Age Discrimination in IT: At Least the Pain Is Shared

Don Tennant

A reader who commented yesterday on my blog post, "We Owe It to Our Kids to Get Over the H-1B Hang-Up," took issue with my contention that one of the reasons it's important to encourage our children to pursue careers in IT is the need to fill the jobs that will be vacated by the approaching retirement of a lot of baby boomers.


"Retiring boomers?" he asked. "I suspect that lots of boomer-aged STEM workers get retired long before they turn 65. Age discrimination is rampant." Unfortunately, he makes an all-too-legitimate point.


No doubt, IT hardly corners the market on age discrimination. A couple of job postings on caught my eye yesterday: "Seeking Motivated, Talented Young Reporters," proclaimed The New Republic, a political magazine in Washington. The other wasn't quite as blatant. An ad for a "top notch," "experienced" copy editor posted by The Desert Sun in Palm Springs signaled the paper's hiring intentions this way: "You also will get the chance to work in a high-energy, innovative newsroom with experienced editors committed to teaching and helping young journalists advance their careers."


That said, it's clear that IT workers are being hurt as much as anybody by the practice. A couple of years ago, I had the pleasure of moderating a discussion on IT employment issues at the UCLA Anderson School of Management. One of the participants was Dr. Norm Matloff, a professor of computer science at the University of California at Davis who's best known as an outspoken critic of the H-1B visa program. Matloff is not only bright, but he's a genuinely good guy, and he's made an invaluable contribution to the healthy advancement of the H-1B discussion.


Matloff is also outspoken on the issue of age discrimination. In response to my question about whether the premise that there is a shortage of IT workers in the U.S. is fact or fiction, this is what he had to say:

"You can look at it in terms of salaries -- they're not going up. There was a BusinessWeek study that found that starting salaries for computer science and electrical engineering graduates, adjusting for inflation, are on the downswing. There is no study, other than those made by the industry, that has established a shortage, even during the dot-com boom. The problem is that people are not willing to hire who's out there, and largely it's a matter of money. That, in turn, becomes a matter of age -- older people cost more. They cost more in salary, they cost more in benefits. The whole thing about [there being a shortage because of] baby boomers retiring is kind of ludicrous, because almost nobody gets to retirement age in this business. After you reach age 40 or even age 35, you find yourself becoming less employable. I'm talking about my specialty, which is software development, so everything I said holds to that group. HR doesn't know what to do with that mountain of applications. They vet people out, and the age issue is central -- it's a way to filter out the older people. Eminently qualified people can't even get an interview. It amounts to legalized age discrimination."

That the pain of age discrimination felt by IT workers is being shared by people in other occupations is little consolation. But for what it's worth, HR reps may be starting to feel the pain, too.


My wife, an HR executive whose credentials include an MBA and certification as a Senior Professional in Human Resources, has been unemployed for almost a year. At 56, she has applied for countless jobs and only rarely gets even as far as a first interview. She's sharp, dynamic, has a superb track record and has aced the few interviews she's landed. Yet she's gotten nowhere, and she can't help but wonder whether her age is a factor. I, for one, hope that when she does get a job, it's at a place that needs to hire a lot of IT professionals. At least the older applicants would be assured that she knows how it feels.

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Dec 30, 2009 8:16 AM B, B,  says:

The economy is tough, as millions of jobs have fallen into the gone and not coming back category.  She is basically interviewing against dozens of other experienced workers, so it's going to be tough. I think it will come down to her just being that perfect fit for what someone is looking for.  I think she'll find it.  Truth is Companies don't need as much HR help anymore. The offshore workers have their own HR departments, which pay pennies on the dollar compared to a salary your wife would find suitable.  When millions of IT , engineering, and manufacturing jobs go away, so do the support positions.

Dec 31, 2009 2:31 AM Tom Tom  says:

I'm sorry your wife is going through this, but because of H-1b propagandists like you, tech workers go though this at least 15 years earlier that she has, by age 40

You want to know the cause of age discrimination, look in the mirror

Dec 31, 2009 2:38 AM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to Tom

Thank you for the kind sentiment towards my wife.

Dec 31, 2009 6:07 AM Dolores Dolores  says: in response to Don Tennant

Has your wife considered starting her own contingent staffing firm? If the $%^&* Indian bodyshoppers can do it in America, why can't we? She could advertise experienced professionals with reasonable salary requirements. There certainly are enough out there to place. 

Dec 31, 2009 8:22 AM Kim Berry - Programmers Guild Kim Berry - Programmers Guild  says:

Hi Don,

Thank your for sharing your personal family situation. I've placed the list of the 500 "Human Resources" LCA's for H-1bs that DOL approved in FY2008 here:

Please check the salaries - do they seems to be within the range of what your wife expects to earn? (I see a lot of $35k to $50k positions.)

If your wife were a software developer, H-1b proponents, including most Congressmen, would say that it is not your wife's age, but rather that she failed to keep her skills up to date." U.S. employers deserve access to the "best and brightest" talent, and as would say "there is no job in the U.S. that is a god-given right."

The first "worksheet tab" is HR PERM - the greencards that were issued to foreign HR workers after a "fake job ad" showing that "not qualified Americans were available." If you wife had applied to any of those jobs, she didn't have a chance because the job was already filled by a foreign worker.

Dec 31, 2009 9:19 AM Kim Berry - Programmers Guild Kim Berry - Programmers Guild  says:

Hi Don,

Thank your for sharing your personal family situation. I've placed the list of the 500 "Human Resources" LCA's for H-1bs that DOL approved in FY2008 here:

Please check the salaries - do they seems to be within the range of what your wife expects to earn? (I see a lot of $35k to $50k positions.)

If your wife were a software developer, H-1b promponents, including most Congressmen, would say that it is not your wife's age, but rather that she "failed to keep her skills up to date." U.S. employers deserve access to the "best and brightest" talent, and as would say "there is no job in the U.S. that is a god-given right."

The first "worksheet tab" is HR PERM - the greencards that were issued to foreign HR workers after a "fake job ad" showing that "not qualified Americans were available." If you wife had applied to any of those jobs, she didn't have a chance because the job was already filled by a foreign worker.

Do you believe that Congress and DOL should be serving the needs to U.S. Citizens, or serving the interests of multi-national corporations? I think the former. H-1b should only be granted after a public showing that "no qualified Americans were available." And in this economy, H-1b should be suspended, and current H-1b workers sent home to free up jobs for U.S. citizens.

H-1b are temporary workers. When times get bad corporations let go of their temporary help. U.S. should do the same.

Jan 1, 2010 3:59 AM Dolores Dolores  says: in response to Kim Berry - Programmers Guild

Back in the 70's my mom was trained as a programmer by the company she worked for. She already had a math aptitude (ivy league education) and her company was profitable and a major industry leader for decades with company-trained people like her. Now they (and a bunch of other companies who went with H-1Bs) are history. Coincidence?

Jan 1, 2010 5:01 AM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to Kim Berry - Programmers Guild

If a company has to train an H-1B visa holder in order gain the skills it could have gained by offering the same training to an existing worker, then that is an abuse of the system. Any employer who abuses the H-1B visa program, or any federal program, should have to pay a price that would ensure that it wouldn't happen again.

Jan 1, 2010 5:45 AM debug debug  says:

Just go to any company in the Silicon Valley that is heavily infested with H1-b workers.  First, its hard to find a non-indian and if you do find one they don't hire Americans over 40.  So sad when writers like you, write about stuff but never have been in an IT shop.  Gone are

EEOC rights mostly hindi is spoken without the care that there are 2 people in the department that does not speak hindi.

Jan 1, 2010 5:48 AM debug debug  says: in response to Don Tennant

Don, only if it happens in the "real" world.  In the real world nobody complains about H1-b violations, every American is just trying to stay employed.

Jan 1, 2010 5:54 AM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to debug

Why on earth would you write that I've never been in an IT shop?

Jan 1, 2010 5:57 AM wage slave wage slave  says: in response to Don Tennant

My heart goes out to your wife. Age discrimination is a real problem when there is an over supply of labor in a contraction.

Ask your wife if she has gone on interviews that seem lame. The fact is that the interviewer looses interest as soon as they see her. At that point, the interview becomes short. Sometimes the interviewer asks a couple of standard questions and doesn't even try to explore the potential.

I've been on more then a few lame interviews. I used to leave these interviews thinking how did this person get to this position? They don't seem to even know what the job entails. None of the questions were pertinent to the position. It didn't take long to figure it out. They didn't want to waste their time. They had already made a decision.

If there was truely a shortage of qualified applicants older workers would be in demand.

Jan 1, 2010 6:47 AM Tunnel Rat Tunnel Rat  says: in response to Don Tennant

"Why on earth would you write that I've never been in an IT shop? "

Because you write like an idiot.  If you have been in an IT shop, maybe it wasn't as a real I.T. worker.  It probably wasn't recently.

Many now Hindu ghettos that are 80-90% Indian.  I worked at one where my team had 15 people, 4 non-Indians, and 2 white women.  The rest were local Indians, and 7 where shipped in from New Delhi, all under-30, and kept in a hotel around the corner.

IMHO, your wife is getting some Karmic retribution for your pro-Indian shilling.


Jan 1, 2010 9:19 AM Dolores Dolores  says: in response to Don Tennant

There are only about a bazillion ways to underpay H-1Bs. Most are either legal or hard to detect. Employers have a big financial incentive to hire them instead of us, so guess what they do? And if the H-1B falls out of status, nobody makes them go home. ICE doesn't go after them. They can just flit from one bodyshop to another. Often their employer is just a contract labor outfit, in which case the actual work site company doesn't need to concern itself with US labor law at all. Ironically, some companies end up paying more to the bodyshop than they would if they hired us, but the convenience of short-term contingent labor makes it worthwhile to them. Of course, the billing rate does not get passed to the employee, but is skimmed off by the bodyshop. Hang out at if you want to see labor laws get violated, and also develop a feel for how many loopholes there are for them to exploit. You'll read tips on how not to go back home, from legal maneuvers to dealing with positive TB test results. For every Apex in the news, there are dozens of bodyshops flying under the radar. Our country has become their job fair. Not ours.

Jan 1, 2010 10:56 AM Kim Berry - Programmers Guild Kim Berry - Programmers Guild  says: in response to Don Tennant

Don, under what statute or venue would a person seek a penalty like that? "Abuse of the system" is a meaningless term. All that matters is "legal" and "illegal." Try to file a civil case without a supporting statute and all you'll get is a sanction to pay the employer's $10k legal fee.

Currently Congress makes it LEGAL for INFOSYS and 1000 other employers to sponsor H-1b and train them, without ever considering the stack of more qualified American resumes in their inbox.

TCS boasts that their "competitive advantage" against U.S. firms for U.S. contracts is there ability to pay their H-1b workers 25% less then they would have to pay Americans with similar skills. It is LEGAL!

For a decade the Programmers Guild has been calling for a provision to first consider qualified U.S. applicants. And for a decade the deep-pocket industry lobbyists have argued that would be "unduly burdensome" on corporations that need to "move fast" to hire the "Best and brightest" - it's all nonsense, but congress and media sucks it up.

I think we have some common ground - we both agree that is an abuse.

Happy new year,


Jan 1, 2010 12:22 PM Kim Berry - Programmers Guild Kim Berry - Programmers Guild  says:

Hi Don,

I have witnessed first hand younger, less experienced H-1b workers being hired for consultant positions over better qualified Americans. The Americans never knew why they didn't get the job. The reason was because the H-1b were offering to work for below market rates.

In practice there is no "prevailing wage" requirement for H-1b. Many, if no most, are hired as workers a bodyshops. The bodyshops then agressively market their resumes to job openings. No law says that HP, for example, cannot pay $80/hour for one Oracle DBA consultant, but then hire a second one for $40 per hour - not as "employees" but as consultants.

The H-1b program is a key tool in age discrimination. Employers used to view their IT staff as long term investments. If the shop changed from C++ to Java, the employer funded training for their employees. H-1b has perverted the supply/demand factor. No employers are more likely to lay off their C++ employees and bring in some H-1b that claim to know Java. (In practice they might not - they use Google and cobble something together - just as the Americans could have done even without training.)

Many bodyshops offer "crash courses" to give the H-1b workers the skills needed to secure contracts. You can see the "H-1b Industry" at this site:

Several Americans have inquired about these free training classes - In call cases they were told "sorry the class if full or cancelled."

Jan 1, 2010 12:34 PM Kim Berry - Programmers Guild Kim Berry - Programmers Guild  says:

Hi Don,

Riddle me this:

1) Why do so many people in the U.S. believe there is a shortage of "scientists and engineers" in the U.S. when their salaries range from around $50k to $80k - but no one claims of a shortage of attorneys, who charge around $250/hour? Since wages are set by supply/demand, wouldn't the wages be the other way around if there were a shortage?

2) Why are managers, congressman, and attorneys, able to gain the most respect, become partners, and earn their highest salary when they are in their 50s and getting gray hair? But once a software developer starts getting gray hair, that alone can be the factor in not getting a job?

Might the flooding of H-1b into the tech workforce be a factor - 35% displacement has occurred, according to your rough estimate.

Jan 1, 2010 12:44 PM Kim Berry - Programmers Guild Kim Berry - Programmers Guild  says:

Hi Don,

The largest users of H-1b are Indian bodyshops and consulting firms. H-1b promponents claim that H-1b workers have "specialized skills." But typically these employees have NO SKILLS other than a college degree.

These Indian entities have institutionalized age discrimination:

"It's notable that the average age of all Infosys employees is only 26 years-compared with 36 years at Microsoft and Google about 30. The workforce includes 64 different nationalities from around the world, and 34% of client facing personnel are non-Indian. Over 90% of the employees have an engineering degree: 80% Bachelors and 10% with Masters Degrees."

PLEASE NOTE THE WEASEL IN THE ABOVE: Perhaps only 5% of "client-facing" employees are Indian - meaning that over 95% of total staff could be Indian.

Note the training program that they provide to new hires:

"After a rigorous selection process, every employee goes through 3 months of intensive training at a special training facility at Mysore which houses 4,500 people, about 80 miles from the Bangalore headquarters."

Spoiled U.S. employers expect their candidates to possess recent experience in a laundry list of skills. Look at Microsoft job posting for example. Until Microsoft et al have similar training programs for new hires, we do not believe their claims that they cannot find any "qualified Americans" - might be be "qualified" after three months of intensive training?

KEY QUESTION: Wouldn't displaced U.S. tech workers with 20 years of experience be just as capable of becoming current with "3 months of intensive training" as new grads with no experience to draw from?

Abolish H-1b and we would see U.S. employers finding ways to meet their staffing needs with Americans.

Jan 2, 2010 1:28 AM wage slave wage slave  says: in response to Don Tennant

Don Tennant    says in response to Kim Berry - Programmers Guild: "If a company has to train an H-1B visa holder in order gain the skills it could have gained by offering the same training to an existing worker, then that is an abuse of the system. Any employer who abuses the H-1B visa program, or any federal program, should have to pay a price that would ensure that it wouldn't happen again."

I couldn't agree more. There are economic reasons why morally corrupt IT managers want someone else to train people for their positions. The bottom line is they don't want to pay for the learning curve. They would rather steal an employee that someone else has trained. Employers that do train don't do it more then once because as soon as a developer has reached their productivity peak they leave to a competitor who can afford to pay more because they didn't make the capitol outlay for training. By not training the next generation of developers IT managers maintain a perpetual state of labor shortages for specific skill sets.

H1b's solve the problem for IT management. Not because they are qualified, but because they are trapped with the employer. To switch employers once they reach their productivity peak they must leave the country, reapply for a new H1b, and wait. Few H1b's are willing to pay the opportunity costs and disrupt their lives to switch employers only to face the same problem with the next employer. So, without mobility they have to accept substantially lower stagnant wages as they cannot negotiate a free market salary. That puts the American IT worker at a competitive disadvantage for entry level positions.  

Jan 2, 2010 1:41 AM Kim Berry - Programmers Guild Kim Berry - Programmers Guild  says: in response to wage slave

Thanks wage-slave.

Circa 1996 I was a programmer at NEC Electronics in Roseville California. Wage rates were set by HR and were below what nearby HP and Intel paid.

NEC lost an Oracle DBA consultant for higher pay.

NEC spent $$$ taking a programmer and training them to be an Oracle DBA. Within a year that person gave 2 weeks notice - left for more pay at Intel.

I overheard the managers saying "the next DBA we hire will be an H-1b because we know they can't quit." Indeed that's what they did. Then after I and a few others left for HP I understand they backfilled with indentured H-1b - not because there were no Americans - they hired H-1b over Americans because the H-1b could not go work somewhere else!

Abuse? Maybe. But Congress made that a legal use of H-1b. Our congressmen who are supposed to represent our interests have instead displaced 500,000 highly qualified Americans out of their careers. Programmers Guild has been raising this to Congress for over a decade. They do NOTHING!

When you see apparent "bad attitude" like ITGrunt - walk a mile in his shoes before you judge.

Jan 2, 2010 1:49 AM EMM EMM  says: in response to Kim Berry - Programmers Guild

Don, I feel for your spouse. I'm 52, and dread getting laid off because I make more than my husband and we'll be screwed both by H-1B and age discrimination.

I work at a large controls company -- industrial and aerospace firm beginning with 'H' and ending with 'well'. I'm in aerospace, we used to do a lot of software engineering. In the early 90s we employed thousands of people. By mid-2000s we laid most US employees off and staffed up in India, China, Russia and Czech Republic, but mostly in India. Also in Puerto Rico, where we take full advantage of the 25% plus unemployment rate to get low-wage new grads. (But at least they pay US taxes.)

About 80% of SW engineers are now in India. The rest of us triple-check their work. If they have to do it 3 times, it STILL saves money. Most who come over here are men under 25. They are housed in apartments close to work and provided cabfare and housekeeping. Meanwhile I work a 60 hr work week (uncompensated overtime of course) and pay for my own housekeeper and gas. I've seen a HANDFUL of Indian women here in the last decade. I feel my workplace is a lot like the early 1950s must have been like for women. Except replace the Indian Hindu males with white men. Diversity is gone from the workplace.

When a US worker quits or transfers, we never replace them with someone US. We select someone from India, ask them to commit 3 years to our company, and then play Visa games with L-1 til we can bring them over and train them. Usually a day before they hit the 6-month mark, they are shipped back home and with them goes the job.

My CEO was the one who introduced Obama when Obama had his post-inauguration summit with 'industry leaders'. ALL complain that there are no young ones getting degrees. All offshore. Except of course, the C-suite. That stays white-male, and it turns my stomach to see CEOs acting and being treated like the "Great White Father" when they go over there to India--all feted and garlanded and sung to.

I happen to also have a few Indian friends and there's a movement there to overthrow this new type of colonization. However both their mainstream political parties are in bed with industry there as well..

Jan 2, 2010 3:24 AM 40SomethingSurplusEngineeringLabor 40SomethingSurplusEngineeringLabor  says:

I have not worked a decent gig since 2003.  Because of this I will be filing Chapter 7 bankruptcy.  I suppose that I am fortunate that I managed to sock away a nice nest egg in my retirement accounts (exempt from bankruptcy) and even more so that I managed to avoid the market swoon.

I did everything that my high school counselor and collegiate professors said I should do - be a well studied STEM graduate and have a life of doing high level work in a technical field.  Is my value to society now on the order of a near minimum wage job?  Is this what our society has come to?

Jan 2, 2010 11:34 AM Paul Polak Paul Polak  says: in response to Don Tennant

Your response shows that you are reading and, perhaps, seeing the injustice in the current law on H-1b, but be assured, enforcement of the current law is worthless.  No law is being broken due to loopholes written into the law by our elected legislators. Loopholes make breaking the spirit of the law possible. We should stand in awe of how cleverly those politicians and lawyers crafted the downfall of America's technological advantage in the world.

Jan 3, 2010 2:10 AM wage slave wage slave  says: in response to Paul Polak

I agree with you that enforcement of current visa law is worthless.The problem is that the whole guest worker concept is flawed.That flaw or loophole is transforming the cultural composition of the entire work force, driving down everyone's wages, and creating a national security problem that will soon threatening the entire US industrial base.

As I described in my previous post, college graduates and pidgin holed workers are being locked out of the entry level IT labor market in favor of economically trapped labor.Most people don't realize that it was a natural progression for IT management to switch from the practice of pidgin holing the finest and brightest college graduates to a system of guest worker enslavement.

I don't know if you're familiar with the practice in the information technology industry called pidgin holing.Employers used to converge on universities just before graduation offering on the job training to the finest and brightest.What they don't tell these graduates is that they are filling legacy system maintenance positions that the seasoned engineers knew would end their careers if the stay to long.Because new hires are trapped in old technology Peter principal managers were willing to pay for the learning curve and provide substantially less valued work experience.

As older and wiser workers jump ship to stay on top of the technology curve, it creates a labor void for slow and greedy managers that want to pad their bottom line by extending out the depreciated costs of a legacy system well past its useful shelf life.

Eventually, new start ups with the competitive advantages of using more cost effective technology start threatening to take market share from the Peter principal managers.Desperate to keep their competitive cost advantages, incompetent Peter managers resorted to the practice of pidgin holing.Through pidgin holing they managed to maintain their legacy systems and reap additional short term cost saving by externalizing them on to the technology trapped college new hires who ended up with a substandard wage, stagnant wage growth, and a long period of unemployment when the employer is finished with them.Sound familiar?

Do to their short sightedness Peter managers resorted to emergency accelerated development to catch up.They started hiring only people with three or more years experience for the new development.That pushes their projects three or more years down the learning curve on the new development while at the same time maintaining the legacy system personal as resident experts on system requirements.The legacy system personal continues to provide upgrades to meet current needs until the conversion is complete than they are discarded to avoid paying for the learning curve of bringing them up to speed.This practice externalizes the cost of their decisions totally on to the legacy system workers.     

Peter principal managers will never admit to the fact that extending the shelf life out was not the smartest move because it cost more in the long run.The added cost of accelerated development and simultaneously maintaining legacy systems during emergency conversions far exceeds any cost gain form stretching out the life cycle provide.They end up paying more hiring back the limited pool of up to date talent for new development and at the same time maintain legacy system personal.

I think you can see the value to Peter managers of trapped foreign workers and the progression from pidgin holing to a new form on steroids; Reply

Jan 3, 2010 2:10 AM wage slave wage slave  says: in response to Paul Polak
visas.The minute government got involved bailing out Peter managers for their bad decisions there were going to be unintended consequences which brings me to the national security issue.

This whole mess is being sold as bringing in the finest and brightest foreign workers, but what is really happening is a denial of work experience to entry level and discarded legacy system workers.American IT workers are very affectively being phased out in favor of trapped foreign workers.So, what happens when short sited management gets 80% of their needs met by foreign labor and there is a dispute with their country of origin?American industry will be on its knees while displaced American IT workers are brought up to speed.

Don, do an experiment to see if I'm right.Research the resume mills looking for entry level IT positions available each year then compare your findings with the number of STEM graduates plus the number of displaced legacy system workers.You're going to find that over 98% of the listings are for three or more years of recent paid work experience in ether the latest technology or legacy system maintenance.My guess is that there are not enough entry level positions to absorb more then 10% of the graduates.Managers are not advertizing for entry level positions because they are getting them from somewhere else.Contrary to industry propaganda, it has never been about not finding experienced people to fill positions.It is a smoke screen hiding a dirty little secret;H1b visas are being used to fill entry level positions forcing American workers out of the field by recent work experience attrition.          

Jan 3, 2010 4:38 AM Tom Tom  says: in response to Don Tennant

Wanna know who's getting the job instead of your wife, Don?

The guy below was an HR manager for an IT company- when the only important HR question is "Is candidate from India", you dont need your wife's education and years of experience.  He was caught in a dateline to catch a predator child molestor sting.  He jumped bail and dissapeared, but no doubt he has been replaced with another Indian.  This is the result of what YOU promote, Don.  An environment where a child molestor sitting in India right now has a better chance than your wife of getting an HR job

I found the following info below from this dateline youtube link;feature=related

Yahoo ID: puki_007us

Age: 24 at time of arrest (August, 2006)

Nationality: East Indian

Arrest Location: Petaluma, CA

Last known home: Sunnyvale, CA


Pulkit Mathur apparently did not want to make a good impression with his new adopted country. Mathur was a new immigrant from India at the time of his arrest, with a good job as an HR Manager with a local IT company. He was arrested as part of the August, 2006 sting in Petaluma, California, a sting which featured the arrest of many local men who worked for tech companies. Malthur fled within a month of making bail, and a warrant was issued for his re-arrest.

It is possible that Mathur has returned to India. However, if you know of his location in the United States, please do not contact him, harass him or his family, or do anything that could put yourself or anyone else at risk. Instead, please contact the Petaluma, CA police department with your information.

Jan 3, 2010 5:02 AM Tom Tom  says: in response to Tom

how many 55 year old women do you think applied for the job 24 year old 'pulkit' got a few years back, Don?

Jan 3, 2010 5:07 AM Carol Carol  says: in response to Don Tennant

Mr. Don,I have found this blog very interesting and I have learned alot from it. I am sorry to hear about your wife having a hard time. I also am having a hard time in finding a job. My husband and I fit in the age discrimination and we have been told every stupid line there is about why we cannot be hired. I feel our goverment has sold our soul to the devil and for the life of me I wonder where will it end.  My husband filed his case with the EEOC and they took his case. Now,I hope everyday that something great will come out of it. By the way, we are very American and we are so sick of everything being farmed out or being taken over. I even look at our hotels,motels,gas stations,etc...and if its not the Indians its the Mexican. Oh well, I just try to keep my head up and keep hoping for the best. Same to everyone else, best of luck to all.

Jan 3, 2010 10:47 AM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to Tom

What exactly is it that you think I promote that's at fault for the horrible set of circumstances you describe here?

Jan 4, 2010 6:25 AM Dolores Dolores  says: in response to Don Tennant

Newsflash for Don: you are on to something!

Maybe it wasn't just knee-jerk racism and xenophobia on our part after all?

Jan 5, 2010 2:23 AM Don Tennant Don Tennant  says: in response to Dolores

Pat Thibodeau is a good friend and a great guy, and he's one of the best writers out there on the H-1B issue. Thanks for sharing the links.

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