never visited Washington DC and never understood how politics work in US.

Few people in Congress can stall the country growth but if you want to acheive anything you need to have majorty in House and Senate agree to your view that will never happen when you come with racial mentality..kill one Indian company mentaillity...you should come with a solution which can address industry issue as a whole (racial discrimination is unwritten law in IT industry...no matter what company you speak...including Infosys) rather one company as target.

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Aug 14, 2011 1:00 AM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to seal

Actually if you came 4000 miles from India , you wouldn't be in the US. Hilarious... Lost as usual. You guys are a regular comedy crew. Minus the humor.

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Aug 14, 2011 1:04 AM skllj skllj  says: in response to SealTeam6

Chutiye

suffer the consequences. Oh.....i am so afraid, turd of seal has told me this. I am going to die. Chutiya has told me - i am going to suffer the consequences.

Chutiye - u worry about urself. turd of seal.

Chutye - i see 100's of chutiyas like u every day.

try to make a distinction between ur bottom hole and top hole.

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Aug 14, 2011 1:06 AM ljlj ljlj  says: in response to SealTeam6

"ctually if you came 4000 miles from India , you wouldn't be in the US. Hilarious... Lost as usual. You guys are a regular comedy crew. Minus the humor."

oh yeah - where will we be, chutiye. please tell us

we are here and will kick ur chutiya arse right here, right in your back yard.

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Aug 14, 2011 1:14 AM lkljkk lkljkk  says: in response to ljlj

infy has already kicked ur chutiya good for nothing arse.

whatever is balance - others will do it.

chutiya is scaring ppl with made up laws or "to be enacted" laws. Chutiya seal team - thinks himself to be a seal, chutiya turd of a seal.

if we start getting scared of chutiyas like u, then we would not be here.

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Aug 14, 2011 1:29 AM hkjkj hkjkj  says: in response to SealTeam6

I have been seeing mr chutiya hijacking the name of the finest service members of america has been going on and on and on about his percieved law and what all bad things can happen to rest of u if we do not fall in line with "HIS PERCEPTION" of the law.

  U have a problem - go and complaint.

On one hand Chutiya wants to be anon "seal team 6" and in the same breadth chutiya wants to question reputation of others.

  Chutiya is scaring us. Chutye I see everyday incompetent arseholes making fool of themselves.

u know why many americans are not hired - because they are a liability.

this is the truth. if u want to get work done, u need to get immigrants. for changing 1 line of code, american worker taken 6 hours and the does regression testing for 2 days.

aerican worker will work for 8 hours including travel time - only 5 days week. no saturday and forget abt sunday. technical ability average to below average.

then chutiya wants to get a law so that it becomes extremely difficult to get help - which can work with business schedule  - why ? because of flag waving.

did american consitution promise that chutiya's jobs will be preserved at all costs. I didn't see that. go - join a union and become a communist.

chutiya.

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Aug 14, 2011 1:39 AM newsflash newsflash  says: in response to hkjkj

Risks rise for IT: Bank of America, American Express sued for outsourcing

Class-action suits have been filed against Bank of America Corporation and American Express in United States courts, portending more trouble for Indian information technology outsourcing firms that are already under the shadow of a potential global economic slowdown.

The class-action suits come at a time when there is rising public sentiment both large US corporations are exacerbating unemployment problem by 'sending jobs abroad.'

Major IT services exporters such as Tata Consultancy Services, Infosys, HCL Technologies as well as BPO firms like Genpact did not respond to emailed questions sent on Saturday from DNA Money regarding potential fall out of such legal actions against sending work abroad.

Bloomberg reported on Monday that American corporations General Electric, which has been at the forefront of the first wave of outsourcing, now wants to bring more technology related work in-house. It's chief executive Jeffrey Immelt was quoted on his plans to create about 15,000 jobs in the US in IT sector over the next three years.

LINK http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_risks-rise-for-it-bank-of-america-american-express-sued-for-outsourcing_1573939

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Aug 14, 2011 3:25 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to SealTeam6

Sealteam6: And someone is faking to be me. Some habits are hard to change,especially the faking habit ;).

The comment 'Whatever :P' is NOT me.

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Aug 14, 2011 3:35 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to hireamerica

LMAO.....Looks like one person is posting under multiple handles!! Must be some poor Infosys soul who is desperate to get green card processed before Infosys is toast

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Aug 14, 2011 3:43 AM wow wow  says: in response to hireamerica

Partying? did u get a job finally? congrats...

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Aug 14, 2011 4:14 AM The Truth The Truth  says:

Oh Wait!! I wanna be racist too!!

These infosys darlings are unreal - I demand to work in your racist lazy country because we can't do anything for ourselves in our own country... LOL

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Aug 14, 2011 5:07 AM hireamerican hireamerican  says: in response to wow

Who says I need a job...Hahahahahaha....

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Aug 14, 2011 5:09 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to The Truth

You can't do anything in your country because it is too damn corrupt.

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Aug 14, 2011 7:21 AM iuuy: iuuy:  says: in response to hireamerica

yes chutiye.

atleast i don't go around making laws as I go along for 'other inferior races'.

or making 'news' where there is none.

  you chutiyas discuss indian it companies as if you chutiyas made them.

risk rise, this suit, that suit. u chutiyas are good for this purpose only - suck blood from other people and then claim innocence.

u know what is the problem, with you chutiyas. u think since the color of the skin is darker and we have extreme poverty and english is not our first language (for many it is third language) - u imediately club us with african americans and then think how can they be whupping our arses.

u should go and file class action suit  - that is what u r and are left capable off.

 

Chutiyas want to regulate initiative of all the people in this planet.

why ? u got a divine right or something ? chutiye.

And learn to take it when u have been giving and giving and giving.

and u will get a lot, because reason, sense, logic and facts don't seem to agree with u.

Chutiyas want us to feel guilty about straddling two cultures, our language, our supposedly lack of their sense of english, what else.

Chutiye - i am speaking ur tongue and i am speaking as good or even better than most of u.

can u speak mine or any other language for that matter. we should be guilty of that - is it ?

U have a problem - first define it what exactly u want and then tell us if what u want is even given to u by some god damn right.

Indian companies did not come here to pass the law in your congress.

U have a problem with reputation of other (infy or otherwise) - and u want to attack them, then since u claim to be god (Chutiya : Sealteam6: And someone is faking to be me. Some habits are hard to change,especially the faking habit ;). Chutiya quote end"

then don't use anon. after all u are (as u claim to be straight as an honest person). Chutiye. what u are not fake.

So u want all the benefits of anonymity to take out reputation of others because of ur racial prejudice. so that is what u god damn white people want. u don't want ur victim to fight back - just go silently. maybe then u won't have any guilty feeling.

Chutiye "turd of a seal" shut his bottom hole (if that is where u race has it

green card processing - u urself said infy does not process gc.

so u change facts to  suit ur opinion and law.

Chutiya "hire american" - go join a union.

we know we are whupping ur chutiya arses. ur ancestors did the same all over the world. what they callled bringing effeciency and meeting the demand of the market.

My family land was turned sterile by forcing us to cultivate indigos for our "God Ordained British Masters". Many members of my family died in the famine so that we could supply dyes to cloth factories of Manchester in "GOD ORDAINED" England. 

Chutiyas want to make laws when it suits them and then calls other people as racist - what a load of "white" trash.

believe me we see it in a "divine right white's" eyes every day.

and u don't like it 1 bit   but u can always go and suck.   

u never got it like how we are giving it u. chutiye .

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Aug 14, 2011 8:20 AM Wakjob Wakjob  says: in response to hkjkj

"did american consitution promise that chutiya's jobs will be preserved at all costs."

No, but Title 8, Section 1182 of US Federal law does. That law is titled "Inadmissible aliens". It says ALL foreign workers are inadmissible to the US if Americans are out of work.

What part of complying with the law don't you get? It is India that is communist - which is why you want jobs created by Americans.

Now get out and stay out INADMISSIBLE ALIEN.

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Aug 14, 2011 9:51 AM Welcome Welcome  says: in response to Wakjob

back...White racist....after you got identifed as Racist...still you are commeting here!!!...a soul with no shame

And sorry to wake you up..."Title 8, Section 1182 of US Federal law" doesn't speak anything like "ALL foreign workers are inadmissible to the US if Americans are out of work."

try figure out such clause in http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/usc_sec_08_00001182----000-.html

don't bring the AoS section of that law here...that applies only when the company applies Green Card for the Aliens.

Let us know which part of the Title 8, Section 1182 you don't understand, you are so dump and that the reason you got fired from Adobe...along with other 499 whites....by the way where are those 499 and are they here to help you out!!!

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Aug 14, 2011 9:57 AM Seriously!!! Seriously!!!  says: in response to hireamerica

It seems sealteam6 (not the real seal team) and you have no life....poor people comenting in this blog @ 3:35am....wow...if you both had put this effort in work for sure by now you guys will be in a job...instead of getting fired!!!

You know what....no company wants a resource who sits in office do nothing but comment across every blog in the internet...no matter what race they belong to...and no law can protect them from getting fired.

Have a life man...or at least some sleep.

If you don't know...to secure a green card all you should have is your I-140 approved and completed 180days...after which the person can move it to any company without problem....by the way Infosys doesn't file GC ...they use the resource real temprorary...

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Aug 14, 2011 12:14 PM rand rand  says: in response to SealTeam6

why does infy have to correct anything. Who exactly are you and who gave you the right. come again.

I don't understand what exactly is ur standing in this and how is it that u are dictating terms to any one. Go and eat shit...

2day u dictate terms to infosys, tomorrow u would dictate terms to me, you got a problem - go and get a legal recourse. don't come around telling ppl what tp do. even if you are white (which i know u are), slavery has been finished long time.

Infys is a respected company, chutiye. just by taking on seal team 6, chutiye - u do not exactly become a seal. Understand chutye. complying with law. which law - which is their in ur mind or that of don. come wipe my arse and shine my turd. chutiya.

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Aug 14, 2011 12:17 PM Did I Did I  says: in response to SealTeam6

missed the story or you are trying to (mis)represent his whole case....

All I remember was "U.S. Employee Files Lawsuit Against Infosys Claiming the Indian Outsourcing Giant Is Committing Fraud by Using Incorrect Visas" and it has nothing to do with discrimination in IT industry...it is all about fraud in using visas. Even I am waiting for this case to get a logical conclusion...it benefits everyone in IT industry working in US if there is serious fraud and some jobs are created in US.

You will be happy as long as no one brings up discrimination in IT industry because then you will lose your job.

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Aug 14, 2011 12:25 PM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to SealTeam6

whatever :P

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Aug 14, 2011 12:29 PM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to rand

Ok.. calm down. You'll give yourself a heart attack. You sound rather upset, from what I can decipher from your broken English and Hindi obscenities :).

You seem to have some issue with my handle ? As opposed to all the Hindi obscenity filled posts you guys vomit here  ?  Funny...

Infosys is trash. End of story. Maybe they are respected in India. Fine . stay there.And you too, chutiya

You are a joke.

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Aug 14, 2011 12:37 PM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to Did I

Obviously  you dense parrots don't understand the meaning of the word "sarcasm".  I suggest you widen your reading and comprehension skills. On the otherhand that might be hard for most of you guys.

Please don't tell us Americans about discrimination in our country. I don't go to your country and lecture you on the inequities of the centuries old caste system now do I ? That is India's business what they want to do with their civil rights. For better  or worse.

Whether I lose my job is not your concern. That you will lose yours is something that is your concern.

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Aug 14, 2011 12:42 PM sen sen  says: in response to SealTeam6

actually i am pretty calm. i think u should know that chutiyas do no become seal if they go around masquerading as seal team 6.

actually chutiyas like u can never become as heroic as ur service members.

You are chutiya loser - and more chutiya for using seal team 6 moniker. Go and compalint about this also to DOJ. Perhaps u think they are there to listen to chitiyas like u.

secondly, u have a problem, go and file complaint or case - don't go fuckin around with other people's name and reputation - that too by taking on monikers whose turd also - u may not be.

Chutiye - one does not become a billion dollar company by becoming seal team6 on obscure forum.

as far as broken english is concenred and spelling, i hope u (inspite of being a vitriolic turd) will start telling us that is also a law.

  who cares if you think infy is trash or not. did we ask a turd like you about ur opinion. Chutiya - wants to become seal team6.

It seems that infy has really kicked the Chutiya's arse.

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Aug 14, 2011 12:46 PM dsdjds dsdjds  says: in response to SealTeam6

Please don't tell us Americans about discrimination in our country. I don't go to your country and lecture you on the inequities of the centuries old caste system now do I ? That is India's business what they want to do with their civil rights. For better  or worse.

Chutiye, ur state department interferes with affairs of every country in this world. Chutiye - get ur facts right. just today vice consul of america called indians as dark and dirty.

CHUTIYA

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Aug 14, 2011 12:48 PM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to Seriously!!!

LOL....I was just going to bed after a night of partying...so much for your genius mind :P

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Aug 14, 2011 12:49 PM segg segg  says: in response to SealTeam6

Obviously  you dense parrots don't understand the meaning of the word "sarcasm".  I suggest you widen your reading and comprehension skills. On the otherhand that might be hard for most of you guys.

now the chutiya will make a law about understanding the chutiya's sarcasm.

Chutiya thinks he is the smartest guy by hijacking memory and heroism of the best service members of america.

Chutiya wants to become seal team 6 in the internet ) Turd of seal.

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Aug 14, 2011 12:50 PM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to dsdjds

Then don't come here ;). Stay home where you are safe and respected. Simple.

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Aug 14, 2011 12:51 PM seal seal  says:

so who told u any one is worried. Chutiye.

If we start worrying about chutiyas like you, we would not have come 4000 miles to kick your chutiya arse right in your back yard. Chutiye.

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Aug 14, 2011 12:53 PM sdss sdss  says: in response to SealTeam6

chutiye

now u will make a law to tell us where we can go and can't.  

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Aug 14, 2011 12:54 PM SealTeam6 SealTeam6  says: in response to sdss

Ok, then suffer the consequences.

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Aug 15, 2011 6:34 AM hireamerica hireamerica  says: in response to iPhone_rocks

I am voting for Bachmann. I would love to see a Bachmann/Cain or Cain/Bachmann ticket

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Aug 15, 2011 12:18 PM iPhone_rocks iPhone_rocks  says: in response to hireamerica

Now, Bachmann will be in charge next year, I would rather take a corrupt country  to live peacefully than next Hitler era. My Indian buddy, you better change your dark nasty brown skin color quick, otherwise the tea party is out there to get you. Based on the discussions here, the supreme race is up against Indians rather than Jews. Too bad, Michael Johnson is dead to give you some tips.

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Aug 16, 2011 9:51 AM Ironic Ironic  says: in response to iPhone_rocks

@iphone_rocks Ironically the supreme race leader Hitler used the Indian symbol of swastika (if you don't believe, read wikipedia) as his symbol and neo nazis like you don't even know where it started.

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Aug 19, 2011 12:56 PM Obama Obama  says: in response to Ironic

It's funny and hilarious. While people here are debating over a couple of thousand Indian workers that do all the paperwork, submit the requirement documents and fees at the behest of their employers to do projects, the American government just pushed a bill to legalize illegal aliens. Oh well, I think I will skip the whole documentation and fee process all together and just over stay here and wait for the great liberal hippies to legalize me. I got to tell all the other people too to stop wasting their time and money on the legal process.

What a stupid bunch of ignorant citizens.

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