Debate Rages in India Over Whether Infosys Is a 'Body Shop'

Don Tennant

When Infosys co-founder and chairman emeritus Narayana Murthy lambasted the deteriorating quality of graduates of Indian Institutes of Technology, or IITs, one of those graduates, a high-profile writer, shot back that Infosys is a "body shopping company." Now, there is a debate raging in India over whether Infosys is, indeed, a body shop.

 

"Body shop" is, of course, a pejorative term applied to an outsourcing company that makes a business out of filling jobs with people who aren't necessarily qualified to do the work. The writer who slapped that tag on Infosys is Chetan Bhagat, a best-selling author, columnist and motivational speaker. Here's some of what Murthy said that upset Bhagat:

Thanks to the coaching classes today, the quality of students entering IITs has gone lower and lower. They somehow get through the joint entrance examination. But their performance in IITs, at jobs or when they come for higher education in institutes in the US is not as good as it used to be.

Bhagat created a firestorm when he responded with this observation:

It is ironic when someone who runs a body shopping company and calls it hi-tech, makes sweeping comments on the quality of IIT students.

In a subsequent interview, Bhagat was asked if he regretted making the comment. His response:

No, not really. I mean I wanted to, my point is very valid. And in fact, I was speaking to the Infosys people and they have agreed that, you know, why bring the students into it? Why judge the students?

Asked if he intended to offer an apology to Murthy, Bhagat dismissed the idea:

Come on. I don't think he needs one and I don't think I need to. I mean, what have I said that is so offensive? It's just a corporate and I have given my view. This term called bodyshopping is not my term, it's a term that has come from the software sector only.

So now people in India are engaged in a debate over whether Infosys is a body shop, and according to a Times of India poll, the overwhelming majority of respondents think it is. At this writing, 78 percent (1,265 voters) said "yes," and 22 percent (343 voters) said "no."

 

I'm happy to settle the debate once and for all. Of course Infosys is a body shop. It became a body shop on the day it started illegally filling positions in this country with unqualified B-1 visa holders, and then lied about it. So I find myself agreeing with Bhagat. If Murthy wants to fix something, he should start by fixing the company that he and his Infosys management cohorts allowed to be broken.



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Oct 11, 2011 1:34 AM Chamat Chamat  says:

"I'm happy to settle the debate once and for all. "

Grow up Tennant!

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Oct 11, 2011 1:50 AM George Alexander George Alexander  says:

It's a body shop to a large extent and the discussion back in India on this is more or less settled. But to be fair to Infosys and some of the people that do work there, that wouldn't be an accurate one-size fits all description. There are a couple of projects and engagements that provide management, solutions, R&D and services beyond just providing a 'body' to a customer. I know a few people who work there and have some insight into their activities. My biggest gripe against companies like Infosys apart from visa abuse is that they take really talented college graduates and completely destroy their potential by placing them into lousy projects performing menial work. My cousin was a topper who was very analytical with high aptitude but wasted two years of his life in Infosys jumping from one lousy project to another one lending low end maintainance work. He eventually got fed up and quit to persue an MBA. I try to advice all graduates who are confident in themselves to not even consider the likes of Infosys, Wipro and TCS if they are starting out because they wouldn't be able to know how they would end up.

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Oct 11, 2011 4:46 AM Madagasper Madagasper  says:

There are 2 very different issues here.  Mr Bhagat's response to Mr Murthy strikes me as childish besides being a non sequitur.  The basic point Mr Murthy was making about the IITs is quite true but he did not say it very well.  Which is that although the IITians have anointed themselves Masters of the Universe their impact on the world is rather insignificant, and that it is time for a reality check.  Mr Bhagat's response to this was that Mr Murthy's company Infosys is a body shop, which it is (Dan Rather's labeling it 'hi-tech' notwithstanding).  So what?  How does Infosys being a body shop invalidate Mr Murthy's point about IITs?

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Oct 11, 2011 6:02 AM Jake_Leone Jake_Leone  says:

India is not living up to its potential, in the software area, and it could be "pay-check-itis", could be that dreams are offset by that pay-check.

I have heard it said that vacuum tube research may have stunted the silicon revolution by taking away researchers who might have given us a ten-year head start.

Well the same thing may be happening in India, where the best are being used to simply immitate the workings of U.S. companies, and engage in pointless job-destruction.  It's profitable (but not sustainable), from the Indian perspective, but still it is an aweful waste of human potential.

Instead of engaging in destructive activity, Indian could engage in constructive competition, and oddly both countries would be better off.

Hey, Apple has some of the highest quality consumer devices, they did it by investing hundreds of millions of dollars in R&D (and a lot of elves).  Apple is the biggest company, why can't other companies be forced, or motivated (or what-ever) into taking the same modus operandi.

It is a valid debate, and India should seek more to create it's own direct competition to western software companies.  This would be of great benefit to everyone, as it is competition that drives hiring in software.

Look, software can be staggeringly profitable.  Companies like Microsoft, Oracle, they don't invest in R&D unless they hear footsteps from competitors.  When it comes to Software Development hiring, it's the need for R&D that really drives it.

Instead of making hundreds of billions for western companies, India could make its share, and at the same time help motivate U.S. companies to hire (because they need to up the product anti, instead of kicking back on the profits).

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Oct 11, 2011 9:45 AM AV AV  says: in response to Chamat

Way to go Chamat. This guy Tennant is like a soft porn author who gets off on cheap thrills. He just likes to stitch diff quotes together to make it tantalizing and get picked up by google

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Oct 11, 2011 10:48 AM Pro Pro  says:

Every evening I make it a point to check almost all news websites expecting a news about workers on B1 visas being rounded up or 'body shops' being shutdown, but it just doesn't seem to happen. When possibly thousands are here working illegally on B1 visas, all I read about this issue is an odd blog posting. Growing up in Asia (1980's and possibly even now), the rich and the powerful were always above law. Deja Vu!

How can the Indian companies openly place jobs ads quoting 'B1' visa? Isn't there political will to get this fixed? Aren't there agents like Eliot Ness anymore who took on Al Capone all alone????

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Oct 12, 2011 1:05 AM Mike ST Mike ST  says: in response to AV

"I'm happy to settle the debate once and for all."

The poll is insignificant, consider the fact that Infosys hires only 1 out of 100 job applicants. The other 99 are left wanting. And they do take out their frustration in general polls like these. These are meaning less.

I have worked in Infosys earlier, it does lead in corporate governance and earning respect is engrained in it's vision statement.

Sentiments apart, I do not believe this B1 issue will go anywhere. There may be a few localised violation incidents, but it is highly unlikely that this company will strategically do something like that. Even from company's perspective, considering it's size, the saving from B1 misuse would pittance and would anyone in their right might think of taking such a big risk strategically.

Come on Don, wake up, no point making a hill out of a mole!

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Oct 12, 2011 2:27 AM Jobs4US Jobs4US  says: in response to Mike ST

The law is the law - Infosys has broken the law and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  

Thankfully we the people are being heard - the 99% and Infosys needs to know that paying their bribes to the 1% to bypass US law won't go unnoticed by We the People.

Don, where's the courthouse? Can we get some Occupy Wall Street supporters to raise some awareness for Infosys despicable contempt for American workers and US law?

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Oct 12, 2011 4:15 AM jake_leone jake_leone  says: in response to Frustrated in US

No one ever addresses the real reasons why companies make changes.

Why did Coke change formula?

Why did Apple fire Steve Jobs?

The real reason change occurs in companies, is because leadership (at all levels) wants something that they can point to, that they changed, and might become (usually through blind luck) associated with success.

That's the real reason.

Mindless Zen management is the real reason for most (like 90%) of the change.

People who sell the slave product, know that the more turnkey it appear, the more likely fat-lazy management will swallow it (hook, line, and thoughtless).

Think about it, your a 30 something tech hiring manager.  If you want to hire an american, you have to interview, this costs you time.  If you want to get a contractor, from different company (like a b o d y s h o p, ewe scary).  Then you just sign a requisition.

Or a visa, nothing to it, let HR handle that.  The first resume that fits, from your buddies back home will do, in exchange for future favor no doubt.

10 seconds versus 16+ hours, yeah I'll be home for dinner to change the diapers.

Industry must be pressured to do constructive, organic-growth, hiring, otherwise it just won't happen.

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Oct 12, 2011 9:51 AM sam sam  says:

I am not sure why Don keep hunting for Infosys news and try to make spicy blogs using some tiny news articles.

Guys...get life and spend you valuable time in useful way...commenting here won't get you anything or anywhere...

Laws are not changed based on Don's blog...and court/jury doesn't make any decision based on his blog or based on your comments...

Sad to see some people posts pages and pages of comments for few lines of trash from Don...while  he spends 2 mins in preparing this blog... people like Lawson (you may want to disconnect internet connection too so that you can have some real life.) spends hrs on debating about the trash...

Infosys is bodyshop or not who cares....their financial results speaks more than what you can ask for

Revenue in the three months ended in September rose 17% to $1.75 billion

For Q3, the company sees revenue in a range of $1.8 billion to $1.84 billion, and EPS of 79 cents to 80 cents. That is a little light on the top line compared to the average $1.85 billion estimate, but ahead of the average 75-cent EPS estimate.

For the year, the company sees revenue of $7.1 billion to $7.2 billion, and EPS of $3.02 to $3.06. That is ahead of the average estimate for $7.1 billion and $2.88 per share.

They know how to make money...and they continue making money.while you guys wasting time in cheap and useless fights

Go have some life...rather than bickering about some company...no matter how much you cry here.... no one is listening......

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Oct 12, 2011 9:59 AM Shaktimaan Shaktimaan  says: in response to Jobs4US

Quote from times of India - "The BSE barometer Sensex on Wednesday jumped by 422 points to close at a one-month high as investors cheered better quarter earnings by IT bellwether Infosys amid a firming global trend."

These investors who are cheering are all from the US, so you will have to understand the chain and your position in the chain before jumping on the conclusion.

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Oct 12, 2011 10:07 AM George Alexander George Alexander  says: in response to sam

>>Guys...get life and spend you valuable time in useful way...commenting here won't get you anything or anywhere...

For someone who wrote quite a sizable comment, you may want to start with yourself.

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Oct 12, 2011 10:16 AM George Alexander George Alexander  says: in response to Jobs4US

OWS is not the "99%". At best, they are the 9% (mainly unemployed entitlement folks and youngster hippies who think a college degree guarentees a job. bullocks.). The rest of the 90% are working hard towards jobs like they used to in the old days when times were hard.

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Oct 12, 2011 10:30 AM George Alexander George Alexander  says: in response to Jobs4US

oh, by the way, OWS liberals are vocal supporters of illegal immigrants. So good luck with that.

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Oct 12, 2011 11:03 AM sam sam  says: in response to George Alexander

I agree...and will do so...

If you have noticed....I have copied (like Don!!!) from other site (financial stuff) and added few lines...not put hrs in discussing word by word of Don's blog(most content from other site).

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Oct 12, 2011 11:05 AM Frustrated in US Frustrated in US  says:

Wait a minute, what about the elephant in the room to which Mr Murthy pointed? When will US companies wake up and realize that it's not cost effective to replaced experienced, seasoned IT workers with recruits fresh out of IT school? Yes, you can pay four of them what you would have paid one of the employees you laid off, but it will be years before you get the productivity out of them to replace what you lost. And, in the meantime, the quality of your software or service deteriorates. What does it cost to replace the customers that you lose because of their dissatisfaction? It would be no different if we were replacing veteran workers with US students, except as Mr. Murthy notes, the quality of graduates of Indian IT schools has degraded. When you add that into the mix,  US companies are not only not saving, they are losing in a big way.

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Oct 12, 2011 11:16 AM R. Lawson R. Lawson  says:

There is a simple definition for a body shop.  If a company is solely responsible for staff augmentation and not the management or outcome of a project, they are a body shop.

The answer to the question "Is Infosys a body shop" is both Yes and No.  It depends on the client, project, and often participants in the project.  Some projects will be a hybrid.

Each of the times I personally worked with Infosys, they were acting like a body shop.  They provided labor for hire.  Their daily work routine was managed by the client, not Infosys.  Their only responsibility to Infosys was reporting their hours worked and of course trying to get more bodies onsite.

I would say that more often than not, Infosys is a body shop at least when it comes to the IT services part of the company.  If you see an Infosys employee in the United States, they are more likely being managed by the client, and not directly by Infosys.

That said, Infosys isn't unique here.  All of the major Indian players have essentially the same business model.  Their bread and butter comes from staff augmentation - aka "body shopping".  They are ALL body shops, Don.  Some of them violate and/or abuse our visa laws, but even if they didn't that doesn't change the nature of their work: staff aug/body shopping.

Because these companies have commoditized what we do, they have had a major impact on staffing and consulting in the United States.  The have most definitely applied downward pressures on wages and working conditions for all people in the profession no matter if they are contractors, consultants, or employees.

The only real difference between Infosys and staffing companies - like say TekSystems, is that TekSystems is honest about who they are. 

I'm not suggesting that body-shopping is a bad or dishonest business model.  However, I am suggesting that companies that are simply head-hunters should not be able to sponsor guest workers.  And that applies double for foreign body shops.

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Oct 12, 2011 11:50 AM Swami Bharani Swami Bharani  says:

All so called Indian Technology companies are BODY SHOPS. Dare them to challenge! any one like.

InfoSys, TATA, Wipro Mahindra Satyam, Cogniziant and not to surprise further IBM, Accenture have also began doing the same.

Even small companies in USA or Eurpope develop products and services around their products. Why so many millions of people working in India cannot do it? Because they are not encouraged for it. Any one can look into all the companies above their profits are from BODY SHOPPING ONLY!

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Oct 12, 2011 11:59 AM Bharani Swami Bharani Swami  says:

I did read the Times poll and comments posted. Most of them who said "NO" do not seems to even the identification of BODY SHOPS. Many I interact from IT slavery are not even aware of what is body shopping.

If any company work on project ideas and solutions of their own! with or without using any technologies available, then it is service. If they just send workers like labors, Java 100, Unix-180, DBA 200 and this is nothing BUT a BODY SHOPPING.

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Oct 13, 2011 1:02 AM R. Lawson R. Lawson  says: in response to sam

"And your comments and Don's blog is going to stop everything...!!! good try..."

The spread of accurate information on this subject does help.  We have an elected democracy, and even though it feels very broken at times the more people understand this issue the better policy decisions will be made.

Politicians are getting an earful whenever issues of offshoring, trade imbalances, currency manipulation, and corporate servitude visas are on the table for discussion.

I think the protests across the country right now speak for themselves.  The people are tired of large corporations getting their way while working families are ignored.  There is change coming - I don't want to call it liberal, conservative, Democrat, or Republican change.  It's just change.  People from all political perspectives seem to agree on one thing: working class America is being neglected.

Indian companies' interests mean absolutely nothing to just about every last American.  We don't care what you or Infosys thinks because you aren't "us".  In fact, most of us believe that your country is cheating us, and we aim to put a stop to that.

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Oct 13, 2011 7:29 AM sam sam  says: in response to R. Lawson

" In fact, most of us believe that your country is cheating us, and we aim to put a stop to that."

Seriously!!!

No wonder you are smartest person in this room...continue your lie and useless comments....one fine day you become Don Jr.

Jump to new blog from Don...you have mouthful of things to say there...

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Oct 13, 2011 9:27 AM R. Lawson R. Lawson  says: in response to sam

"They know how to make money...and they continue making money.while you guys wasting time in cheap and useless fights"

Much of that money is a product of their cheating and violation (or abuse) of the laws.  So I wouldn't say our fight is useless.  If body shops are barred from sponsoring visas that's going to take a huge bite out of those profits.  Also, if the currency manipulation (cheating) is addressed that's another dent in those profits.

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Oct 13, 2011 9:44 AM R. Lawson R. Lawson  says: in response to sam

"No wonder you are smartest person in this room...continue your lie and useless comments....one fine day you become Don Jr."

I doubt I'm the smartest in the room, but I am being truthful when I say our trade relationship with India is not a fair relationship.  Just because "China is worse" doesn't make our Indian trade relationship a good deal for us.

India does manage their currency tightly.  India does have far fewer employment and environmental regulations.  This is a disparity, and Indian companies are rewarded for paying their workers less, working them longer, and showing no regard for the environment.  Indian merchants and global service providers have a trade advantage because their currency is artificially weak.

One word can sum this up: cheating.

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Oct 13, 2011 11:22 AM sam sam  says: in response to R. Lawson

And your comments and Don's blog is going to stop everything...!!! good try...

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Oct 14, 2011 1:02 AM fivefamous fivefamous  says: in response to R. Lawson

I don't even care if Infosys revenue or profit margin shrinking or not.

However giving expert opinion that because of Palmer case or Don's reporting Infosys revenue, profit, client base is shrinking or growing sounded silly to me. As that old blog claiming something on client base I just saw numbers from infosys.com on client numbers 3 months back.

Don often claims like "because I reported so and so date", because 1st 2nd and 5th whistle blower, as if Infosys clients leaving them, revenue shrinking, profit dropped etc. Those just sounded 'worthless' to me so pointing out.

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Oct 14, 2011 1:12 AM fivefamous fivefamous  says: in response to R. Lawson

"Client count is a worthless figure because one large client could equate to a dozen smaller clients - so no use even debating that.  " ~

Now coming back to this point (totally changing discussion here), for an Investor these are very important information. Having 50% revenue from 2 largest client is very risky and immature business model. Big business like infosys will even take pride in the fact if their biggest client contribute less than 5% of their revenue. It is very robust business model if your client base is expanding and and you have revenue flow from different sources.

2nd point is Infosys made clear time and again in media that they are more concerned on profit margin rather than just offering cheap business and growing revenue (or buying revenue through M&A etc). The news on revenue not growing as fast as some competitor since last 2-3 qtrs are because of that fact.

Roy, I'm just pointing out this things as my opinion. I'm not claiming you personally agree or disagree these things or not. The reply here is just expanding my views on your statement above. You might very much agree to these also.

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Oct 14, 2011 10:34 AM sam sam  says: in response to R. Lawson

Your comment is ignorance at its max...

We can wakeup sleeping person not person acting like sleeping...

Your comment is point blank lie...as simple as that.

Don't portray America is kid and those other countries are cheating. If they cheat 1st time shame on them...if they cheat 2nd time shame on America...as per you this is going on for multiple years....so far sure it is SHAME ON AMERICA to act nothing happened and accepted the fraud years. Don't claim Don and your comment is to wakeup America...if that is what going to wakup America..that itself surely bad sign (need a blogger and his fan boy to wakeup America)...

Wars and weapons (Nuclear!!!) used and weapon stock (again Nuclear!!!) is the best sign of how nice America is with other countries....everyone knows the truth...your misleading information won't do much..anyway good try...

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Oct 14, 2011 10:55 AM R. Lawson R. Lawson  says: in response to sam

Sam, you and I probably share similar views on US foreign policy and meddling that has occurred.  That said, we are having a discussion on ECONOMICS. 

You accuse me of misleading, but have provided no examples of statements I've made you believe are misleading.  That leaves us with an entirely unproductive dialogue.

Sam, you appear to have unwavering support of corporations and contempt for the wars and intervention of governments.  Just who do you think pressures governments to intervene silly? 

The American footprint in foreign lands is almost entirely about energy.  Global energy companies (corporations) have for years created a world dependent on oil - when we have the technology to harness much more energy from other non-petroleum based sources.  Some of which are renewable. 

These corporations that you like so much are the root cause of most of our problems.  If they aren't pausing the advancement of civilization (oil companies) they are using their money to buy influence to gain unfair advantage (Wall-Street).

So you lob insults at a person who simply wants a REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT.  I want the United States government to represent each citizen EQUALLY.  You should desire the same from your government.

People like you disgust me because your rhetoric is based on the attitude of "you can't do anything, so accept your circumstances and do nothing".  That is the very attitude that has resulted in most Indians living in abject poverty.  And that is the very attitude that has resulted in most Americans caring more about reality TV than about reality.

Take your defeatist attitude somewhere else. 

Many said that Arabs around the world would never break free of their dictators.  One spring not so long ago they said "Enough is enough" and they TOOK their freedom back.  Governments need a frequent reminder who it is they represent.  We are simply reminding them.

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Oct 14, 2011 11:53 AM fivefamous fivefamous  says: in response to sam

Sam,

Thanks for sharing some numbers. I don't follow these numbers closely but after Don's false claims I saw some numbers last quarter and realised how Don misinterpretes facts in his blogs.

A quarter back due to completely different economical situation when Infosys added little less new client Don was like "Clients' Angst over Alleged Visa Fraud Hurt Infosys' Earnings"

http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/tennant/did-clients-angst-over-alleged-visa-fraud-hurt-infosys-earnings/?cs=47817

Showing as if all clients are ending business with Infosys.

That day I pointed out the situation is nothing like that. Infact they added 26 new clients on that bad times. Just that new addition number of 26 is lesser than qtr before when it used to be 34, 38 etc.

Dolores replied "Once you hand over your IT business to an outside entity, it's very hard to take it back. Not something you can do quickly, that's for sure. I'll bet a lot of companies are thinking about it, though. I'll bet a lot of secret meetings are in the works. "

Don creates such brainwashing impact on these naive readers and they become very confident that Infosys is going down. Now after 1 qtr here is the updated number:

Number of client       Sep 30, 2011 Jun30, 2011    Mar31 2011   Jun30 2010

Active -                    647               628                620               590

Added new -             45                 26                  34                 38

Still waiting for outcomes of "secret meetings are in the works" to throw out Infosys. Let's touchbase here qtr on qtr and see how much Don's expert mind understand about Infosys earnings.

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Oct 14, 2011 12:14 PM R. Lawson R. Lawson  says: in response to fivefamous

Client count is a worthless figure because one large client could equate to a dozen smaller clients - so no use even debating that. 

What really matters are revenues and if those are shrinking or growing.  I don't know the answer (frankly I don't care) but to focus on client count is rather pointless.

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Oct 14, 2011 12:44 PM sam sam  says: in response to R. Lawson

Yep...you are right...keep blaming others when you have every chance fix (not just by commenting) it....

I don't love corporate...but I don't hate them either...

I hate people who thinks every problem can be solved by blogs and comments in it....people like you won't lift fingers beyond typing comments...

You elect those governments...if you have problem participate in elections and go join and fix it ....instead you are waiting for all politicians to be saint...not going to happen in our life time.

I don't complain and point fingers on others (politicians/corporate/foreign people) ...I always go and fix it by myself...if needed gather some people who are like minded.

Don does no good other than feeding trolls who are prejudice (about other race/country)...and you are part of those trolls (by claiming others cheat but not me or my country)

Keep complaining...you never going to achieve anything other than some mental pressure of not getting fixed.

This blog is utterly stupid and unwanted...but still you kept commenting about it in pages and pick every opportunity to insult other race/country.

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Oct 16, 2011 8:54 AM George Alexander George Alexander  says:

This is an interesting post about what happens when you are a college fresher and decide to join companies like Infosys, Wipro, TCS, CTS etc. Don't waste your life in these kinds of companies.

http://rashmiranjanpadhy.com/2011/10/06/how-i-lost-my-desire-to-code/

It probably makes sense working for these companies when you are strong in your skillset, with experience and able to quit when you like. There are plenty of software development jobs in both sides of the pond looking to hire developers with skills and experience.

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Oct 22, 2011 5:13 AM Wakjob Wakjob  says:

10 years ago everyone laughed at American IT workers when we tried to tell people that most of the Indian companies are scams. Now it's common knowledge.

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Nov 1, 2011 12:03 PM garage man :) garage man :)  says:

To be honest, most Multi National Corporations don't give a hoot about employees, unless there are penal clauses involved by legislation of a state/ country. I think you'd know that given how the auto industry collapsed in USA. The companies are all outsourcing, because they don't have a choice. The so called 'choice" of hiring local people for small jobs will really run them into ground. There are a lot of companies which folded, so you could do some research on this. This is a globalized world, and here you may as well give someone a job who could do it cheaper and better or a combination there of at a level which is acceptable.

George Bush Jnr, no matter how much dislike him, had got this right. No corporation can truly afford to give 40 to 60 odd g's to someone for just answering a phone. Jobs like the ones i mentioned, will need to be done cheaper. Now there are a lot of jobs in USA in tech industry, which people could fill in and get 100 G's plus a year for. The problem tech companies in USA face is that they don't have sufficient number of people trained to do those jobs. Mostly not enough knowledge, experience etc. are the barriers to why tech companies have to resort to hiring people from outside the country for those plum jobs.

I recently had the good fortune of meeting a few people who were lamenting about lack of jobs in auto industry et all. If people are waiting to get jobs in auto industry doing what their fathers did and doing well, it can't happen. Why? Simple reason. After the second war, US then had no competition. US today can't compete with quality of European/ Japanese manufacturers. Rule of life is, "evolve or you perish." People will need to evolve and adapt themselves to meet the needs of marketplace in order to make themselves a viable hire. You simply can't force the companies to hire you just because you are there, but you have to be competent.

In my humble opinion, from what i've seen, a lot of jobs already exist and a simple visit to any website (DICE, Monster etc.) will confirm the same. It is about whether you could do the job? A lot of people are lobbying to stop outsourcing, but the bottom-line will always be whether you could do it.

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About education in India, it is not great, and is getting worse. As is the case with anything politics touches. Political scenario in India is one dominated by felling of "entitlement" and that extends to everything is touches. A lot of people could get into top colleges not because they deserve it, but because they are entitled to. Anyone who argues this hasn't been in India to learn about the country, or is one of those who are "entitled."

This is not an attempt to attack, nor a slur against people from any communities. It is just the attempt to point at the crooked ones. Let us face it, there are bad seeds regardless of caste, colour, creed and sex.

I don't work for Infosys, nor was ever employed by them. It is just another corporation, owned and run by a bunch of people, who are just as greedy as people in AIG, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers etc. etc.

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Nov 1, 2011 12:20 PM garage man :) garage man :)  says: in response to Wakjob

Really? Is it a scam like AIG? Goldman Sachs? Do you want me to continue?

There are a bunch of people trying to do a given job. I wouldn't go as far as painting them all in one colour. Not every company is a Satyam. Not every company is a Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, or AIG etc. etc.

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