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The Five Things You Aren't Allowed to Discuss About Linux

Posted by Rob Enderle Feb 26, 2007 7:44:36 PM

I started writing about Linux not because I thought it interesting, fascinating, or even because I liked to code (I don't).

 

I started writing about Linux because I was told I couldn't and the more people told me I couldn't, and particularly when they said "or else," the more the Linux dirty laundry became attractive to me. In short, if anyone bothers to look at the sequence of events, they will see that the Linux community pushed me down this path. Granted I didn't fight much, but I have this thing about cover-ups. I believe they can lead to disasters both within a company and across a nation; here in the U.S. this last point, whether it be Global Warming or Iraq, would seem self evident.

 

So this time I'd like to talk about the five things you can't talk about without being attacked by OSS supporters. I'll take the heat, and as always, I'm not suggesting you stop deployment of Linux, I'm just suggesting you intelligently cover your backside.

 

One: Is Linux a Myth?

 

This strikes me as both the most obvious and the least talked about. We talk about Linux like an operating system when we compare it against Windows, we talk about it as a company when we compare it against Microsoft, and when we describe its attributes it almost seems super-human or god like.

 

Linux isn't a thing, and it sure isn't a god. When we compare an operating system to another we should be comparing the specific distribution, which is a thing. When we compare it to Microsoft we need a company to do that; Red Hat, Novell and now Oracle provide us with a framework so that we can intelligently compare one to another and assess the differences.

 

The reason Linux has been abstracted into a concept is so it doesn't have to compete on merit. It can be anything, in concept, it needs to be to win a deal. But we live in the real world where there needs to be a real product and a real support structure behind it. If we are actually doing an evaluation we have to evaluate what we are actually going to end up using and it isn't generic "Linux."

 

This isn't to say Linux can't or doesn't win in real comparisons, only that the majority I've seen weren't real comparisons. As a ex-auditor I care less about who wins than I care about the process that determines the winner. I've seen too many instances where decisions were made on products, including proprietary products, based on what appears to be graft. One CIO even won a Mercedes Benz for making the "right choice" -- we'll talk about that in a future post.

 

Presenting the products and companies in abstract was actually rather brilliant, however, I can't find a Steve Jobs-like person I can congratulated for this excellent work. It just seems to have happened that way naturally, but, if you are going to be successful, your justification needs to be solid and for that you'll need the specifics.

 

Linux is a grown up product; it isn't for everything or everyone though. Do your assessment with a real product against real metrics. SuSe and Red Hat are both capable enough to compete without cheating.

 

Two:  Is Linux Secure?

 

I already said there is no "Linux," so how can I now treat it like a thing? The easy path here would be to present the different security models for the different distributions but, for this purpose, I'm going to leave Linux in abstract and talk about the unique security problem it represents. I'm not saying Windows is more secure either; I'm saying the products are so different from each other that comparisons may not actually make much sense, which is why there are reports supporting both sides of this. So, let's start by saying nothing is secure enough if people are involved.

 

Long before IT stopped being just "it," security had three aspects: Physical Safety, Possession Protection, and Intelligence. The way security was breached in all cases was physical; people came in and did harm, stole, or deployed "spies." They didn't need viruses or hacks, they just pitted their intelligence against yours and, if they won, you lost and, in the case of harm, that loss could be terminal.

 

We know that crooks generally are crooks because they didn't do well in school, not because they graduated from the top of their class at MIT (though clearly this "rule" has been broken from time to time). We also know that the most successful kind of attack to get "intelligence" is a phishing attack, and what brought this into the news recently was HP's pretexting problem.

 

Linux is surrounded by people who generally don't even use real names and often "exaggerate" what they do for a living. Wonder over on Groklaw and you'll see a lot of legal experts, a few months back I corresponded with one. His legal "expertise" came from a class on contracts, and I'm not kidding, he took in high school. PJ, the woman who allegedly heads up this legal resource, is currently ducking service from SCO and lord knows what she is covering up (and I don't think it is that she works for IBM; they aren't that stupid).

 

We also know that when someone gets access to information it generally isn't reported anyplace, primarily because, at least until we figure the Quantum thing out, the activity itself doesn't prevent subsequent use by anyone else. For instance, after the Cold War ended, we were amazed at how much of what we had the Russians had copied. What drove our suspicions was the similarity in what resulted, and the fact we also had spies looking at their stuff.

 

Linux exists in an environment where there is broad collaboration, but no effort to validate the collaborators so the opportunity for traditional, old style, data breach is immeasurable.

 

We know that pretexting is wide-spread, how much easier (and harder to catch and convict) if the person doing the pretexting doesn't even have to come up with a real fake identity?

 

If you are using Linux and haven't done a physical security audit in a while and specifically looked at who is collaborating with whom, I would say it is likely well past time.

 

By the way, this is true whether you are using Linux or not; we generally are not focusing enough on physical security right now, particularly in home and branch offices. But that is for another time; a good resource is "Security Dreamer," which focuses on the topic of physical security in general; the author, Steve Hunt, is one of the best in the business.

 

If you are using UNIX, Linux, Windows or Apple, you need to ensure they are secure. OSs aren't security products; none of them are secure enough.

 

Three:  Do Communes Work?

 

If you step back and look at Linux from a distance it actually looks like this idea of community works, there is progress, and UNIX has been taking it in the shorts. But, when you get close, you see a political nightmare that can make the bureaucracy at IBM and Microsoft seem simple and almost streamlined by comparison.

 

Let's take the GPL; this is like watching a government working. This is the license that defines how you will use the product and what you will "pay" for it. Right now they can't even agree if they need a new one, and the two sides have, as they seem more than willing to do, degraded into name-calling. This has gotten to the point where Linus Torvalds, one of the nicest guys, has been called some rather nasty things, not by Microsoft, but by other Linux users.

 

The reason Communes do not work is a few do the work of many and aren't compensated for it. In general, the few are increasingly upset that others are benefiting from their efforts and the many get upset when they see things done they didn't want done.

 

The GPL 3.0 is a good example; a few are doing the work of many, and the end result is clearly, on my reading, anti-business. In fact, a committee had been put together with some of the largest and most powerful supporters of Linux, and because the framers disagreed with what the committee recommended, it was disbanded and the recommendations, apparently, will be disregarded.

 

Sounds like a government doesn't it? Everyone, and I mean everyone, who uses Linux will be impacted by the license. You'd better read it, and you'd darned well better make sure it is what you want it to be. There is one word for people that let any group or company unilaterally write a contract they have to live under, yet I've seen that word applied to the people who don't participate in communal efforts (and yes, voting is a communal effort, given how few participate in that, there should be no surprise we are in the mess we are in).

 

Now, if you wanted to participate but were blocked from participating, don't you think that speaks directly to whether an effort is, in fact, communal? Could I now argue that Linux is simply another name for OSF? Really, look at the language in GPL 3. If you have intellectual property to protect, your attorneys should have a major cow with regard to what is in that puppy. But they should read it regardless. Now there is a question of whether Linux will adopt it, but if you use a Linux based product, this is a question you should help answer.

 

If you are going to use Linux, you should get involved, even though the Free Software Foundation may not listen.  

 

Four:  Is Linux Pro-Developer, or Pro-You?

 

Maybe if you live in a Third World country and like to work for peanuts. Linux throws off very little cash; much of the revenue that comes from it is tied to services and hardware, and these services are generally, though not always, discounted below what they would be for a "proprietary" product. The applications that go on top of the platform are also discounted, many of them being "free" as well. Now Google is proving every day that the advertising model works and it can be very lucrative, but it may not work for you if you are an inside IT resource (though selling ads for you HR internal website would be a creative way to get more income for your department).

 

Employees often are valued based on the cost of what they work with. The higher the cost, the easier it is to justify an employee's salary. More important, if a product is expensive, the focus is often on the cost of the product, but if the product is free, the focus is on the cost of the employees.

 

Let's move out of industry where the example is clearer. If you are a Ferrari mechanic you make substantially more (I worked as a Jaguar mechanic while in college) than if you are a Chevy Mechanic. You may not be able to find work (not a lot of Ferrari dealerships), but you'll make a lot more money. Companies typically don't reduce salaries; they either get rid of the expensive people or outsource or both.

 

When I first started writing about Linux, I heard from over a thousand people that they disagreed, some rather violently, with what they thought I had written. For many, once they realized I'd actually not said what the excerpts they had read had implied, they actually entered into very real discussions.

 

Over the last two years the vast majority of them have lost their jobs due to outsourcing after their companies moved to Linux from UNIX. While I don't have enough to do more than suggest there is a cause and effect here, I can say that the use of Linux neither protected their job nor made them more valuable to their employer; in fact it seemed to have done the opposite.

 

Recently, outsourcing has slowed; I think this is because companies finally realized that sending a critical part of the firm to the Third World made execution all but impossible.   However, have you noticed that Sun has started to come back?

 

While we were all distracted by the whole Microsoft vs. Linux BS, the real fight wasn't between Windows and a Linux distribution; it was between Linux and HP-UX, Solaris, and AIX instead. IBM and HP did both, and are complex companies which conceal the impact of the move, but Sun is simple and arguably the strongest UNIX firm. As companies bring IT back from the Third World, UNIX appears to be coming back as well, and I think that is partially because developers understand that it is a vastly more financially beneficial platform.  I also think CIOs are starting to remember that being in the software development business carries with it too much risk, and that depending on vendors like Sun, EMC, HP, and IBM provides a more sure result.

 

In any case, if we accept (and OSF in particular would not agree to this) that financial success is the primary measure of a successful platform, Linux has done very poorly historically against the alternatives, and both UNIX and mainframes seem to be coming back as a result.

 

By the way, Google is a really good example of how to use Linux and make tons of money doing so, so I'm not saying it is anti-business, as I mentioned above; it is FSF that appears doing that. I'm not sure Linux is pro-anything, though it is clearly positioned most often against Microsoft.

 

Products have implications that go beyond code; they have implications for organizational structure, for salaries, and for best use. Before you advocate anything new, you may want to think a bit on the secondary impacts; the grass may be greener, but it may be wise to also watch where you step. (I have three dogs, and they suggested I mention this).

 

Is Linux is "Open"?

 

How can anything be "Open" if honest discussion isn't allowed?

 

If you think a Microsoft product sucks you can say that to great detail without having to be afraid of your job, apparently even if you work for Microsoft (which I kind of find surprising). But if you suggest that Linux isn't ready for the desktop -- which I do often because it isn't -- you'll have folks coming after your job and, sometimes, suggesting you won't be long for this world. Some of the mail has been rather nasty (though I do admit it has moderated of late).

 

No product is perfect for everything. What made Windows good for the desktop is largely what makes Linux a better product for some servers, and the opposite is true. I think that Microsoft made a huge strategic mistake when it merged the workstation/server code base with the desktop code base. They optimized for them and forgot about the customer. I could say that then, and I can say that now without any concern for my safety.

 

As an analyst I actually had to quit my job to have the same freedom of speech with Linux. According to The Register, there is actually some kind of a strike team that comes after me every time I say something positive on Microsoft or negative on Linux. And I'm not alone: Laura DiDio at Yankee gets sexual harassed, and Dan Lyons over at Forbes is attacked regularly, although he does have supporters as well.  

 

Let's take indemnification; this should be a topic every company should suddenly be looking very closely at. Microsoft just got nailed with a whopping $1.53 Billion, that's with a "B", judgment for the use of a common music standard. They did this because they indemnified Dell and Gateway, the companies initially targeted. If they had used Linux instead of Windows, it would be Dell and Gateway hit with some fraction of this judgment (and even a fraction of $1.52B is a big number). So where is the coverage? Don't you think it should be a hot topic right now, so where is the chatter?

 

There are at least two sides to everything. What I've observed with OSS in general and Linux in particular (and this applies to Apple as well) is there is a distinct effort to make sure only the popular side can speak.

 

I think the thing that bothers me the most about Linux is IT advocacy. IT shouldn't be an advocate of any product, because it needs to make determinations between them. Whether it is Microsoft, Apple, or Linux, once IT takes a side it is no longer capable of properly assessing a solution based on the needs of the business. And that is the job.

 

IT needs to ensure, not prevent, discussion so that the best product, company, or service is chosen, and when they can't do that, they should find other jobs.

 

When only one side is heard, you don't have "Open," and you sure as heck don't have "Free" as in Freedom, which, to me is more important than "Free" as in "Free Beer." If, to get "Free" Software, we give up "Free" Speech the cost, at least to me, is way the heck too high.

 

Wrapping Up:

 

I stopped at five things but there are clearly more we could chat about.

 

Like why don't we talk about Apple vs. Linux? In the last trial I participated on for the desktop, Windows won, Linux missed by a mile but Apple only by a hair (and Apple will be pulling that hair next month).

 

Does the Free Software Foundation own Linux? They appear to be trying to rename it.

 

Who's side is Steve Ballmer or Richard Stallman on? (I would argue it is Stallman and the GPL 3.0 do more to kill Linux than anthing Microsoft could conceive of, and that Ballmer's statements generally benefit, though unintentionally, Linux).

 

When I was growing up a popular T-Shirt Slogan was "Question Authority." Take a look around, what are people afraid to ask questions about, what isn't being discussed that should be? I believe in preventing mistakes, not constantly finding creative ways to blame someone else.  Ask questions, get answers.

Feb 28, 2007 6:47 PM Guest Ryan  says:

What a breath of fresh air, I like Windows at the moment, granted it has its bugs but it works. It's easy to use and does most of the grunt work for me. When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something.When Linux does that I'll consider changing. 

Feb 28, 2007 7:34 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

This is generally why the entrenched vendor is always favored and that the only real way to displace them is to change the game.    A few years from now when Linux does plug and play, Microsoft will have moved the bar and well say; if Linux did  then we would use it.   It really is way behind.  

 

Apple is actually vastly closer but even if Apple licensed (and OEMs trusted Apple not to cheat) which is unlikely, they could never catch Microsoft from behind. 

 

Nearly a decade ago while working at ROLM (telecom vendor) we looked at building a competitive product to Crosstalk.  This offering was dominant in the modem space and was used to connect to the various services like CompuServe and AOL.   We concluded that they were so far ahead, in terms of interoperability, that there was no reasonable way we could catch up, they couldnt be beat.  Then came the Internet and Crosstalk was instantly obsolete. 

 

In effect Netscape killed Crosstalk, not by building a better Crosstalk, by changing the field of combat.  If Linux or Apple wants to beat Microsoft they have to change the game.  Both seem unwilling to do that and even though Microsoft is clearly no longer executing particularly well they are simply too entrenched to be removed by trying to build a better Windows.  

 

Google is actually trying to change the game (in a way Netscape did as well but then lost their way and self destructed). �

Mar 6, 2007 11:36 AM Guest R. White  says:

Well, this is about one of the best articles I've read in a long time. As an IT professional working in the industry since the late 1980's, I couldn't agree more on the focus this article contains.The fact that comparing OS's has turned into a prime example of how religious have three results - 1. It wastes a whole lot of people's time, 2. almost no one benefits from it and, 3. it consumes a lot of money that could be better spent elsewhere."IT shouldn’t be an advocate of any product, because it needs to make determinations between them. Whether it is Microsoft, Apple, or Linux, once IT takes a side it is no longer capable of properly assessing a solution based on the needs of the business. And that is the job.  IT needs to ensure, not prevent, discussion so that the best product, company, or service is chosen, and when they can’t do that, they should find other jobs."Thanks for the blog Rob. Keep up the good work... 

Mar 6, 2007 11:39 AM Guest R. White  says:

quote comment="56"Well, this is about one of the best articles I've read in a long time. As an IT professional working in the industry since the late 1980's, I couldn't agree more on the focus this article contains. <br>The fact that comparing OS's has turned into a prime example of how religious wars have three results - 1. It wastes a whole lot of people's time, 2. almost no one benefits from it and, 3. it consumes a lot of money that could be better spent elsewhere. <br> "IT shouldn’t be an advocate of any product, because it needs to make determinations between them. Whether it is Microsoft, Apple, or Linux, once IT takes a side it is no longer capable of properly assessing a solution based on the needs of the business. And that is the job.  IT needs to ensure, not prevent, discussion so that the best product, company, or service is chosen, and when they can’t do that, they should find other jobs. <br>"Thanks for the blog Rob. Keep up the good work... [/quote]

Mar 6, 2007 12:16 PM Guest Hans Averdung  says:

Linux needs PnP AND installers ASAP to become a real desktop alternative for mass-production users. Making everyone learn to use RPM is an unrealistic goal, and won't work, the same way "making everyone learn to use DOS" never worked. Apple's showed the way to make *nix palatable: slap a GUI on top, make the OS do the "grunt work" and make it simple to use (forget the "easy", the normal user will always find general-purpose computers complicated because any general-purpose appliance, like the automobile, is complicated). Google apps, USB drives and a reinterpretation of the thin-client paradigm (a barebones OS that'll connect fast AND do the processor work locally -- because sending all that data back and forth is slow and expensive) may work in some near future, but in the meantime, we're stuck with today's big OSs, and Linux still needs to be polished to really stand up to Win/FreeBSD (aka Apple). And don't get me started on LDAP versus AD...

Mar 6, 2007 12:48 PM Guest Robin Jackson  says:

Things that you "can't" discuss? Obviously you can.  While you pose some interesting points they are addressable.  1. Is Linux a myth? No Linux is a kernel, nothing more nothing less.  Your point about distributions is very good and while some would raise Linux to the level of "god" most of us are far more pragmatic.  2. Is linux secure?  Your using a syllogism here.  Just because "some" contributors go by monikers does not obviate the fact that open, observable code is more secure because it has had MANY eyes looking for holes, backdoors, etc.  The same cannot be said of much proprietary SW. 3. Your point about communes is obviously invalid, as proven by the fact that Linus has been called names.  There is a strong, hierarchical control of all of the successful Open Source packages.  It's required in any good sw development effort.  4. Linux is not the reason for the paradigm shift that you have spotted, it is just one of many manifestations of the concept of "openness."  The paradigm is popping up all over.  Is Linux to blame?  Probably not! 5. Is Linux open?  Can you see the source code?  Can you go every inch of it with a fine tooth comb if you like? Yes.  What does openness have to do with casting Moltov cocktails?  There are as many people who are fanatical about the various Linux distributions as there are MS Windows.  Yelling "fire" in a crowd of pyros isn't a good idea, neither is yelling "not ready" in a group that has been using Linux for years.  But again, the "openness" of the dialogue has nothing to do with the openness of the product.

Mar 6, 2007 12:59 PM Guest Robin Jackson  says:

[quote comment="26"]What a breath of fresh air, I like Windows at the moment, granted it has its bugs but it works. It's easy to use and does most of the grunt work for me. When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something.When Linux does that I'll consider changing. [/quote]

 

You OBVIOUSLY are not using any recent flavor of Linux, Ubuntu's Synaptics Package Manager, SUSE's YAST, or Linspire's CRN are all credible, highghly usable and simple interfaces that handle dependencies, etc. seamlessly.  The last time I was on the command line installing software was doing IBM Websphere and I gave their Senior VP of SW Development HELL about it.

Mar 6, 2007 12:59 PM Guest murdock  says:

I wholly enjoyed the frank and open nature of this article.  Perhaps there isn't much new material, but presenting the points in such a direct fashion is something long overdue.I feel however that the article downplays many of the positive influences Linux has made on the IT world.  If not for anything else, Linux has shown that Microsoft in many ways seemingly took serious advantage of its customers with weak security and buggy operating systems and software.  Until Linux arrived, it was thought that malware and viruses were inevitable consequences of computing.  Microsoft would not have initiated any sort of security campaign if there was no open competition or seemingly viable alternatives.  And iIf anyone is changing the game in the IT world, it is the Linux advocates.  The IT world is changing from software development into service providers, Microsoft notwithstanding.  And without the realization from Linux, this would never have happened.   What the internet is changing in the information world, Linux is doing in the technology world.Accordingly, I feel it is important to compare different operating systems, not for any zealous reasons, but simply to discern any sort of functionalities or features we might have missed.Lastly, although it is unfortunate that many programmers and developers have been financially impacted by the Linux storm, changing gears in any industry will inevitably hurt the busy people in the short term.  When the combine machine was invented, the serfs and lower class were suddenly unemployed and left out of the economic currents of the country.  But eventually, the industrial age evolved and developed, until not many people in the western world still would complain about the invetion of the combine machine.

Mar 6, 2007 1:06 PM Guest Robin Jackson  says:

quote comment="58"Linux needs PnP AND installers ASAP to become a real desktop alternative for mass-production users. Making everyone learn to use RPM is an unrealistic goal, and won't work, the same way "making everyone learn to use DOS" never worked. Apple's showed the way to make *nix palatable: slap a GUI on top, make the OS do the "grunt work" and make it simple to use (forget the "easy", the normal user will always find general-purpose computers complicated because any general-purpose appliance, like the automobile, is complicated). Google apps, USB drives and a reinterpretation of the thin-client paradigm (a barebones OS that'll connect fast AND do the processor work locally -- because sending all that data back and forth is slow and expensive) may work in some near future, but in the meantime, we're stuck with today's big OSs, and Linux still needs to be polished to really stand up to Win/FreeBSD (aka Apple). And don't get me started on LDAP versus AD...[/quote] Please...if your going to argue then you need to have experience with the product that is less than 5 years old.  Most recent tech articles and personal experience show that Ubuntu and SUSE install cleaner and recognize MORE hardware than Vista out of the box and the drivers are more reliable.  RPM?  Get out of the stone ages and please please find a box that you can play on and look at Ubuntu, SUSE, or Linspire objectively.

Mar 6, 2007 11:09 PM Guest Roopesh  says:

The mistake we all made always is comparing Linux with Windows. Linux is Linux and Windows is Windows.Those who advocate Linux always say, Linux too has it or Microsoft copied it from us. But can they honestly claim that, Linux is as good as Windows? of course Linux is a good Operating System, but you need to know where to put it. It can be a good SMTP Gateway or it can be a good DNS server or it can be a good web server. But can it compete with Microsoft AD or Exchange or MOM, Yes Linux lovers may claim yes Linux can do it... OK we can agree on that too, Linux "Can do it" but the question is, Can it compete with AD, Exchange or MOM on stability and TCO.It may be possible for a Linux techie to download hundreds of source codes and from net and customize it to achieve these. But If you deploy these customized codes in a corporate environment and some day, if something goes wrong, will they get any support from those who published those source codes?I am not trying to say Linux is bad here.. it is a great initiative.. But these days it appears that the main objective of these groups is to target few cooperates rather than developing new codes. And it has become a fashion among techies to be pro-Linux to get a Genius Image. And most of these self proclaimed Linux techies have just half baked Linux skills, but projecting themselves as Linux techie is a short cut to get genius image among the society.Linux is good at its place and Windows is good for what it is... and Even those who are at Microsoft accept it as a fact, but you cannot expect the same “openness” from the other side.Now if you are supporting OSS, because of your anti-capitalist or socialist ideology, let me ask this.. who benefited more from Linux? Is it the poor people of third world? Or organisations such as IBM Oracle RedHat…? Did any of these organisation has ever done any charities in any third world countries which is anywhere near Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation does. Who is the large user or Information Technologies? Is it the poor people in the third world or the capitalist or developed countries? So by advocating free software who is going to get benefited more?I am not denying the fact that free software can be helpful for academic institutions and non-profitable / charity organisations… But it is a fact that most of the companies like Microsoft are providing software free of cost or at subsidised rate to charities and academic institutions.I was not comparing Linux Vs Windows Here... I was just trying to say what I feel about these “FOSS movement and how they see others.” After all.. Windows is Windows and Linux is Linux.

Mar 7, 2007 10:11 AM Guest juancho  says:

quote comment="67"The mistake we all made always is comparing Linux with Windows. Linux is Linux and Windows is Windows.Those who advocate Linux always say, Linux too has it or Microsoft copied it from us. But can they honestly claim that, Linux is as good as Windows?[/quote]A few lines from:http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8124627492.htmloh!! i'm sorry, it is 2 years old!!!

Mar 7, 2007 12:43 PM Guest david barker  says:

He don't arf go on. There is a need for a desktop and eventualy Linux open source will take over, what ever the knockers might say. 

Mar 8, 2007 12:54 PM Guest Kant  says:

 some of those "five things" aren't so in my opinion. for example, security: linux inherits the UNIX model, therefor it is secure as a properly designed multiuser system. it doesn't get more complicated than that, except if you start tlking about bugs and that kind of stuff. some of what you say IS true, but I think you missed the point. every society is self-regulated, there are always things that most people somewhere don't want to discuss, and that is because we are humans, not because we use linux. one last thing: seen as how some pieces of free software exist and are excelent (apache, linux kernel, some GNU stuff, blender, etc.), I'd say that "communes" do work. they may not be nice, they may be chaotic, but they produce output and therefor do work. ~Kantp.s.: english is only my second language, so you may forgive me for the expectable small mistakes in the writing. 

Mar 8, 2007 1:58 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Thanks for the thoughts.  My point on security is that Linux has different attack vectors that likely will be more successful with it.   Because it is community based it should be easier to come in as a trusted member of the community and penetrate security that way.  Weve known for some time that most crooks still use tried and true methods to penetrate security and physical penetration is likely comparatively easy given the trusting nature of the community and a lack of focus on identity. 

 

Agreed- Whether it is religion or Linux the cause of the behavior is what we are not what we use.  But then youll see me draw that parallel a lot.  

 

I spent a lot of years studying people and Im fascinated that few seem to apply human reasoning to things like Open Source where, you would think, that reasoning would be incredibly important.  Of course I could say the same thing about HR which has sucked for decades thanks largely to some well meaning liberals who tossed the baby out with the bathwater but well save that for another time. 

 

With the communes, it would be more correct to say they have worked in the past but, at least my unscientific observation, is the community has changed a lot in the years following the dotcom collapse, a lot of the quality people have moved on to other jobs or simply retired and, at least to me, it feels like the offerings are struggling a bit with updates and patches.  My sense is that when few do most of the work for many who benefit eventually the few get pissed and move on. 

 

Well see; but it is worth watching. 

 

Thanks for the post!

Mar 9, 2007 10:57 AM Guest Michael  says:

This article says absolutely nothing that I can use.  I want the time I wasted on this returned.  Maybe you can send me a percentage of the fee Microsoft send you.Now, could you explain this trivil?"Rob is President and Principal Analyst of the Enderle Group, a forward looking emerging technology advisory firm, and one of the most recognized commentators on tech"

Mar 9, 2007 12:13 PM Guest Eric H  says:

What a TROLL!!!  Seriously.  The problem is that so many people listen to idiots that have barely a clue of which they speak - folks like Enderle.

The entire premise of this post, stated in the first three paragraphs, is ridiculous.  So it follows that the rest of post is, at best, irrelevant.

You said "...I have this thing about cover-ups."  And, "Id like to talk about the five things you cant talk about without being attacked by OSS supporters."

Do you not know what the word 'open' means?  In the context of your post, it means the source code is 'open' for all to see and modify.  It also describes the process by which Linux is developed - out in the 'open' for all to see.  Yet you talk about "cover-ups."

Linux is developed in the open for everyone to see.  You mentioned some tiff between Linus and others in the community regarding GPL v3.  You got to see that because it was done in the open.  Do you believe there are never disagreements inside proprietary software companies?  Realistically, you just aren't typically aware that disagreements behind closed doors, unless something extraordinary like chair throwing occurs.

I'm sure that you will point to my comments here as "proof" that you get attacked when talking about "the 5 things you aren't allowed to discuss".  My retort would be that you get attacked because you are so utterly wrong about these 5 things.

Here's one clue... If you want to seek out and expose cover-ups, you should look somewhere that the product and the process is not done completely out in the open for all to see.

I would suggest you go pick some random, large software company in Redmond and look for cover-ups there.  Will you find copyrighted, open source code in their products illegally?  I don't know, I can't see their source code to find out.  Will you find that chairs fly when disagreements occur?  I don't know, I can't see the process first hand.  I do know that there is a large software company in Redmond that has been convicted at least twice of abusing its monopoly power and/or using illegal tactics to kill the competition.  I also know that more often than not, the things this company says are nearly opposite of their actions.  Clearly, this would be a much better place to look for cover-ups.

Mar 9, 2007 12:38 PM Guest Erick  says:

You really should make this a series - there's that much information that could be covered. I've been using Linux on the server in commercial applications since 1996.  I've attempted to use it on the desktop repeatedly since then, but it always falls way short.  Consider wireless networking, X, odd devices.  I have a Dell Latitude D620.  It's almost a year old, but no distribution can get the widescreen display working out of the box.  I have to download 915resolution and set that to run in rc.local and do a bunch of tinkering in xorg.conf.  Are you kidding me??  And the wireless - yeah, right - 10 years ago I didn't mind compiling a bunch of code scattered on various sites to get something working.  Even then, I still can't get wireless working - what a joke!  And forget the limited number of other peripherals I have for this!  Linux on the desktop is a joke - and that's coming from an ardent Linux supporter and contributor to Linux and, more specifically, GNOME applications. Go for a series- you'll have plenty of material if you look around.

Mar 9, 2007 12:49 PM Guest Adrian  says:

First of all, I think a number of people can appreciate the riposte this presents to the linux fan boy.  Though I use and like linux, myself, I am not exactly a fan boy.  I really do think that for grandma, say, that just wants to check her email, windows has at least been better due to the fact that it presents a cheap easy alternative.  But, that is largely just because it is cheap -- not because it is good in some absolute sense -- and because it is easy which isn't because windows is intrinsicly easy but just because it is hard to beat pre-installed for ease.   What I take exception to in your entry is this idea that Linux is supposed to be a big communist fantasy or something.  It might be something like that for Stallman.  However linux and the broader open source movement runs off of something more like the capitalistic light house effect than some sort of organized communist movement.  You missed your very own first point that "Linux" as if it were one organization is a myth.  That is why linux will survive while everyone else will eventually die out -- because what "linux" really represents is simply "everything else".  Whatever you are, inasmuch as you exist in the first place, of course you will be corrupted become moribund or whatever.  It's going to happen to Microsoft, for instance, some day.  What the linux community really represents, though, is just a bunch of hackers growing up like weeds in the cracks of the sidewalk of coporate IT just out there doing what they do -- whatever they can get away with.  The reason it all seems to revolve around Linus Torvald's kernel is because that is a real easy to get and use thing to make a unix-like OS which is pretty well-known and hackable (because of its connection to academia no doubt).  There's plenty of other ones, though, that would take over if linux disappeared tomorrow like BSD or even minix3 or Stallman's Hurd or whatever -- and then we would be writing the very same posts about the minix community.  There will always be these hacker "weeds" growing in the microsoft-ibm-etc corporate garden. What the current linux "phenomenon" represents is just that what microsoft may have made billions at in the 80s is no longer even remotely as valuable today.  Basically, if you are at all technically inclined you should probably build your own computer and install some sort of linux on it.  If you are a real computer geek, you should install linux from scratch.  If you are like an english teacher, say, that doesn't think of themselves as very technical, you should install ubuntu or something.  (And, you should build your own computer, by the way -- it is about like putting up shelves in your garage in terms of complexity.)  Only if you are really adamant about minimizing your interaction with a computer should you pony up a little extra cash for a pre-fab real average system in which everything "just works" right out of the box.  (However, that may well describe a large sector of the market out there.) I think Bill Gates probably does deserve some big pay off for helping in a lot of ways to bring computing to the common man.  But, I think what linux represents is not some company coming to take microsoft over or even the communists triumphing over the evil capitalist monopoly (an oxymoron).  All linux is is the most popular operating system of increasingly many people that are realizing that they can do it better themselves in this day and age than extreme technical specialists can do doing it completely for them.  It is actually the market being successful -- you no longer have to pay a lot of money for an OS.  Did you think that programmers would be able to make a living off of doing this one thing for all eternity?  Just like books do eventually enter the public domain -- that IS the natural ultimate steady state outcome of ideas in a capitalist world, at any rate -- so too OSs are becoming just "common knowledge" -- certainly nothing to pay lots of money for (much to the chagrin of companies like microsoft whose main product is an OS).  The party will end one day.

Mar 9, 2007 12:57 PM Guest Lalo Martins  says:

(at the risk of being redundant with the previous poster...) Get real.  People don't attack you because there is a conspiracy or something, people attack you because you're an incompetent fool with no idea of what you're talking about, and anything you write is a waste of bytes unless it's a check.  Just confirming -- aren't you the guy NYT reporters are forbidden from quoting? 

Mar 9, 2007 1:12 PM Guest Fernando  says:

"According to The Register, there is actually some kind of a strike team ..."Huh?  You yourself wrote that article in The Register. Quoting yourself as an external authority does you no credit.

Mar 9, 2007 1:18 PM Guest chuck  says:

"Because it is community based it should be easier to come in as a trusted member of the community and penetrate security that way." This is pretty illogical considering that the source code is open to anyone who cares to look at it.   It's not like you have to join the development "community" to go over it with a fine-tooth comb and try to find flaws.  If anything, the open-source model is more secure for this very reason -- thousands of people are checking the source code every day and flaws are found and resolved quickly. It's interesting that this very site is using open source software.  This handy WYSIWYG is brought to you by tinyMCE, a cross-platform open-source module.

Mar 9, 2007 1:21 PM Guest Tom D  says:

Good stuff. I think that the GPL v3 is going to do more permanent harm to the "Linux Movement" than anything in recent history, as it causes internal strife.But Linux has helped to force Microsoft and Apple to be more on their "toes" as it were, and we've all benefited from that.

Mar 9, 2007 1:24 PM Guest Lalo Martins  says:

Uh ok, and now that I cooled down... and before I get flamed too... no, "linux" is not perfect, and there are plenty of bad things that should be said about it.  Only, they do get said, every day.  Some of them get fixed quickly, others linger on.  My point is not that "linux" has no flaws, only that you don't seem to have the most basic knowledge of what they are, or, for that matter, of how to write.

Mar 9, 2007 1:26 PM Guest fryke  says:

Wow. That's the lowest I've ever seen you move (quoting yourself like that). It's sad.

Mar 9, 2007 1:27 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

On the Linux Strike Team targeting me, The Register edited their side after I wrote my respone.   Here is a third party link look for the words "Cottage Industry".  http://p2pnet.net/story/10774 I fixed it in the body of the document, thanks for pointing this out.  On whether I'm banned by the NYT, the comment was actually caused by the "strike team" but I wasn't banned, that is actually misinformation.  This is the link (again):   http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990DE1DC1F3FF933A25752C1A9609C8B63

 

It is interesting to note that links to the form letter have vanished from the web including the letter itself.   Search on Google Enderle "Flack Letter", you'll see the link but all hard evidence has vanished.  Kind of looks like a cover up....  Another post idea....

 

The NYT reporter did call and apologize and they have quoted me since. 

 

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Mar 9, 2007 1:31 PM Guest Rob F  says:

What do you expect somebody that worked for Microsoft to say?Linux is his worst nightmare. If everybody switched to open source,his company would be obsolete.  

Mar 9, 2007 1:39 PM Guest Joe  says:

Apparently, Rob Enderle is either a troll or a shill.  The whole "us versus them" perspective of this post should make this apparent.  People who write from this perspective are often either trying to preach to the choir or attempt to annoy others with differing opinions. The idea that salaries are tied to the cost of software is childish.  Salaries are tied to the market.  Skillsets in demand make more money than skillsets not in demand.  This demand has nothing to do with the price of software, in fact, in IT the price of software is practically inconsequential as compared to the cost of human resources.  The question becomes, what software makes the employees more productive?  This isn't an obvious case of "easy to use" versus "free".  This is a case of administration, training, and uptime.  The hardware or software choice is relatively unimportant: employees will require training.  This training is not for using a Windows desktop versus a Linux desktop, but rather in the actual enterprise application.  The platform is inconsequential.

Mar 9, 2007 1:39 PM Guest Eric  says:

I find this whole article obsurd!

Mar 9, 2007 1:41 PM Guest Aster B. Oscar  says:

This article is a poor troll. You can tell because he can't provide real evidence; he uses small subproblems and generalizes via logical fallacies to the whole. I don't blame him, he's a tech writer.

Mar 9, 2007 1:44 PM Guest Paul M  says:

Rob, thank you for the article but on many fronts your statements are misleading at best, and in some cases directly untrue. Much of what you've stated were accurate, perhaps 5 years ago.

For several years now I've been almost entirely a linux user, and have only kept a windows computer available for people visiting my home who prefer it. FOr this reason I will answer this article as a linux home user, since that's the only experience I have with it.

I've found that the acquisition and installation of a wide range of software is significantly easier on linux these days than on windows or macosx. I use a piece of software called Yast to access over 10,000 (Probably much higher now) pieces of software and am capable of installing them with a few clicks and a password. These packages include things like games, server packages, office packages, and utilities. There is most certainly NOT a lack of software for linux that is more easily installed than on windows. This is not to say there isn't a software offering still that requires compiling at command line, often this is specialty software or alpha/beta releases. Concentrating your article on what amounts to, these days, a small percentage of the linux communitity's preferred installation type is misleading, very misleading.

 

As per your assertion that linux is a myth, this is very misguided as well. You've either not done your homework or, excuse me if this sounds insulting, are trying to find something negative to say about linux here. This portion of your article can only be described as FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) given it's severe technical innacuracy. Linux is the name of two things: A family of OS's (Suse, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Knoppix, etc)and the Kernel they're based on. When you hear someone saying 'Linux is more secure' They're talking about the linux Kernel which defines the linux family of OS's, when they're talking about 'windows is less secure' they're talking about the windows Kernel. If anything, this is a strength of the Linux family becouse it means that a single kernel can be modified and repackaged to serve many needs, Fedora and redhat as servers, ubuntu/kubuntu for desktops, etc. Any article worth it's merits that's comparing security is going to mention the two OS's it's comparing, whether that be windows and redhat, or redhat and suse, if it says windows and linux, then that right there should raise a red flag in your mind about it.

Now, about a few developing a product for many, this is silly, given a small core of developers often comprise they key community for a project, it's the same for proprietary software as well. I am a user, I have very little experience writing code and am utterly no use when it comes to contributing code, but I do know how to type stuff and save them on sourceforge. I feel that I contribute a valuable asset to the software I use by reporting to the developer community about the software, issues I have, and things I feel it could use. Often times with proprietary software this mode of being involved with your software doesn't exist for the average user.

The idea that linux doesn't have the ability to plug and play hardware is a farce. I plug my USB hard-drive in and it automatically detects, I pop a new PCI card in the socket and it either detects, or when I open that dialog in yast that deals with that hardware it automatically detects. The only time I have problems with autodetecting hardware is with proprietary hardware that has made it very difficult for interoperability to exist with it.

Finally, on the security front, your opinions about the linux community advocating linux as the killer OS are quite a bit out of date. You still find zealots just as you find windows zealots (If you doubt their existance then you apparently don't hop about IRC much) I truly secure and fault tolerant network is one comprised of multiple operating systems. This, Mr Enderle, is why I have a windows computer that is turned on pretty much only for security updates and guest users. While I've never had my linux box compromised that I know of, if that ever happens, I have the windows box as backup. On a home network, this is an overkill consideration, but on a corperate network, it's a serious one.

 

Now, Mr. Enderle, if you would, please research your subject more thoroughly, I'll give you some hints that are problems with linux: Gaming. This is the biggest problem linux has, a lack of truly excelent games. I have UT, Quake, DH:Lore, and things like that, but most games are still being written for linux. Perhaps if you were to highlight the lack of games for what is otherwise an excellent and muchly beloved group of OS's game makers will get off their laurels and market a few our way.

Mar 9, 2007 1:44 PM Guest Ted Logan  says:

Gah. It's like a parade of horribles, except instead of describing ungodly horrors, we get a load of stupid along with some blindingly bad grammatical errors.Why don't we talk about Apple vs. Linux?Oh, we do. Go read World Domination 201, or any other ESR (that's Eric S. Raymond, author of The Cathedral and the Bazaar,  considered to be a prominent figure in the open source world) paper on the topic. Apple is currently on track to win the lion's share of the 64-bit market as 64-bit processors become prevalent in the desktop market, simply because they are the best prepared for it. However, it is not certain whether or not they desire to expand their market share, and it is not certain whether or not they can do so without breaking their vertically integrated hardware selection.Does the Free Software Foundation own Linux? They appear to be trying to rename it.No, not quite. As you may (or more likely, may not) know, Linux distributions have many tools included in them. The core utilities are almost always provided by the GNU project, and there's usually some BSD utilities and tools written by the Red Hat/Fedora guys and the Debian guys. The GNU argument is that any distribution that uses the GNU tools to build, link, and execute programs, and uses the Linux kernel to run the system, should be referred to as a "GNU/Linux" platform. In fact, the Debian Project agrees with them, and their Linux-based distribution is called Debian GNU/Linux. (Of course, Debian supports other kernels, too -- they have a GNU/BSD and a GNU/Mach distro, too!)[Whose] side is Steve Ballmer or Richard Stallman on?Your grammar is killing me, man. Anyway:Steve Ballmer is on Microsoft's side. He steadfastly refuses to back down from any part of the market, and feels that Linux is a grave threat to Microsoft. I'm not sure where you find the ambiguity in this.Richard M. Stallman is on the FSF's side. He supports the GPL, patent reform, copyleft, and attribution of GNU software. He does not usually take sides in the arena you describe, but from his philosophy, it would be tough to see him siding with Microsoft or Apple.Also, on behalf of the guys over at LUE, we have a request:Lawl hey guyz plz stop trolling my intarwebs.Thank you. 

Mar 9, 2007 1:49 PM Guest L. Yax  says:

What a load!  For the ones talking about issue with mounting memory flash cards or connecting peripherals, etc.. you guys should get a current installation of Ubuntu, Suse, or any other package available ou there and try your flash cards or any other issues you had before and compare.  Yes, before and i would say about 2-3 years ago and I am probably wrong here those were issue.  Not anymore.  So if you tell me, you just installed the latest version of your favorite distribution an you are having those issues; i will believe you point of view.  Other wise it is just more hot air. About this article, just trying to create confusion and clowding the water.  If you are really an analyst be honest and fair. And in this article you are not.  Anyone can speak about anything in general terms and that is what you are doing.  I am going to bring age as a factore here because i think it is importan. once you learn one way, at this stage change or other options probably seem really hard for you to get.  That is the bottom line.Cheers. 

Mar 9, 2007 1:51 PM Guest pjf  says:

This has to be the most vapid column I have read in years. You could have said what you wanted in about five sentences. I suggest starting with, "I don't know what the hell I'm talking about but since I've got a column deadline to meet, here goes!". 

Mar 9, 2007 1:55 PM Guest Geekoid  says:

That article was horrible. "I started writing about Linux because I was told I couldn’t and the more people told me I couldn’t, and particularly when they said “or else,”" or else what? Is there is some mafiosa whacking people who write about Linux and it's short comings? Then you present there is some sort of cover up? The there is this gem:"If you are using Linux and haven’t done a physical security audit in a while and specifically looked at who is collaborating with whom, I would say it is likely well past time." really? wow, thianks for the insight, Rob. This goes for ANY security with ANY product. Linux is not somehow lacking in this respect.Some admins may be, but Linux is a kernel, not some sort of social engineering tool thaat magically makes people behave better with their security. OMG, I just relized something. Rob is the first Linux Conspiracy Whacko.   

Mar 9, 2007 1:55 PM Guest John  says:

You do realize that the Linux Kernel is under GPL v2...It dosn't nor will it EVER update to 3.0...Likewise all products currently under the GPL v2 will stay there, and if the developers decide to move to another liscense then the "pro-buisness" developers can just fork it... As for all the posts about USB drives not working and linux having bad driver support, obviously havn't used linux since 7.2..May I suggest Mandriva. its 3D desktop is better than OS X or Vista right now... Another uninformed journalist trying to get hits, move along, the sky isn't falling... I swear these IT sites just try to get hits so they can sell people's emails... Sigh,  

Mar 9, 2007 1:57 PM Guest Dan O  says:

Rob,  good article.  As an IT professional I consider software to be toolbox. I use the right tool for the right job. I own several Windows boxes, and several Apple systems as well.  I have used Red Hat, Ubuntu, and several other "flavors" of Linux/UNIX and found them to all function well. My personal pain and suffering has always been that until the 'free' community stops fighting and produces a single, compeling Linux load, it is useless.  I would love not to use Windows, but with each flavor (say Ubuntu) I get some really cool features, but then I am still at some point mounting volumes at the command prompt.  Windows rules the world because as much as it sucks, it is easy to use (sounds weird, but is true).  When Linux has a load that my 68 year old Mom can install and use, they will have finally hit the mark... Good luck!!

Mar 9, 2007 1:59 PM Guest Dylan Brams  says:

You're missing a few things and looking at them in an extremely skewed way. The reason Linux is so successful is because there is not anywhere near as much repeated work when working with open source code.  There's not a wall that says, "Beyond here, you're going to have to pay 150$+ an hour to talk to a real expert."  Basically this raises the competence bar for people who work with it.  If individuals are capable of digging to the root of a problem, they can.  And if one individual solves a problem, they are able to hand that problem back to the publisher of the source code.  I have found bugs in VBScript, problems in editors, and other things over the years; I had no incentive to submit or interest in pushing my code back up to Microsoft.  Not even the capability to create my own.  Since I was often using an older version of software which wasn't backwards-compatible anyways, (and, of course, a flagship product) I ended up just hacking up a workaround instead of finding an elegant solution to a deeper problem.  This is a fundamental community design flaw.  Now, for refuting your five major points:1. Linux is not a myth.  You just make it a myth and then attack the straw man of the myth.  If you really want to do a comparison, look at Red Hat, Ubuntu, Mandriva, or SuSE.  Weigh the benefits and drawbacks of each.  The problem is that you may not have the technical chops to do so - I know I don't.2. Linux is Insecure: You think Red Hat or Oracle doesn't do code audits before they apply the newest kernel patch?  No, actually they share the results of failed code audits within the kernel with the kernel developers.  This means more eyes per line of code.  By more people.  Microsoft can't say this, because they don't and cannot do it.  Linux as an amorphous cloud may LOOK like it has more room for holes, but it also has less overall exposure due to the cloud being quite dense (and not really much of a cloud at all, with the horde of developers at the center) when you get to the stuff in the middle.3. Linux is a Commune: Not, well....  Not really.  A commune is a decent comparison, but definitely a loaded one.  Using the categorical comment, "Communes don't work," is taking advantage of a bad comparison.  You're poisoning the well here.  Communes by default exist in microcosms.  Um...  IBM supports this particular 'commune,' as do a number of other extremely large companies.  All of the people in the 'commune' exist outside the 'commune' as well.  Linux is a community-built resource.  A much better analogy is public irrigation.  Everyone sees the benefit of irrigating the desert instead of buying all the water from some guy who built the dam.  Maybe you should switch metaphors.4.Is Linux for You?  Working for Developers IS working for You.  Decent developers do what you tell them to.  Good developers do what you tell them to more effectively than you could imagine.  Exceptional developers want to be made obsolete by their own code.  5. "Is Linux 'Open'" - This one you may actually be somewhere close to right on.  The thing is, well, Linux does attract a fringe element.  Any community contains good but possibly misguided people with energy to push in the wrong direction..

Mar 9, 2007 2:01 PM Guest Jim March  says:

I have a different take, dealing with a whole 'nuther user base. I'm a political activist with a strong geek background.  I work with a lot of other activists who range between "computer competent" and "technoturnip" - the latter often being older, retirees or close to it. Windows has left these users behind.  They're getting hammered with malware of every description.  Their needs are fairly basic BUT they need those basic tools and yes, right now Linux on their desktops is feasible and would be a Godsend.The only issue left is lack of a personal finance manager such as Quicken.  By this time of life these folks have fingers in a lot of financial pies and use such almost universally.  I've found one possible candidate in "Moneydance 2007", a Java critter that works on...well, everything - Mac, Win, Linux, even really weird stuff.As to a distro, I will readily grant that they're barely ready.  In testing a bunch for stability, usability and auto-updates that don't do stupid things, Zenwalk so far is the best I've seen compared to both current Ubuntus, Fedora Core 6, OpenSuse 10.2 and Mandriva Free '07.  Linspire is also a possibility I'm looking into, and I'll be re-evaluating Ubuntu 7.04 to see if the 6.10 stability issues are resolved.So far, nobody is even thinking about this market.  Microsoft needs to solve the crushing problems they've created and so far I see no indication that Vista is such a savior.  Remember: Windows behind a professional corporate hardware firewall is an ENTIRELY different experience than Windows plugged into a cable modem in granny's bedroom.  The latter is such an unmitigated freakshow that Linux positively shines.  Jim March

Mar 9, 2007 2:01 PM Guest David  says:

From a slightly farther away point of view, this article seems to be a single cannon shot in a religious fight between an IT analyst and parts of the Linux/FOSS community.I, not being particular interested this kind of soap opera, can not take any useful Information with me. Maybe adding some facts or real topics that are talked about in depth would raise the information factor.  Sorry about my English. I hope you get the message.

Mar 9, 2007 2:03 PM Guest David F. SKoll  says:

My gosh, is Enderle still bleating?  You'd think his employers would realize that no-one cares about what he writes, and would stop paying him to shill against open-source. 

Mar 9, 2007 2:04 PM Guest Stratus  says:

This is the worst writeup I've ever read!The author has written nothing at all about the subject he chose?!?This seems like 2 padded paragraphs padded to 7?!?I stopped reading actually when the author started writing onLinux security, and I just could not find his argument. Once I scanned the entire article I could not find ANY reasonablearguments.I am NOT a GNU/Linux fanboy, but I will play one in light of other operating systems usability. I just want to say as someonewith an open mind when it comes to technology (which is why I know about GNU/Linux), I'm not open to reading anymore articles like this with no information involved like this!   

Mar 9, 2007 2:06 PM Guest wwt  says:

Linux will win by virtue of demographics unless, and this is big unless, GPL 3.0 kills off the ability of any business to use the software. Linux will be the dominant OS in the developing world. Windows will come in third in the G8 industrial nations, and Apple will limit itself to the Jet Set in the US and a few EU countries.But if business decline to use Linux/OSS due to GPL 3, then there is zero incentive for students to learn and use the OS.   

Mar 9, 2007 2:07 PM Guest Elliot nesterman  says:

Do communes work? The history of kibbutzim shows that they certainly can.Is Linux ready for the desktop? Depends on whose desk. At my office I work on a couple of XP machines. At home I run Ubuntu, and my DVR is built on Linux. 

Mar 9, 2007 2:11 PM Guest Shan  says:

The old joke:Q: What's the difference between IT writers and car journalists?A: Car journalists, on the whole, can at least drive.In his first "point" Enderle says Linux isn't a thing -- a non-thing he's evidently totally unfamiliar with, from his incorrect statements about it -- and then proceeds to criticize it in the next four points as if it is a thing.Move along. Nothing to see here. 

Mar 9, 2007 2:13 PM Guest Bob Robertson  says:

I'm impressed. I've seen Enderle write articles which were biased, obviously paid-for, even silly. But this one is just plain fraud.

 

Anyone who knows anything about real security knows that without the ability to audit, you cannot know your vulnerabilities. Proprietary software is by its very nature insecure because it cannot be audited.

 

It is proprietary software that can contain stolen code with impunity because, again, it cannot be audited.

 

If you don't know this, don't talk about security. It only shows your ignorance.

 

The FSF is trying to "rename" Linux? By referring to a distribution that uses the GNU userland tools GNU/Linux? That is laughable.

 

In fact, every one of your 5 points that "can't be talked about" are discussed every day in every forum for every project. Or hadn't you noticed that "Linux" is just one project, that every other application is its own project, that each distribution is its own project? The ONLY reason this many people can work on this many projects at the same time and have them work together flawlessly, is the very OPENNESS you claim doesn't exist.

Mar 9, 2007 2:13 PM Guest len  says:

What is your problem? People are giving away something you don't even have the expertise to contribute to, and you belittle their achievement because you get angry emails?You're not an analyst, you're not a journalist, you don't even qualify as a critic. You're a troll. You do this to manufacture controversy, piss people off, increase your name recognition and make money on ad impressions. Can you blame people for attacking you personally?The people working on Linux are the equal of those working at Microsoft, or Apple, or Sun, or what have you. It may not be so polished as a commercial product, the process may be a little chaotic, and despite the tremendous gains it has made to be more user friendly, it isn't for everyone. But it has a role in our economy and it performs it wonderfully.Maybe the kind of people who hire the "EnderleGroup" don't care about a solution that can be adapted to their own needs, and maybe you resent that the people who do use Linux have little need for your kind of services. As a Windows developer they don't need mine, either, but I still sleep better knowing that Linux exists. I'm glad there is an entire software ecosystem unbeholden to any one company or single agenda.

Mar 9, 2007 2:20 PM Guest John Handy  says:

Worst article ever.  You don't have to read for long before coming to the conclusion that the Author is a Linux novice at best.  Next week he should write an article about molecular biology.

Mar 9, 2007 2:22 PM Guest Daniel Romero  says:

quote comment="26"What a breath of fresh air, I like Windows at the moment, granted it has its bugs but it works. It's easy to use and does most of the grunt work for me. When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something.When Linux does that I'll consider changing. [/quote]From what century are you from? Where have you been living these last 5 or 6 years? Today it's easier to use a USB stick with Linux than with Windows XP. and installing programs is muche easier than with Windows. Not to say it's simpler to burn CDs, detect printers and the like.  Take for instance, the installation of XP Pro, service pack 2 on a new DELL computer. After suffering trying to install XP, you'll have to manage to download and install all different kind of device drivers from DELL's website, just to make XP usable. If you try to install SuSE, RedHat or any other brand of Linux, you won't have any problems at all! In half an hour you can have a full system installed and working (and I mean not only the operating system, but all the applications you like). I frequently install XP and Linux in new computers, and can assure you that it's no longer a problem to install Linux... the problem today is installing Windows XP. Not to mention the bugs, virus and all kind of malware that affect Microsoft Operating Systems...    

Mar 9, 2007 2:24 PM Guest Tim Janke  says:

Generally an interesting and provocative article.  However, I find your comment about Groklaw, and especially PJ, beyond the pale.  You cast snide apserions on this woman, suggesting she is engaged in something nefarious, without a shred of evidence - shame on you!  This base and contemptible tactic is the same that Karl Rove and others of his ilk use to try to bring down political rivals.  You should know better.  If you're going to publicly intimate that someone has something to hide, you should have at least some factual basis for saying it.  And you clearly don't.

Mar 9, 2007 2:25 PM Guest JHoli  says:

Five things we aren't allowed to discuss,yet here we are discussing them.  The author is clearly an idiot. 

Mar 9, 2007 2:27 PM Guest Andrew Fenn  says:

quote comment="75" I have a Dell Latitude D620.  It's almost a year old, but no distribution can get the widescreen display working out of the box.[/quote] Your laptop works on Ubuntu with wireless. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/DellLatitudeD620You might want to download DapperDrake (version 6.06).Also linux isn't an operating system, its PART of an OS. Ubuntu is a very popular and I have been using it for 6 months with no previous experience.

Mar 9, 2007 2:31 PM Guest consumer  says:

It is just so,that we need healthy markets for IT  and that is reason to force somehow some option for consumers. Even if it means some negative impact in short term, in long term it will maintain evolution. Healthy competition is the only way for peaces to survive. 

Mar 9, 2007 2:32 PM Guest david  says:

It's easy to spin choice as a scary, disorienting thing.   With Windows, you get a company, one of a small range of OS kernels, and one of a small range of application platforms.  No mystery, no ambiguity, but no flexibility, either.Linux gives you flexibility.  If you're a hard-core technology company, you can customize the kernel and roll your own distribution.  If you just want a supported workstation product, then you can buy a product from Red Hat or Novell.  Most people choose one of the many choices between those extremes. Does this mean that the word "Linux" contains more possibilities -- more ambiguity -- than "Windows?"  Yes.  Does it mean that Linux security is more complicated, more prone to error than Windows security?  No.  You can easily create a security management nightmare by including a hodgepodge of Linux distributions and configurations, but you can do the same thing with Windows applications.  A security sysadmin has to narrow his scope to something manageable and understandable. That is no harder on Linux than on Windows.  In fact, because Linux gives you more choices and more control, you have more freedom to create simple, well-understood systems.Also, a word to the wise:  If you have to preface something with (my paraphrase), "This wouldn't be worth saying except that some incredibly stupid people believe otherwise," then it usually isn't worth saying at all, no matter what people think.   It looks like that will save you a lot of typing.   

Mar 9, 2007 2:32 PM Guest stu  says:

All other comments aside, you really need to start proofreading your text before you post it for the whole world to see. How can you expect anyone to take your opinion seriously after you post an article that couldn't make it past a 9th Grade English teacher? Other than that, I really can't comment on the content. About halfway through, it just became too difficult for me to make rational sense out of it all, and I got better information from reading the comments left by others. I like to feel enlightened after reading something like this, not increasingly obfuscated by it's lack of structure and convoluted content. Frankly, I'd expect something a little more professionally written from from someone of your reputed caliber.Not trying to be harsh here, just my humble opinion. 

Mar 9, 2007 2:34 PM Guest Daniel Romero  says:

Have been using Linux for the last 8 years, and never expirienced the kinds of problems I expirience every time I use Windows (whatever flavour). Try Madriva, SuSE or RedHat, nothing is easier to install in new equipments: detects and correctly installs every device, no problem at all with plug'n play, memory sticks, cámeras, usb printers, you name it... it simply works... deny this, if you can, come around and I'll be glad to show you... last system I installed: detected Lexmak printer E330 during system installation (XP isn0t able to detect it... sorry... use CD... slow... didn't install properly... ugh!), and works flawlessly, I periodically download my photographs from my Sony W50, no problem at all (windows XP doesn't know where to start looking... ugh! ah! yes! of course, I should use Sony's software... another CD... thank God XP is plug and play!).  

Mar 9, 2007 2:35 PM Guest david  says:

By the way, what's with this lame comment box?  There's no preview, and the toolbar at the bottom (not to mention the lack of responsiveness) misled me into believing it would respect my paragraph breaks, which it didn't.

Mar 9, 2007 2:36 PM Guest Hoary  says:

 " One:  Is Linux a Myth?" Yes, if you count a fully working operating system on my PC that does most of what I need to do. "Two:  Is Linux Secure?" Maybe as secure as any OS can be and maybe more. But ssshhh, you're not allowed to talk about it. "Three:  Do Communes Work? I don't know, Who cares. Linux is an OS. What does it have to do with communes ? Ohh, you're talking about development. Is the Linux development team structure much different from a normal one ? Yes, if you count open discourse and the possibility for people to hold differing opinions. "Four:  Is Linux Pro-Developer, or Pro-You?" Umm, if I'm a developer and it's Pro-Me, then it's also Pro-Developer.  Are these two positions mutually exclusive ?   "Is Linux is “Open”?"Umm, my gray matter based parser is having a problem interpreting this interrogatory. If you mean "Is GNU/Linux released under an Open Source Licence ?" then yes. (And I say GNU/Linux as that is it's proper name. And no the FSF doesn't "own"Linux. That question probably shows that you don't fully understand about the GPL model.)  So who told you you weren't allowed to talk about these thing ? Strange.You had to quit your job to be able to say something about Linux ? That's quite a daming indictment. Is is true ? Or is it your excuse for "not getting it" or performing badly ?  Is the negativity you attract more to do with you and what you say rather than being a "Linux" problem ? Zealots are eveywhere. On all sides. With varying beliefs. Why is Linux so special that it deserves so much attention ?And anyway, Linux doesn't have a monopoly on open source. There's plenty of open source software being made for Windoze based machines. And Mac's.And why is it such a big thing this "Is Linux ready for the desktop?". Linux has been sucessful enough doing what it does and it will probably coninue to do so. The amount of investment it has attracted is a testamount to that. If some English teacher thinks Windoze is plain sailing, then there's nothing stoping them using it. Or does this mysterious "OSS strike force" strike people down in the streets ? Hey watch out, the Linux Flying GNinja's will get you ! “Question Authority.”Yes, indeed. Who are you ? What cares what you think ?

Mar 9, 2007 2:38 PM Guest Daniel Romero  says:

Linux isn't 100% secure... yes, we agree on that, but in my expirience it has proved to be MUCH more secure than Windows. At least it is auditable, Windows isn't (or maybe you are allowed to go through Windows source code?  

Mar 9, 2007 2:41 PM Guest Spastica Rex  says:

Opinions are like assholes; everyone has one. Thanks for sharing yours.

Mar 9, 2007 2:42 PM Guest Eric Brown  says:

I'm not sure where this individual came from, and if they really understand Linux with all its distributions, and what incredibly screwy criteria they're using to define what makes a "good" operating system.First, Linux is an operating system all by itself.  Saying that you have to choose one distribution to work with is like saying you can only use Windows XP with certain patches, and a certian set of software.  A distribution is the LINUX operating system with particular sets of software packeged into it. Next, I find it a little silly to say an operating system is insecure because anyone can steal hardware.  You are not looking at hardware when you're compairing operating systems.  From the security classes I've been in, software or operating systems are cosidered more secure if it is less likely someone will have unauthorized access to the operating sytem and files in it.  Historically, Windows has not done a good job of this.  The author is correct in saying that any operating system is less secure when people are involved. Next, the only reason that the author is aware of the contention in groups that are deciding GPL is because it is an open and transparent process.  Only occasionally are we allowed a glimpse of the thought process of companies like Microsoft or Apple.  I read this week where Microsoft thought Java was worthless, but they wanted to steal anything from it they thought might be of value in the future.  We are not privy to the emails of a Windows programmer who may thing Microsoft's licensing system is a total rip-off.  I'm not saying commercial companies are wrong for keeping their secrets, but I'm pointing out that transparency is simple one aspect of open source, and not a fault. Almost there.  Saying a programmer isn't valuable if they're not using expensive tools is simply outrageous.  Weather you have a 73 Ford Maverick or the latest and greatest Nascar vehicle, it's all worthless if you don't know how to drive.  A programmer is as good as their skills.  I've seen people who suck equally in Visual Basic, Java, Perl, and several other languages.  That's because they're a bad programmer. Finally, I'd like to point out that "I like Linux" or "I like Windows" is an opinion.  You are welcome to yours.  Personally, I do not like the cost of Windows, and that's about my biggest beef with the operating system.  If you really want to be attacked, say something negative about Macs.  They're far more irrational than open source people. or this article.

Mar 9, 2007 2:43 PM Guest Markus Bad  says:

Man, reading that article hurt. Folks, save yourself the time and don't bother with this guys uninformed tripe, unless you want to do an analysis on Microsoft's latest FUD efforts. With great effort I can almost believe he has seen a GNU/Linux system in operation ... once ... a really long time ago.

 

Wow.

Mar 9, 2007 2:44 PM Guest ron  says:

Hmmm. Not to start a flame war but.... Since you are a self proclaimed expert on comparing computer program/os's... You start off by saying they cannot be compared then you compare them???  Oh well back to the matter at hand:Is Linux a Myth? Never heard this one before... not to sure what to say here, I suppose from the other side(windows) one would build up an image or idea based on rumors and other stories passed around the campfire, then again this would be true for windows form a linux users point of view ie. hearing stories about how seamless the networking works with no configuring and how games almost install and play themselves also how you can just plug a multifunction device in and it automatically just works! (well I can personally blow this myth out of the water) Is Linux Secure? Again my opinion is certanly... why you ask, just like you I have formed an opinion based on personal use and also observing others in their triumphs and failures. Personally I use a mix of hardware and software at home I have win98 linux mandrake 9 linux slack 10 at work I have a few win98 win nt4 win xp mac osx and linux mandrake 10. The windows machine are pretty much single purpose machines one is for quickbooks another for an old dos AR program and so on the linux machines do just about anything we want on them unless the programs only come in windows flavors and last but not least the mac we use it for email,word processor and some publishing.    Do Communes Work? Interesting interrogative... well they must work for bill gates, ever been to redmond now that is one big commune he has there, although they must not communicate to good in the redmond commune because there sure are a lot of inconsistenciesthat crop up in the end result! (cheap shot).And I have also seen how the linux side communes and this approach would appear to win hands down over the windows side there again just my opinion. Is Linux Pro-Developer or Pro-You? My personal opinion is BOTH although I have not done muck developing in the last few years I have seen friends do what I would deem as very heavy developing on linux. On the Pro-You side I currently use (for business an older version of mandrake linux and I have to say it does everything I could ever need to do from building documents to websurfing without wasting my time. Is Linux "OPEN"? I have always heard :the code is open" and this very true with the exception of some companies trying to put non-linux closed code programs into the mix. If you want to murk up the waters with abstract ideas about linux not being ...well linux while instead being some strange mythical mindset of some tyrannical elite superintelligent beings and not actual software we are talking about then maybe your writings actually have some musing merit? OK back tothe flames! Oh and I have 'wondered' over to groklaw just to check out some current MS events and found it very useful but then I don't have the same disdain as you seem to towards the camp. 

Mar 9, 2007 2:45 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

[quote comment="107"]Generally an interesting and provocative article.  However, I find your comment about Groklaw, and especially PJ, beyond the pale.  You cast snide apserions on this woman, suggesting she is engaged in something nefarious, without a shred of evidence - shame on you!  This base and contemptible tactic is the same that Karl Rove and others of his ilk use to try to bring down political rivals.  You should know better.  If you're going to publicly intimate that someone has something to hide, you should have at least some factual basis for saying it.  And you clearly don't.[/quote]

 

What bothers me about the whole PJ thing is that she represents herself as a legal expert but then prevents legal process. 

 

If there is nothing to be concerned about why not allow the deposition.   She could actually just lie even if there was.  It implies she is hiding something, given the position of Groklaw as a legal focused site, think vetting this using a legal process is appropriate. 

 

The fact she felt she needed to conceal her identity in the first place, particulalry given the recent Wikipedia scandle, should have more folks asking this of more people.   A lot of folks, apparently, regularly lie about their background and qualifications as well as their connections. 

 

So for an Open Source Legal site not to be "Open" with regard to any of this seems to be, well, unusual don' t you think?  I'm simply suggesting that if there is nothing to hide, why is she hiding?   Given the site's visibility the "I'm shy" thing seems a little strange. 

 

Realistically, after the Wikipedia thing, don't you think we all should be asking more questions?

Mar 9, 2007 2:47 PM Guest dennis parrott  says:

quote comment="26"What a breath of fresh air, I like Windows at the moment, granted it has its bugs but it works. It's easy to use and does most of the grunt work for me. When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something.When Linux does that I'll consider changing. [/quote]1. There is NO such thing as an "easy to use" OS when it gets broken in some way. They all have issues when it comes to putting things back together after some failure or faux pas. 2.  Don't get me started about Windows and USB drives! As you seem to feel that it is successful, I have hard experience where XP just doesn't handle plugging in LOTS of USB hard drives. You get the familiar "doink" noise and then you can't find the drive... All OSes have issues...3. I have actually had success plugging USB peripherals into Linux. Ubuntu Linux seems exceptionally good at this sort of thing. Not all Linux distros work as well and YMMV.4. Installing Ubuntu is way easier than installing Windows (pick your version 98/2K/XP) and there aren't 2GB of patches to download either!5. Installing new programs on Linux (well, Ubuntu Linux) will get easier when the Linspire Click'n'Run (CNR) service get ported over (at least in my opinion). If you haven't tried the Ubuntu package manager software (which uses a graphical interface) I'd agree -- most people do not like to rebuild software or do command line voodoo to get something to run. 6. Ubuntu Linux is pretty close to passing my "Mom Test" which is simply put "can my 70 year old Mom use it to do what she uses her computer to do with a minimum of BS?". Right out of the box is does most of it; web browsing, connects to a network easily, word processing, email, a few games (like Solitaire or maybe Bejewelled)7. Linux is ALL ABOUT the distro you pick. The fact is that some implementations are just better, more stable, more adapted to what you might be doing than some others.  The sad fact of life is that computers and the OS that runs on them is pretty complex electronic hardware and even more complex software. People act like they should be Zero Effort to use, maintain, update, that they should be Flawless and continue working NO MATTER WHAT the user or environment does to it. It is damned difficult if not completely impossible to make complex stuff like that work under those conditions.I don't think that Windows is all that and a bag a chips. I don't think that Linux "rulez" or that Mac OS X is the final word. You can deploy these and get them to work and you will see them all fail in some way sooner or later. 

Mar 9, 2007 2:48 PM Guest cloaked name  says:

Very cute ... Mr. Enderle, I'd tell you how stupid your article was, wait I just did.Of the arguments you've mentioned, the only one that might be mildly amusing is, "Is Linux a Myth".See http://www.kernel.org/ (specifically the section of the page that has the words, "What is Linux") ... I'm pretty sure it's a UNIX-like kernel, but that's just me. Like it or not , the same argument might be used against Windows.Out of the box, Windows doesn't come with much for the end-user, so what is Windows w/o Office or Visual Studio or  whatever software you might like? On the other hand, my Linux CDs / DVD(s) are likely to include ... office productivity tools, compilers and interpreters for an abundance of languages (amongst other programming tools), web browsers, network analysis tools, and (all important) games and puzzles . There's my top 5 since you like lists, maybe stick to listing what you get when you choose a Linux (there I said it) distro.Maybe ads should read, "Linux-based" solution ... but it sounds like Linux, smells like Linux ... darn it must be Linux If I want Linux, the choice of distro can be darn near academic, so why not just say that I'm using Linux? When it comes down to it, we choose operating systems based on our familarity with the OS. In most cases, "better" is what, "I" as the user / administrator feels is better.Anyhow, since you've been deceived into believing that you're being daring using old arguments to argue your case, dream on.Oh, and in the spirit of all that you've said I've decided not to use my real name.

Mar 9, 2007 2:48 PM Guest vexorian  says:

For crying out loud. Before we go into the whole "I am a martyr in a war against linux" nature of this article, let me put it this way:

 

- Linux has plug and play! I can't really understand all those posts about "When linux can use my USB disk or blah blah blah" I tried a lot of funny things like flash disks, a sony mp3 player and a second gen ipod nano in Kubuntu and they work. So please, IF you are not informed, don't comment. Is it so hard?

 

- Windows is NOT easy to use. I know this because I have tried to teach windows to a lot of people who were starting computers.  In fact, most people I know don't really know how to use windows, if anything they just randomly click stuff. You'd be surprised by the number of people I've met who do not understand what copying and pasting is.

 

I do not really think this article deserves much credit. I've seen actual criticism to linux that is really good but this one... It is so bad that it hurts. Car references? Since when the car bussiness model is any how related to software? "Is Linux a myth?" Please be serious!

 

"Is Linux is Open?" My english is terrible and that's one of the reasons I don't make friging articles in english please follow my advice...

Mar 9, 2007 2:50 PM Guest pbardet  says:

quote comment="109"Five things we aren't allowed to discuss,yet here we are discussing them.  The author is clearly an idiot. [/quote]Exactly what he's referring to. You don't like his point of view, he's an idiot.Try to discuss this topic on other forums, and you'll quickly get banned or saturated with hatred messages. Try LWN.net for example...I completely agree with Rob. I use Linux for a living, as well as at home, but I think the Linux process needs more criticism and be able to accept it instead of reacting violently to it.When I hear people saying that Linux is better for drivers than Vista, my answer is wait until they add the GPL flag into the kernel that will prevent you to use a closed-source driver. The only fact that some people can think about this makes me think Linux is not as open as it claims.

Mar 9, 2007 2:51 PM Guest Teunis  says:

After reviewing and editing - and realizing that others have covered the salient points I wanted to on other notes, I'll just come down to this: re: point 4:  Since when does how much someone is paid have anything to do with how well they perform?   There are other more reliable measures of success. I mean - in theory for instance - a day care attendant is responsible for someone who is more valuable to you than any physical propery - yet is paid at or below the poverty line.  (I'm writing from a place where day care workers have strict education, testing and other requirements).beyond that, as always be careful of licenses.   Microsoft developer licensing is restrictive to developers who wish to pool resources.   GPL is restrictive to those who don't.   GPL on the other hand doesn't restrict use of software - just it's development.   Microsoft's restrict usage.    It's always worth reading the fine print. I've been a programmer for more than 15 years now.   Generally I prefer linux due to it having a reliable API with clear documentation.   I'll occasionally program for windows - but it's the most expensive platform to develop on, both in terms of financial and time investment.   Apple is one of the nicest environments I've ever worked with - it's just a little weak at handling server processes. For clients I try and recommend the platform that will suit their needs the most.   I'm open to any solution that will work.

Mar 9, 2007 2:54 PM Guest Neal  says:

quote comment=&quot;26&quot;When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something.When Linux does that I'll consider changing. [/quote]                                            <!--           @page           P { margin-bottom: 0.08in }      -->        Oh double click, sorry I thought you were talking about Linspire Desktop Linux, but that&#39;s just a single click in the Click N Run Warehouse of software for an easy install. By the way you can single click several software titles to install and then resume witting that Open Office document while they all install in the background without worry about crashing or getting a bad Ol blue screen.   But, if you need a double click to install Windows is still your best bet. As for detecting a  USB sticks and drives Linspire has no problem with that. With the addition of WINE or Crossover Office you can also run Photshop or maybe it&#39;s Quick Books you will be working in while all of the apps you are installing run in the background. I can see that the author is not familiar with Linspire either or he may need to do a bit of a re-write on this one. Linspire has a great business model that allows me to profit from their builder program with few restrictions or controls on how I run my business. Oh, by the way should you take advantage of the multi-PC license of Linspire you can setup a new PC with Linspire in about 15-20 minutes (tops) and login to the CNR to install from a list of software you have already installed, click the ones you want on that PC and start customizing the settings while they all install in the background. Or, perhaps you want to watch a DVD while the programs install in the background.   Fix a windows PC so it will boot again, yes I used Linspire to help a few less fortunate Windows users recover from Wintastrfies, salvaging their data before they have to re-format and re-install Win. You can get more info at: http://linspire.com 

Mar 9, 2007 2:54 PM Guest meneame.net  says:

5 cosas que no puedes discutir acerca de Linux

 

INGLESRob Enderle, publica en su blog 5 cosas que no se pueden discutir acerca de Linux. Copia en español alt1040.com/archivo/2007/03/09/5-cosas-que-no-se-pueden-discutir-de-li/

Mar 9, 2007 2:57 PM Guest marion  says:

quote comment=&quot;26&quot;What a breath of fresh air, I like Windows at the moment, granted it has its bugs but it works. It&#39;s easy to use and does most of the grunt work for me. When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something.When Linux does that I'll consider changing. [/quote]  ya, most linux flavors can do this now.  rhel/FC/suse all have graphical installers now and can all detect usb devices and automount most of them.   even more impressively you dont have to &quot;reboot&quot; the machine ever, but just restart the services youve updated.  i know this is a foreign concept to most of the windows world, but computers shouldnt need rebooted once a month let alone once a day, to run properly and be updated.WOW! 

Mar 9, 2007 3:00 PM Guest nana  says:

Hey if you liked this article you will love these: http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/category/education/technical/linux/

Mar 9, 2007 3:01 PM Guest brianD  says:

quote comment=&quot;72&quot;Thanks for the thoughts.  My point on security is that Linux has different attack vectors that likely will be more successful with it.   Because it is community based it should be easier to come in as a trusted member of the community and penetrate security that way.  We’ve known for some time that most crooks still use tried and true methods to penetrate security and physical penetration is likely comparatively easy given the trusting nature of the community and a lack of focus on identity.�[/quote]While this will undoubtedly happen sooner or later. You&#39;re missing a few things. But that is probably due to your ignorance of criminals, communal life, and open source.First, there are lots of criminals that did just fine in school, and have gone on to be very rich and successful crooks (some operating marginally within the law but outside accepted morality).Second, due to the communal nature of Linux any bad guy will eventually get discovered. The simple fact is some communes are successful. In fact not more than 300 miles from me (KC, MO) is a successful commune that has been in continuous operation since the 1960s. When the bad guy does get  discovered, which will be probably the same day he unleashes some very nasty code, he/she will be removed from the Linux community and all his/her code will be analyzed or removed.Lastly, since the code is opensource, it can be cleaned up, and useful functions can be salvaged.Talking about myths, the &quot;Linux is not ready for the desktop&quot; myth is quite hilarious. Considering I use it to run my business, and so do a lot of other people. Granted, there are things that could use improving. The same could be said for any OS or program. My biggest complaint about Linuxis there is just too much desktop readiness to choose from. But, I don&#39;t know why, I&#39;m wasting my time writing you about this. You obviously can&#39;t look at Linux or Windows with and objective mind, although maybe you are trying. However, I doubt that, based on your history of attacking those with different points of view.

Mar 9, 2007 3:09 PM Guest Adrian  says:

quote comment=&quot;126&quot;I can&#39;t really understand all those posts about &quot;When linux can use my USB disk or blah blah blah&quot; I tried a lot of funny things like flash disks, a sony mp3 player and a second gen ipod nano in Kubuntu and they work. So please, IF you are not informed, don&#39;t comment. Is it so hard?[/quote]I really think a lot of people that think that windows is so easy are truly operating off of an impression based more on the fact that it usually comes preinstalled than because they have really tried installing it along side a linux distro.  Linux is fighting with one hand tied behind its back by virtue of the fact that the hardware manufacturers tend not to make linux drivers, work with linux distros to make sure they run in them and prepackage linux into their PCs and so on.  The reason microsoft is so easy is purely because someone has already done it for you -- the guy that made your off the shelf PC.  When you start routinely building your own PCs and are just sitting there with a windows CD or a linux distro of some sort, the supposedly notoriously difficult distros to install such as Debian and Slackware are nothing of the sort!   &quot;Grocery stores are so high tech and complicated!  Why can&#39;t my groceries just come preinstalled in my grocery cart?  I actually have to select them from the shelf??  God GOD!  Only a technowizard could possibly pull off such a thing!&quot;

Mar 9, 2007 3:11 PM Guest Dillon Pyron  says:

 Rob, what&#39;s your vested interest in Microsoft?  Haven&#39;t you pumped Microsoft in the past? As far as PnP goes, yes, I stuck my USB stick into my SLES 10 box and had it pop right up.  I double clicked on the file and it ran. When it comes to security, all I can say is why did it take Microsoft so long to come out with user mode protection?  A very poorly implemented version.  And Windows NT was built by the same guy who built VMS.  Speaking of secure operating systems.   And those crooks sneaking in &quot;bad&quot; code?  A patch for it can come out in, worst case, a couple of days.  Microsoft only publishes patches once a month, and zero day attacks seem to always come out the Wednesday after the patch kit. 

Mar 9, 2007 3:11 PM Guest bill  says:

quote comment=&quot;80&quot;Good stuff. I think that the GPL v3 is going to do more permanent harm to the &quot;Linux Movement&quot; than anything in recent history, as it causes internal strife.But Linux has helped to force Microsoft and Apple to be more on their &quot;toes&quot; as it were, and we&#39;ve all benefited from that.[/quote]GPLv3 is needed to combat people like TIVO.  If you don&#39;t want to monkey around with the rules and you plan on playing nice with others then  GPLv3 is no different than GPLv2.Don&#39;t listen to Linus.  he is a good coder but kind of a loon otherwise.

Mar 9, 2007 3:18 PM Guest Mr. Mischief  says:

1. We don&#39;t need to talk about a Linux company to compare it to Microsoft. We&#39;re not comparing a company to a company. We&#39;re comparing the products of many companies and individuals and the advantages and disadvantages of that vs. Microsoft&#39;s products. Many users of Linux don&#39;t depend fully on one company for updates, fixes, and support. So to say basically that because Microsoft ties us to one source for these things that means that we must fall into the same trap for other operating systems is narrow-minded at best.2. Any reasonable IT person will tell you that security is a process and not a product. Having a more secure base to start with is part of that process. Having code review is often part of that process. Running programs that aren&#39;t meant to make system-wide changes as users not authorized to make system-wide changes is part of the process. Most Linux distributions do a better job of supporting these processes, and since it&#39;s open and editable, can be made moreso by many parties.3. The FSF is not a hippy nudist farm commune, and the GPL is not a &quot;do your fair share&quot; agreement. The GPL allows people who have a purpose of their own to take a working system and do just the work they need done to support a change to do so instea dof writing a whole system from scratch and duplicating that parts that already work the way they need. Meeting your own needs and giving a little back for others having given you that opportunity is not communism. It&#39;s smart in a capitalist marketplace to take the lowest-cost route to your goal. Companies buy pre-existing parts to make their products all the time. Disney takes fairy tales with no copyrights, then copyrights the new work based on it, then lobbies to get those copyrights extended. Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds may have their differences, but they both want you to be able to use their work to do your work. They&#39;re not askign for the keys to your car. They just want you to treat their work a certain way if you choose to use it. They don&#39;t even care if you don&#39;t give out changes you make. They just want to make sure you give out the sources of any binaries you make from their hard work.4. Employees are not valued on the price of what they work on. They are valued on the amount of money they make the company and the rarity of their skills. The only reason a Ferrari mechanic makes more than a Chevy mechanic is that fewer people know how to work on Ferraris and that the shop owners are able to charge more because the end customer can find fewer competitors since fewer shops work on Ferraris. The goal of the Linux community is not to drive up costs at an employer. It is to do the exact opposite. It&#39;s a freely available system which is meant to lower barriers, not raise them. The fact that it does the job of commercial Unix so well for so much less and has built so large a base of trained and experienced administrators and developers that the labor rates have dropped is a positive thing. It means Linux actually has a lower TCO, which is a good thing in a capitalist society. It&#39;s a point Microsoft tries to claim. Doing more business with fewer employees who need training that is easier to get is a goal of all good capitalist companies.5. Linux is open entirely. The minds of some of its proponents are not. Please do not confuse the issue. Blind IT advocacy is bad, but some IT advocacy done with care is a wonderful thing. If Windows doesn&#39;t serve a department&#39;s needs, the IT department needs to make that clear to the people writing the check. If Linux doesn&#39;t meet the needs of a particular project, IT needs to advocate against Linux on that project. If something makes your job much easier and much less stressful while saving your company money, you should always support it vociferously. One just needs to make sure that&#39;s actually the case and that they can support their opinions with evidence.Using open standards would actually prevent the need for indemnification. You won&#39;t get sued for using PCM, MIDI, MOD, S3M, etc. You probably won&#39;t get sued for using OGG. MP3 is not open, and that&#39;s what caused the suit. Hence so many people complaining that some Linux distros won&#39;t support non-open file formats.Wrapping up:There are many points I&#39;ve argued against, and there could be more just from within the that article.Apple vs. Linux isn&#39;t such a big deal as Microsoft vs. Linux for many reasons. Steve Jobs doesn&#39;t loudly attack Linux in the press. OS X will run most of the software Linux will run because OS X is a Unix. Apple&#39;s not in the habit of using FUD against the competition, except that many PC laptops in the same class as a MacBook also have cameras preinstalled. Apple doesn&#39;t force third parties to buy their product across entire lines of another company&#39;s preloaded OS as Microsoft has done (it&#39;s true you pay for OS X when you buy an Apple machine, but that&#39;s Apple&#39;s own sales, not Dell&#39;s or Gateway&#39;s). Apple does change APIs a little more than most developers would like, but it&#39;s not nearly as drastic as Microsoft&#39;s strategic API overhauls specifically to squelch competition. All in all, Apple doesn&#39;t get as much press as a foe of Linux advocates because the company just doesn&#39;t treat developers and users the way Microsoft does. It&#39;s partly practices like those of Microsoft, SCO, etc. that systems like Linux and the BSDs are trying to avoid.The FSF doesn&#39;t own the Linux kernel, but it does own many of the development tools, libraries, utility programs, and other projects contained in a typical OS distribution that contains the kernel. They aren&#39;t renaming Linux, they&#39;re just trying to get people to acknowledge that there&#39;s more to the OS than the kernel.The GPL v3 is for additional purposes beyond those of the GPL v2. Linus has already said the kernel will not become v3 licensed. Anything already released as GPLv2 (or &quot;v2 or later&quot; or even &quot;v1 or later&quot;) can be branched from the point that they become licensed GPLv3 only or v3 and later. Newer BSD-licensed code is compatible with the GPLv2, too. Many other licenses are fit for use with the GPLv2. Many developers are happy to keep working on GPLv2 code bases. Ballmer is trying to use FUD to keep people from defecting from his products. He doesn&#39;t care if it hurts or helps Linux as long as it&#39;s not Windows customers who install Linux in place of Windows.I&#39;m not sure you&#39;re the first person to raise any of these issues. I&#39;m sure you won&#39;t be the last. If you were really a hero for bringing up taboo topics, you wouldn&#39;t need to point it out in your article. However, your reasoning is wrong, and some of your premises are wrong to boot. If these are really questions you think are pertinent, then maybe you should ask these questions first:1. Is it important that I&#39;m tied to a single entity for support, or is the idea that I can swap out parts from multiple vendors a good thing? Am I willing to give up the security of the former for the flexibility of the latter?2. Is it easier to follow a good security regimen with Linux and still have a system with functioning applications than it is with Windows?3. Is the Linux community working as a commune, sharing everything? Is it actually that there is self-interest in using a large cache of pre-built parts for free in exchange for the minor price of providing the source of any changes a developer distributes? Can a company or individual learn to share some developments without sharing their whole home, business, and income? How is it different for a capitalist to share one thing than to live in a commune where everything is shared equally?4. Is Linux based on open standards? Is the process by which it is developed based on merit of the product produced? Is the source code available for perusal and reuse? This is what&#39;s meant by Linux being &quot;open&quot;. Do not confuse Open Source with warm and fuzzy feelings among the people. The goal of reusable, redistributable, merit-based development is not about people being nice to you when they disagree with your opinions about a whole group of people. If you write a new scheduler, a faster GIMP font loader, a more secure login procedure, or an all-around better anything that gets rejected from a project because people think you&#39;re a twit with amazing coding skills, then that&#39;s the kind of closed that means that Linux isn&#39;t open. As it stands, if Linus Torvalds or Andrew Morton thinks you&#39;re a twit but you offer up working code that&#39;s better than some part of his kernel and you&#39;re willing to license it as GPLv2, it can be included nonetheless. That&#39;s open. If you download the source of one of my GPL projects, make changes, and redistribute the code in another project but release the source, you&#39;re free to use that software to say I&#39;m a twit. That&#39;s open. If I license something BSD (which is rare, but I&#39;ve done it) and you take the source and use it in a closed-source project and make a million off of it without paying me royalties then that&#39;s okay. That&#39;s open.

Mar 9, 2007 3:20 PM Guest Steve  says:

Rob-I don&#39;t do LINUX, or UNIX, and I could care less if someone bad mouths it. However, if you are going up against something, at least have something intelligent to say. Your arguments are tendentious at best and empty at worst. Go back to blogging about something you know about.

Mar 9, 2007 3:20 PM Guest AdamSebWolf  says:

Thanks a lot. I&#39;m so glad that someone&#39;s willing to lay it out objectively. 

Mar 9, 2007 3:21 PM Guest Hugo Ahlquist..  says:

My question, Rob, is whether you were paid by SCO and Microsoft to write this, or given spiraling SCO&#39;s financial woes, just Microsoft? Cheers!  Hugo

Mar 9, 2007 3:22 PM Guest ws  says:

I&#39;ll agree with Eric H -- This is the most blatant Troll post  I&#39;ve seen in a long time.  It shows a tremendous misunderstanding of the nature of Linux, OSS and Free software. If you think it isn&#39;t ready for the desktop, then don&#39;t blame the kernel team.The point of the GPL v3 is to prevent companies, companies like Microsoft, from &#39;stealing&#39; GPL&#39;d works. You compare Linux to a company, to an operating system, to a myth. It&#39;s none of those. It&#39;s just a kernel.Free software is the ideal. And linux distributions will be what they are. Taking on Microsoft&#39;s dominance is just a side benefit -- I won&#39;t be sad to see MS&#39; crappy software move out of the limelight. 

Mar 9, 2007 3:23 PM Guest Tim Ransom  says:

Enderle: Most Unacceptable to the New York Times Due to Being a Cheap PR Shill Analyst Online                     Seriously: does anyone give a fiddler&#39;s fart what this disgraced hack says anymore?  Ol&#39; Rant for Rent Rob jumped the shark waay back with his surreal &#39;Keynote Speech&#39; at SCOForum, an expletive laden, paranoid drunken diatribe that exposed Enderle as possibly the dullest blade in the business. That people still publish his 2 watt ruminations is testimony to how cheap and unscrupulous people like eWeek really are.  As if that weren&#39;t enough, the occasional caveat from editors warning the reader that Rob&#39;s opinion is paid for by Microsoft should tell anyone who cares what a complete hand puppet the witless ex-sherriff is.  But Rob&#39;s crowning achievement has to be getting outed as a shill by the New York Times, who felt compelled to apologize to their readers for quoting the odious pinhead, stating that had they known what kind of bottom feeding cancer on honest journalism Enderle is, they never would have asked him anything.  As for &#39;attack squads&#39;, etc, I distinctly recall getting trolled and harrassed to no end by an Enderle &quot;fan&quot; all over the Internet for supposedly &quot;spamming&quot; his column. I had merely provided a link to an editor stating that Enderle was working for MS wherever his vapid preverications popped up. You would think that a guy in his line of work would be proud of who he works for. Go figure.

Mar 9, 2007 3:26 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Wow.   And we are back to personal attack.  I guess I hit a chord.   What is funny is how often Linux fans use the "paid by Microsoft" thing.  You'll note he doesn't address a single point he just sidesteps the whole thing and calls me names.   Now that's adult, kind of makes several of my points in one post though doesn't it?   Thanks for that. 

 

It is also nice to know I have a couple of fans, if you can remember who chased you around please let me know, I'd like to send some flowers. 

Mar 9, 2007 3:28 PM Guest john  says:

Notice &quot;couldn&#39;t write about Linux&quot;.Rob may write about Linux, but it&#39;s obvious that he can&#39;t write about it. 

Mar 9, 2007 3:30 PM Guest fredblotnic  says:

I am primarily a Linux user at home and at work primarily windows user. I am in IT as a programmer. There are things I disagree with but mostly found this article good and to the point. I think one of the biggest problems in Linux is Stallman. And there are a few zealots but not all linux users are. I love linux and use it for my desktop. I think alot of the anger that has arisen from Linux people over the years comes from that over time we used Linux only to have Microsoft fans belittle us for our choice. a sort of knee jerk reaction for all the negative attention we received over our choice. If more windows and linux users would step away from creating Ideologies around both Operating systems there would be better dialog. Also if the companies would quit suing and patenting over simple and non-groundbreaking technology, ie the double click, then our computing world would be better off. There are those of us Linux users who enjoy peaceful and healthy dialog but like any big group with opinions there are the fringe people who give the rest a bad name. keep writing about Linux I will listen but i will also discuss back  p.s. to reply to someone there are newer distros that offer automatic mounting of usb drives. you just have to find one. Ubuntu i think is one. 

Mar 9, 2007 3:34 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

I agree, I think Linux has reached the point where it can stand without being backed by threat.  It may not be right for me, and Windows may not be right for you, but if we don&#39;t have a discussion we really won&#39;t know for sure will we?  Agree on Stallman.  The guy scares me half to death.  Linus on the other hand, you can&#39;t help but like him. 

Mar 9, 2007 3:34 PM Guest Eric H  says:

Okay Rob, Now you are just being an jackal by criticizing PJ of Groklaw with your word twisting.  You really expect her to want to go do a deposition, when noone else in the world would want to spend their time in a room with lawyers for SCO.  These are folks capable of standing in front of a judge and making statements that anyone with rudimentary knowledge of the subject matter knows to be false. You clearly have no knowledge of the subject matter you are criticizing.  You are either a naive, ignorant fool lapping up whatever FUD you&#39;re being spoonfed.  Or your are the worst kind of hypocrit chasing the mighty dollar without regard for anyone or anything - especially the truth. Open source software is all about the sharing of knowledge so others can benefit.  Those who choose to license under the GPL also want to require the reciprocal to be true - by using the knowledge I shared with you, you must share your knowledge, too.  The purpose is to prevent some &#39;evil&#39; entity from benefitting from the knowledge I have shared without giving back in kind.  If you don&#39;t wish to abide by these terms, don&#39;t use the knowledge I have produced. This &quot;philosophy&quot; will continue regardless of whether Linux remains viable in business.  That Linux became viable in business is merely a statement of how robust and stable Linux has become over time.  I suspect this same evolution will see Linux take over the desktop one day. Folks like you seem to confuse cause and effect. As for your bashing of Groklaw&#39;s PJ in one of your comments...  If I make negative statements about SCO or Microsoft, at least there is ample (actually, a plethora) of evidence to suggest they are at least capable of the negative thing I state.  FACT: Microsoft has been convicted at least twice of anticompetitive behavior.  FACT: SCO did repudiate the GPL.  FACT: Microsoft often &quot;talks&quot; about supporting open standards and innovation while their actions often do exactly the opposite. You are now bashing PJ when there isn&#39;t a shred of evidence to support even the notion that she might be capable of such behavior, while there is a boatload (nay, a whole shipload) of evidence to the contrary. Occam&#39;s Razor, fool. Open source and open development process = glass houseClosed source and proprietary software vendors = windowless factoryWhich one is easy to examine, look at, investigate?  Where will it be easier to hide things or cover-up actions?  This is blatantly obvious stuff here, Rob. Stop throwing stones! 

Mar 9, 2007 3:40 PM Guest fredblotnic  says:

I want to mention that i feel that SCO has a baseless claim in its lawsuits. It hasnt brought forth any evidence to prove that its code which it may or may not even own was infringed on. I think that SCO was doing poorly and decided to find a way to make money that involved Suing companies for patent infringement.I feel about them the same as i do about Patent Firms that just create patents for the purpose of suing companies that actually make a product. Its a sound business principle but it leaves a sour taste in the ethical realm. 

Mar 9, 2007 3:56 PM Guest SwordSaint  says:

What&#39;s odd about this article is that he does the very thing that he accuses &quot;Linux&quot; users of doing.  He compares one system to another with no proof or facts. He clearly is biased toward a particular OS.  If this was actually a serious review about a system I would be concerned about his sources. For instance, &quot;   A few years from now when Linux does plug and play, Microsoft will have moved the bar &quot;  When was the last time you actually used a linux distro. All of the major distros have plug and play currently.  I can name a few that have boot from pen drives. A few that will allow you to give unique names to auto detected usb drives.  I can consider this an honest review without you already knowing this.   @ Ryan &quot;When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something.When Linux does that I'll consider changing."Well consider changing there are at least 4 distros that currently have that ability.  @ Ryan, Rob, I like Windows (except Windows ME) and I like several linux distros, so I am not taking the opposite side in this argument.  But come on admit it, you know this article is not worthy of anyone claiming to be a professional.    

Mar 9, 2007 3:57 PM Guest BobPaul  says:

You certainly have a way with words. Lots and lots of words. Lots and lots of meaningless words. Where&#39;s the MEAT? Where&#39;s the ARGUMENT? I read this whole article and you failed to actually say anything, except that there is more than one distribution of linux and you attacked some people/companies somehow related to OSS. Next time you write an article, sit down and think about the point you are trying to convey. Then, it might be useful to outline your point and find directly related evidence. Cut the fluff.

Mar 9, 2007 4:06 PM Guest David F. Skoll  says:

Rob, Why does Richard Stallman &quot;scare you half to death&quot;?  Because he takes a principled stand?  Because he believes in what he says?  Because he does what he says?  Because he is consistent in his beliefs and willing to stand up for what he sees to be a moral issue?Oh wait... I guess I just answered my question. 

Mar 9, 2007 4:09 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Becasue he looks and acts scary.  Sorry I wasn&#39;t more clear.  I mean positioning Linux as anti-American in Cuba.  That&#39;s scary nuts.  I mean have you ever seen the guy? 

Mar 9, 2007 4:12 PM Guest Bender  says:

quote comment=&quot;26&quot;What a breath of fresh air, I like Windows at the moment, granted it has its bugs but it works. It&#39;s easy to use and does most of the grunt work for me. When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something.When Linux does that I'll consider changing. [/quote] It can do both of those things. You just need to chose a distro that does. Like mandrake\fedora. They both have auto mounting and package installers.  

Mar 9, 2007 4:12 PM Guest David F. Skoll  says:

Stallman is eccentric, no doubt.  But he gets things done, and arguably is the prime mover that spawned Free Software / Open-Source. Maybe that&#39;s scary.  It certainly is scary to Microsoft; they&#39;ve probably spent more on anti-Linux ads than the total spent on Linux development.  

Mar 9, 2007 4:16 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Actually I think Stallman does as much to help Microsoft as Ballmer actually does to help Linux.  Both guys have a nasty tendancy to help the other side.  

 

I've seen Microsoft actually use Stallman's stuff very effectively and I know you've seen things Ballmer has said used the same way. 

 

If either one of the just stayed quiet I thnk their respective sides would generally be appreciative.�

Mar 9, 2007 4:24 PM Guest Diggers  says:

I am a nobody sysadmin for a college radio station, and I&#39;ve had personal correspondence with RMS (Stallman, the big man at GNU) on multiple occasions.  He responds to most emails personally within two days with insightful and eloquient reponses.  Anyone saying that GNU or FSF is unresponsive, esp about the GPL v3, is flat out lying.  This guy is the bowtie dude from Crossfire which Jon Stewart slaughtered.  

Mar 9, 2007 4:25 PM Guest Chuck  says:

An interesting piece. Writing software is work, and while it is a lot of fun for many (myself included) there is the &quot;fun part&quot; and the &quot;work part&quot;. So why would anyone work on software for Linux for &quot;free&quot; ? This is a question worth asking because you will find that a small percentage are paid directly (OSDL), some are paid indirectly (they work for a company that is using open software and their job is to feed fixes back into the base product), and many are paid in &quot;ego strokes&quot; which is to say they achieve some measure of self worth by knowing something they did is in something you are using. Then there is the rabble. The rabble are the people who champion your cause, but don&#39;t actually do anything for it. They lash out at your detractors, they cheer your supporters. They are &quot;momentum&quot; incarnate. Much of the behavioral dynamics of the Linux community are more closely paralleled to that of the Roman Catholic Church than say the Royal Society of London. There are bishops and cardinals in the Linux community, there is clearly an inquisition squad, and of course there is a pope. We get Richard Stallman playing the role of Martin Luther and trying to explain why at its core Linux isn&#39;t really about Free Software but rather about enabling greed. I assume that such a group is a natural form of belief based organization.  

Mar 9, 2007 4:26 PM Guest wisaac  says:

I&#39;ve used Linux and Windows, and I prefer Linux.  I guess that I personally do not care if Linux becomes the number one OS, or if Windows remains the number one OS forever.  I&#39;m just glad that I have a choice. 

Mar 9, 2007 4:30 PM Guest Marco  says:

quote comment=&quot;75&quot;You really should make this a series - there&#39;s that much information that could be covered. I&#39;ve been using Linux on the server in commercial applications since 1996.  I&#39;ve attempted to use it on the desktop repeatedly since then, but it always falls way short.  Consider wireless networking, X, odd devices.  I have a Dell Latitude D620.  It&#39;s almost a year old, but no distribution can get the widescreen display working out of the box.  I have to download 915resolution and set that to run in rc.local and do a bunch of tinkering in xorg.conf.  Are you kidding me??  And the wireless - yeah, right - 10 years ago I didn&#39;t mind compiling a bunch of code scattered on various sites to get something working.  Even then, I still can&#39;t get wireless working - what a joke!  And forget the limited number of other peripherals I have for this!  Linux on the desktop is a joke - and that&#39;s coming from an ardent Linux supporter and contributor to Linux and, more specifically, GNOME applications. Go for a series- you&#39;ll have plenty of material if you look around.[/quote]Thank you so much for your comment- my thoughts exactly ! 

Mar 9, 2007 4:39 PM Guest ron  says:

Keep in mind when you speak of inconsistancies between Linux distros (which I agree there are) MS is not isolated from this problem. I know of no orgainization that simply upgrades any MS product when it comes out. Every aspect of component interaction must be completly tested. This testing can take months of valuable time and keep businesses from advancing their core business technology. The number of image disks that our IT department maintains for our windows systems is staggering. It has taken us over a year to upgrade from SQL2K to SQL2K5, along the way we have had to deal with Win2K to WinXP to Win2K3. Vista is not even on the radar.I became a developer so that I could create technical solutions to problems that interset me not solve inconsistancies between various MS products.

Mar 9, 2007 4:45 PM Guest BWhited  says:

I always find it fascinating to watch the Linux fanboys attack! Clearly, they are disappointed that they missed the religious wars of the 16th and 17th century. I am sure if they could roast Rob at the stake they would. If their product is as good as they say it is, the market will sort it out. The same is true of Apple. I have been using Intel and Apple products since 1980. My experience with Apple has been that they make great software, poor hardware, and that they treat their customers like garbage, then tell how wonderful it is to be overcharged and treated like crap. Linux is fine in many environments. I find it humorous though that when it beats out MS, the users invariably find some reason to bring back the MS desktop. Of course this is always dismissed by the fact that the users are defective. Judging from the social skills of many of the people commenting on this post, therapy is in order. I will continue to explore Linux, I find it fascinating. I will continue to make my living with Microsoft, since I find starving unpleasant.

Mar 9, 2007 4:45 PM Guest Wraith Daquell  says:

It's interesting how, when anything bad about O Holy Linux is said, the *nix fanboys all jump in a start throwing cuss-slang around and demeaning the article.

 

It all comes down to imperfection. Windows is very imperfect. OS X is very imperfect. Linux, and open source software, is very imperfect. I say potAtoe, you say potAHtoe - can't we all just get along? This is a good article... maybe imperfect, but not too much.

Mar 9, 2007 4:51 PM Guest Hagbard  says:

&quot;We know that crooks are generally crooks because they didn&#39;t do well in school&quot; is one of the most absurd generalizations I have read in a purportedly serious article. This entire article is a sloppy mix of attacks on various &#39;straw man&#39; claims, based on a number of seemingly delierate misunderstandings and misrepresentations. After first saying that discussion should be focused on a particular specific distribution, the rest of the article proceeds to attack &#39;linux&#39; by choosing whatever target seems most vulnerable, ranging from the FSF to IBM, at the author&#39;s convenience. I followed a link to this article hoping for a fresh and candid perspective on various free software issues, but instead, found the kind of careless attack piece that should stay in realm of amateur blogging. This is beneath the standard of factual and responsible journalism and commentary.

Mar 9, 2007 4:51 PM Guest Harry Penguin  says:

We've been using GNU/Linux on the desktop for about 5 years now, and I've been using it on the desktop at home for a few years more than that. It's come a long way since then.  At times, it seemed that as windows users and GNU/Linux dabblers complained about a missing feature, the complaint would barely be out of a user's mouth and it would be fixed in the next released distro.

 

While anything regarding "Linux" coming from good ol' Bobby Enderle is  always regarded as suspect simply due to Enderle's past history on the subject and dogged promotion of everything Microsoft, an outsider looking in need only look at GNU/Linux yearly compound growth rates in both the server space and the  desktop, and compare the numbers to both Unix and Microsoft.  Also, while MS shills are quick to point out that GNU/Linux growth is coming at the expense of Unix, what they like to bury is the fact that the Unix market share that GNU/Linux is picking up would otherwise be going to Microsoft had it not been for the GPL.

 

As for GPL v3, as you and others have learned, the GPL is viral.  Linus can protest against GPL v3 all he wants, but once v3 is out, it will only be a matter of time before either Linux/Linus adopts v3, or development momentum switches to GNU/Hurd, GNU/Solaris, or some other GNU/kernel combo.  Meanwhile, Richard Stallman once again flies in to rescue the end user from software patents, Microsoft threats, and digital restrictions management.

 

As for PJ, anyone who's ever been thoroughly reamed via a deposition or two can attest, any minor change in routine which succeeds in avoiding being served for a deposition is a win-win situation for her.  It's up to the server to properly serve the papers.  If they can't, too bad.  The other issue is, so what if PJ is a ghost, is IBM, is Ghandi.  What's the difference?  Groklaw has served its purpose well.  It has brought to light the lies, hypocrisy and utter nonsense that is that pistol-packin' cowboy we all know and love who heads a failed company.

 

As for the "Linux Strike Team", if I call myself the Al-GNU Martyrs Brigade, or the Popular Front for the Liberation of Linux, and I take similar action against you like the "Linux Strike Team" did, does that condemn the community, even though you have no proof of the organization even existing, letting alone being populated by casual "Linux" users, or just a loner working out of mom's basement?  It would certainly make you more popular among your readers and supporters, being the poor victim at the mercy of those evil Linux hackers.

 

The squeals are the loudest when the most pain is felt.  Looking at GNU/Linux compound growth rates, the implosion of SCO, the near implosion of Sun, the pain being felt by the SCO resellers and other groups you used to be paid to talk to at industry events before they disappeared...GNU/Linux continues its march into the center of enterprise, and begins with similar amazing growth rates on the desktop.

 

Thanks to GNU/Linux on the desktop, Apple, and Google's offerings, Microsoft will peak this year in desktop/office market share, and will never again reach the market share numbers it now enjoys.  Higher average selling prices and crackdowns on piracy will increase revenue for MS for a few years, but the music's over.

Mar 9, 2007 4:53 PM Guest somebody  says:

quote comment=&quot;58&quot;Linux needs PnP AND installers ASAP to become a real desktop alternative for mass-production users. Making everyone learn to use RPM is an unrealistic goal, and won&#39;t work, the same way &quot;making everyone learn to use DOS&quot; never worked.[/quote]  Double click on an RPM file in Fedora and see what happens.

Mar 9, 2007 5:00 PM Guest Somebody  says:

Another great story paid for by Microsoft; directly from their talking points flier.

Mar 9, 2007 5:03 PM Guest Eric H  says:

quote comment=&quot;153&quot;Becasue he looks and acts scary.  Sorry I wasn&#39;t more clear.[/quote]Wow, Rob.  This is why Stallman scares you?  I shouldn&#39;t be shocked.  There is as much basis in fact for your reasoning here as you&#39;ve displayed in everything else you&#39;ve written. I can only imagine how you earn a living considering your &quot;product&quot; is illinformed, biased (mis)information based on your limitted, naive understanding of the &quot;emerging technology&quot; about which you write. How can you claim to be founder of &quot;a forward looking emerging technology advisory firm&quot; when you discuss a lack of features in Linux that have existed for at least 5 years.  From where does this technology have to emerge before you write about it?

Mar 9, 2007 5:11 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Where do I say anythng about features?  What did you read exactly? 

 

On Stallman:  If you are going to pull something you may want to pull the entire thng, you don't want someone accusing you of taking things out of context....  Or making them up...  Not that a Linux supporter would EVER do that...  LOL

Mar 9, 2007 5:12 PM Guest Bryan A  says:

As someone who started out on BSD UNIX it kills me how some of the Linux folks believe there should be one and only one OS: Linux.  Anything commercial is bad.  Odd that the BSD folks never had this attitude even when BSD ruled the world (most commercial UNIX&#39;s were once BSD based). Clearly MacOS X would be my choice on the desktop before Linux with Windows XP coming in 2nd.  On the server side Sun&#39;s Solaris 10 over Linux.  Not that Linux isn&#39;t a good OS it&#39;s just there are better desktops OSes and server OSes. 

Mar 9, 2007 5:12 PM Guest Philippe  says:

They pay you to write that ?

Mar 9, 2007 5:15 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

I have to say, I have yet to meet a BSD user I didn't like.  They tend to be well qualified articulate and stay on point. 

 

Agreed on OSX.Here is a link to the latest head to head I was involved with.  OSX misses by a hair (and Leopard will fix this shortly).  Linux misses by a mile.

 

http://www.cio.com/advice_opinion/infrastructure/operating_systems/halamka_os_review_1.html

Mar 9, 2007 5:19 PM Guest Joe  says:

My guess the real reason you write about linux is because you can trash it and get slashdot coverage to help with itbusinessedge.com&#39;s ad revenue.  I never saw any evidence that you can&#39;t say what you want about linux, and like any good topic, religon, politics, os or text editor, you will get heat no matter what stand you take. So to say the least, your 5 things you can&#39;t talk are lame, plain and simple. Yoiur rational for the first item alone invalidates the need to talk about the other four.Maybe you should get a REAL job like handing out shopping carts at walmart.   

Mar 9, 2007 5:20 PM Guest Shawn H.  says:

I love Linux (Ubuntu and Red Hat derivatives mostly) and have been using them for years.  In particular, I think Ubuntu is a great desktop Linux system and can replace Windows for most users. With that being said, I agree with some of Enderle has to say on this matter.  People in the Linux community tend to be fanatics and that is the problem.  In particular, the two biggest problems I see with the Linux community are its anti-business attitudes (FSF mostly) and its claim that Linux is secure.   Linux is not more secure than Mac OS X, Windows, INSERT OS HERE.  Good security is layered.  It depends on good coding, layered security and proper configuration and administration. I would trust my information more on a properly configured and administered Windows system than on a poorly configured and administered Linux system.  However, that is not to say that Linux does not have the potential to be secure, it just has to be configured and administered as such.

Mar 9, 2007 5:21 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Amen brother, now that is exactly right.  People play a big part of security.   Nicely said.

Mar 9, 2007 5:31 PM Guest Q  says:

Off-Topic : I found your references of &quot;Third World&quot; very disturbing. It&#39;s like bashing &quot;Linux&quot; and not about any specific distribution or company.  You better mention specific countries or company names in the &quot;Third World&quot;. There are lots of great  companies in the &quot;Third World&quot; doing great for their own markets - even if they are not  able to compete with the smallest &quot;First World&quot; company&quot;.

Mar 9, 2007 5:35 PM Guest WouterVH  says:

When I needed to write an academic article on logical fallacies a few years ago, I ended up using only articles from Rob Enderle as real-world examples.It was an amazing experience to see what a rich repertoire of fallacies he can cram into a single article, not to mention the systematic factual errors each article contains. Everytime people start to talk me about religious fanaticism in open source communities,  I politely refer to some of my favorite Enderle-articles to show counter-examples of religious anti-open source zealotry. Thank You, Rob. 

Mar 9, 2007 5:40 PM Guest fredblotnic  says:

quote comment=&quot;169&quot;Where do I say anythng about features?  What did you read exactly?�  On Stallman:  If you are going to pull something you may want to pull the entire thng, you don&#39;t want someone accusing you of taking things out of context....  Or making them up...  Not that a Linux supporter would EVER do that...  LOL[/quote]Ok, now that might be considered a personal attack and broad generalization. I dont really think that its appropriate from you if you are to claim that its only linux users that do this. Remember I am a Linux supporter and that I have on this talk back section responded with intellectual discussion on this subject. I still dont think that most people appreciate the fact that everything has their zealot idealists.  This is more true in the windows and Linux communities but it still exists in BSD and Unix. Now the point about people playing a big part of security can and was witnessed by Kevin Mitnic. He used absolutely no computer to hack his way in but called in and used people to find wholes in the systems. 

Mar 9, 2007 5:53 PM Guest Pete  says:

quote comment=&quot;98&quot;My gosh, is Enderle still bleating?  You&#39;d think his employers would realize that no-one cares about what he writes, and would stop paying him to shill against open-source. [/quote] You read it, your responding! I think that qualifies as caring... P.S. Each side has valid points, be civil in your response. I think anyone who posts on the web should post evidence with sources cited to back up their articles and claims Enderle has failed to do this. And so have some the trolls who have responded to the article in these comments failed to back up their rhetoric with proof. I give Enderle credit for takingt he time to research and post links to sources to rebuff some of the false accusations in these comments.

Mar 9, 2007 5:54 PM Guest Alex Glidden  says:

I work in IT in an all MS shop. My experience with Linux is nearly nonexistant. After installing and using Ubuntu for less than a month I can see a flaw in one of your arguements against Linux. That being the lack of PNP and hardware recognition. Ubuntu recognized flash drives just fine, and installed all my hardware with out error. I have had no problems installing hardware whatsoever. I have heard that there are issues with wireless drivers, but haven&#39;t had a chance to test it yet as we don&#39;t use wireless in our office.  I also have a problem with your assertation that there is no double click to install. Ubuntu has an &quot;Add/Remove programs&quot; just like in the windows control panel. Even better, it grabs that list from the net and downloads what it needs. I don&#39;t have to worry about managing disks, or dependancies. While I&#39;m certaintly not qualified to speak for/against the rest of your points, I would have hoped that you knew more than I did before writing this. I&#39;m not certain yet if Linux in general or Ubuntu in specific is going to work for our shop. However with some of the problems we&#39;ve had with MS products, we&#39;re definately going to continue to evaluate it. 

Mar 9, 2007 5:56 PM Guest Jay  says:

My favorite part about Windows is that certain memory sticks show up, and others don&#39;t.  Unless, of course, you happen to type F: in the explorer bar, and then it shows up.  And then there are the times when Windows &quot;locks&quot; the memory stick, and I can&#39;t &quot;safely remove&quot; it without rebooting.[quote comment=&quot;26&quot;]What a breath of fresh air, I like Windows at the moment, granted it has its bugs but it works. It&#39;s easy to use and does most of the grunt work for me. When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something.When Linux does that I'll consider changing. [/quote]

Mar 9, 2007 5:57 PM Guest xamat  says:

Not ready for the desktop? Really, I don&#39;t know what you people are talking about. I have been using Linux as my main desktop for a couple of years and it does have installers, plug and play and works 99% of the time. The other 1% is only due to manufacturers that are too short-sighted to open up their specifications or the use of non-standard interfaces. Even my 7 year old worked comfortably on Ubuntu Linux until the day he wanted to play a Star Wars game, only available for Windows. Linux is not ready for the Desktop... c&#39;mon, have you even tried a recent distribution?

Mar 9, 2007 6:03 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

quote comment=&quot;176&quot;Off-Topic : I found your references of &quot;Third World&quot; very disturbing. It&#39;s like bashing &quot;Linux&quot; and not about any specific distribution or company.  You better mention specific countries or company names in the &quot;Third World&quot;. There are lots of great  companies in the &quot;Third World&quot; doing great for their own markets - even if they are not  able to compete with the smallest &quot;First World&quot; company&quot;.[/quote] I went back and reread what I wrote.   I have to agree, I was insensitive in my comment and will work to ensure I don’t make that mistake again.   I can only say I didn’t intend it to sound that way.  I apologize. 

Mar 9, 2007 6:06 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

quote comment=&quot;182&quot;Not ready for the desktop? Really, I don&#39;t know what you people are talking about. I have been using Linux as my main desktop for a couple of years and it does have installers, plug and play and works 99% of the time. The other 1% is only due to manufacturers that are too short-sighted to open up their specifications or the use of non-standard interfaces. Even my 7 year old worked comfortably on Ubuntu Linux until the day he wanted to play a Star Wars game, only available for Windows. Linux is not ready for the Desktop... c&#39;mon, have you even tried a recent distribution?[/quote] I&#39;m really talking about being ready for the business desktop not your desktop or your 7 year old&#39;s.  This is the most recent head to head I&#39;ve participated in.  It isn&#39;t even close.  (Apple is though).   http://www.cio.com/advice_opinion/infrastructure/operating_systems/halamka_os_review_1.html

Mar 9, 2007 6:10 PM Guest Jhonny  says:

I think you were told not to write about Linux because your articles are quite bad. Take a look around, there are much better points to bash Linux. The &quot;there is no linux&quot; part is the one that sucks most: Linux is a OS kernel and it exists...

Mar 9, 2007 6:16 PM Guest John  says:

I&#39;ll tell you what the real problem with Linux is. People are impatient. Most people that would have any interest in what Linux has to offer have been spoiled by Windows, like a Visual Basic programmer who suddenly needs to learn C++.Most people just don&#39;t want to invest the time re-learning everything. My wife is a perfect example, she flat-out refused to use Linux for months until after I had learned the ropes and could show her the benefits. She really likes it now though. And when you fire up Beryl, people&#39;s eyes pop! I had it running on my machine at work and my boss caught it out of the corner of his eye, suddenly I was surrounded by a crowd, everyone asking WHAT IS THAT!? I&#39;ve never seen a reaction like that to any of the crap in Windows. Now that I have invested time to gather the knowledge I can stomp on Windows. I have 3 office suites at my disposal, koffice, OOo, and MS Word on Crossover. I can burn/copy CDs and DVDs with impunity.  I can edit photos with at least three different editors. I can edit video with Cinelerra. I can watch video with xine or mplayer or vlc. I can run my CAD software on Wine, even play some Windows games with Wine or Cedega. All of my hardware works, even on my Dell C840 laptop, wireless was a pain, but I got through it. NDISwrapper is your friend, so is Google and the wonderful Linux community. Screw you Microsoft, I WIN! 

Mar 9, 2007 6:21 PM Guest Lawrence  says:

I think most of Mr. Enderle&#39;s problems boil down to integrity and credibility (well, and grammar and spelling).  Richard Stallman would, I&#39;m sure, be willing to list every bit of income he has received and where it came from.  He can do so because he really is doing what he does out of a desire to improve society and has nothing to hide.Mr. Enderle&#39;s relationships with Microsoft and SCO are not so transparent, and therefore his credibility suffers.  We can&#39;t tell if his opinions are studied and objective, or are merely paid for. Mr. Enderle - would you be willing to expose ALL your income and its sources for the past 5 years?  If someone discounts your opinions because they feel you are on Microsoft&#39;s or SCO&#39;s payroll, can you refute them?

Mar 9, 2007 6:26 PM Guest Anonymous Coward  says:

asshole

Mar 9, 2007 6:27 PM Guest Mihai  says:

Maybe people told you not to write about Linux because you have no clue?&quot;Could I now argue that Linux is simply another name for OSF? Really, look at the language in GPL 3.&quot;Linus, did not adopt GPL3 for the Linux kernel (and made the position public). The great majority of the applications that form &quot;Linux as OS&quot; did not adopt GLP3 either. Then what are talking about? You article is full of this kind of errors.I don&#39;t say &quot;don&#39;t write,&quot; I say &quot;get a clue before you write.&quot; 

Mar 9, 2007 6:33 PM Guest John  says:

Why are all of the Linux users here wasting their time arguing and cussing? Spend your time more productively, spread the news, show somebody else what Linux has to offer. I&#39;ve shown everyone I know who might benefit, and I have created quite a few new Linux users.

Mar 9, 2007 6:36 PM Guest John  says:

Maybe somebody could show the author how to install Fedora on his crappy Ferrari laptop so he could actually try using Linux instead of bashing it. 

Mar 9, 2007 6:37 PM Guest Pat Norton  says:

God, this is briliantly funny.Ever since that Jack fellow down in Florida has layed off his anti gaming campaign, I havent heard such grandiose delusions. You&#39;ve stretched out your 15minutes quite a bit rehashing mindless drivel but this &#39;woe is me&#39; is a touch of sheer genius.. The superhuman and god-like comparing you do on point #1 show just far genius is to madness.Seems like the line has been crossed. PN 

Mar 9, 2007 6:40 PM Guest David Ashton  says:

I enjoyed this article, though I don&#39;t agree really with most of it.  I must confess that I throughly abject to your abstraction of the word Linux. Though I don&#39;t deny that the media has betrayed it&#39;s use from the beginning.  I believe most your problems you express at the beginning are not really related to Linux in general as all Linux really is is a kernel not a full operating system.  Which to some degree does acknowledges what your trying to say.  You are correct in that we should compare distributions to windows and not just Linux itself.  Yet at the same time, you address the comparison of Linux to Microsoft itself as futile.  While you can&#39;t compare a kernel to a Company, the Linux community and how it works is an entity just like Microsoft.  With both being an entity and comparing them is quite fascinating with all there different philosophies. As for the rest of your article you make the same mistake every one does when making arguments about Linux and it&#39;s usefulness.  People seem to think that we all need the same things and think the same way.  I wont deny the fact that Linux does not work for every one and that not every one has to like it.   I wont deny it&#39;s complexity nor the fact that is different from the common.I give you the right to your free speech and options, the question I ask is really were did this get us? 

Mar 9, 2007 6:41 PM Guest Bruno  says:

Linux is a kernel! A valuable, stable, reliable and portable one, who runs on many architectures for several purposes, and has proved to deserve a lot of merit. If anyone want to compare it, do it with the windows, mac, solaris, unix kernels; and leave all the other applications that make an OS behind.Is linux secure? Of course it isn&#39;t perfect, but for a kernel it is pretty secure!  Do communes work? Some do, some don&#39;t. The linux one seems to work well. The result is a good kernel.Is Linux Pro-Developer, or Pro-You? In a way, both. Yes, linux is open. You can have the code, change it and do what the hell you want with it.Nice article, though...  

Mar 9, 2007 6:41 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

quote comment=&quot;192&quot;Maybe somebody could show the author how to install Fedora on his crappy Ferrari laptop so he could actually try using Linux instead of bashing it. [/quote] And the end result would be the one laptop I have that I can use for gaming won&#39;t be able to play games.  Oh yes, Fedora, sign me up... 

Mar 9, 2007 6:42 PM Guest Bob Wiley  says:

&quot;Not ready for the desktop? Really, I don&#39;t know what you people are talking about. I have been using Linux as my main desktop for a couple of years and it does have installers, plug and play and works 99% of the time. The other 1% is only due to manufacturers that are too short-sighted to open up their specifications or the use of non-standard interfaces.&quot;Wow, just wow. Every new distro that comes out is toted by Linux kids as the Windows slayer. &quot;This one is ready for the desktop,&quot; they cry, and so, for some reason I think, &quot;yeah, maybe this one is it.&quot; So I install the latest and greatest, can&#39;t get a flipping DVD to play legally, spend half of my leisure time looking on different forums to find out why program X doesn&#39;t work with my specific hardware configuration and wondering why on earth the software that does work is ten years behind everyone else. For some reason Linux users take their hobby way, WAY to seriously and so any criticism at all comes with the weight of a &quot;your mom&quot; joke. The truth is, it is great server software but the biggest pile of desktop crap around. It is not easy to use, it is not fun for the average user to look up issues on forms in their free time and surfing the net for an hour looking for the RPM which isn&#39;t going to run even after you find it is, again, not fun. Linux is nowhere near ready for the masses. You can sit on your high horse and say that is because the masses are idiots, but then again, that is why you Linux zealots enjoy the security you do. No one wants to waste their time with your poopy software.

Mar 9, 2007 6:47 PM Guest Jonah  says:

As I can see, firm logic is not one of the strong points of this article.  It looks more like &quot; I don&#39;t know what to write today, so maybe I can stir up some business&quot;.  Mr. Enderle, I am not sure who pays you for your knowledge (not wisdom), but the money could be put to productive use in this world.  I think I just wasted two minutes of my life here.

Mar 9, 2007 6:55 PM Guest Jay  says:

Rob,I really believe you missed the point.  Sure, your article lacked good reasoning, but you&#39;ve also got a perception problem.  Because you are an anti-Linux troll, there are things you can&#39;t say, because, well, every time you post, you just end up trolling.  The problem isn&#39;t that the community is closed to rational debate, but that you aren&#39;t capable of making rational arguments to support your position.Please don&#39;t confuse us all with religious zealots.  Granted, there are a few religious zealots out there, but most of the decisions in the open source community are made as the result of a rational process.  You may not agree with the values espoused by open source software, or even the methods, but the open source community is very effective at achieving it&#39;s collective goals.  Just because you think something important doesn&#39;t mean the rest of the community shares your opinion.But on to specifics: 1.) Linux isn&#39;t a myth, it&#39;s a kernel. I challenge you to find someone else with this mistaken assumption. (Who knows, it could be your soul mate...) 2.) Linux is secure.  Again, an irrelevant discussion because it has already been debated ad nausem and the security of Linux is well-known and changes little from release to release. 3.) Do Communes Work?  If they didn&#39;t, would Linux have run on 64 bit Intel processors before Windows?  It would seem they do a better job at bringing software to market than Microsoft.  Of course, the community works for the benefit of the members, not necessarily the users.   4.) Linux is pro-developer or pro-you?  How is this even relevant?  I&#39;m sorry if you work for a company that values your work based on the value of what you work with, rather than the value of what you produce, but if that is the case, I&#39;d say you&#39;re screwed no matter what.  What happens when Rob Enderle gets laid off so his department can afford the next Windows upgrade?  5.) Linux is open; you can pay software developers to implement whatever features you think are necessary.  Try asking Microsoft to develop your pet feature and see how far you get.  

Mar 9, 2007 7:02 PM Guest Yuri  says:

Wow, even for a blog this is a pretty dumb collection of random half-thoughts.  It&#39;s scarry how nowadays anyone can find a place to speak up, no matter how dumb the ideas.

Mar 9, 2007 7:09 PM Guest Bob Robertson  says:

[quote post="9"]What bothers me about the whole PJ thing is that she represents herself as a legal expert but then prevents legal process. [/quote]

 

No, you liar, she presented herself as a para-legal with an interest in a lawsuit the filing of which seemed to have no relation to what was being said in public by those who brought the suit.

 

Over time, her simple attention to detail has put the SCOX lawyers and pundents such as yourself to shame.

 

Unlike you, she makes no allusions to being an "expert" in anything.

 

If actual performance is any indication, her "interest" overwhelms your self-supposed "expertise".

 

Were there any justice in the universe, any prospective employer of yours would look up this article first, and avoid you like the plague. Please, please PLEASE link to this article from your "Enderle Group" web site.

 

How much is Microsoft paying you for posting these lies?

Mar 9, 2007 7:14 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Definition of a Paralegal: http://www.nala.org/whatis.htm Legal assistants and paralegals are individuals who assist lawyers in the delivery of legal services. Legal assistants and paralegals cannot give legal advice to consumers of legal services. Legal advice may only be relied upon if given by an attorney. All states require attorneys to be licensed and most have statutes imposing penalties for the unauthorized practice of law. The following definition was adopted by the NALA membership in 1986.

Definition: Legal assistants, also known as paralegals, are a distinguishable group of persons who assist attorneys in the delivery of legal services. Through formal education, training and experience, legal assistants have knowledge and expertise regarding the legal system and substantive and procedural law which qualify them to do work of a legal nature under the supervision of an attorney.  
In recognition of the similarity of the definitions and the need for one clear definition, in July 2001, the NALA membership approved a resolution to adopt the definition of the American Bar Association as well.  The ABA definition reads as follows:   
A legal assistant or paralegal is a person qualified by education, training or work experience who is employed or retained by a lawyer, law office, corporation, governmental agency or other entity who performs specifically delegated substantive legal work for which a lawyer is responsible. (Adopted by the ABA in 1997) 

Mar 9, 2007 7:16 PM Guest Jonah  says:

And please, stop writing in passive sentences - it belittles the writing profession. 

Mar 9, 2007 7:17 PM Guest Stephen Jones  says:

I&#39;ve also been using Linux as my primary desktop for a number of years now, and I do believe that in many regards it is ready for the desktop.  But no, not for everyone.  My parents have a hard enough time with something &quot;easy&quot; like windows...  It comes down to what your comfort zone is, really...  nothing is that simple out of the box, for a first time user. Yes, the majority of Distros, the no-cost ones (notice the lack of &quot;free&quot; statement) do keep you from using proprietary stuff such as DVDs and MP3s and the likes, however, my purchased copy of Suse had them upon install and worked without much more issue then getting it all setup in windows on the first time out.  Other providers (Mandriva, RedHat, Linspire) also offer such addons in their pay-for versions and they also work every bit as well as more notably &quot;closed&quot; systems. The beauty of the &quot;free&quot; software bit comes from two points: 1) the ability for anyone who wants to to be able to see and change the code and 2) the longevity of specific projects because of that openness.  Imagine if you would, if Microsoft all of a sudden decided to stop supporting Visio file formats and software...  It&#39;s not the fact that it&#39;s &quot;Free&quot; as in &quot;No Cost&quot; but the English language, and the Western psyche holds little initial distinction in that word.  I use Linux, I buy software, and I contribute to open-source  projects that I find useful.

Mar 9, 2007 7:24 PM Guest jeff smith  says:

He iS UnClear. KinDly Inform us why we Can&#39;t Know Somthing about linux? ROB  

Mar 9, 2007 7:24 PM Guest Bob Robertson  says:

[quote post="9"]Becasue he looks and acts scary.[/quote]

 

Who would expect less from a Microsoft shill? Judging someone based upon their looks.

 

Look, Enderle, since you do seem to be reading these: I have had a Linux "desktop" since before Win95 was shipping.

 

Just because YOU like particular applications that don't run on Linux, has no bearing on whether or not Linux based systems are "ready for the desktop".

 

Because you never ask, first, WHOSE desktop. You assume.

Mar 9, 2007 7:26 PM Guest Timothy  says:

I normally attempt to refrain from posting complaints about other people&#39;s blogs and stick to the positive in my comments, but in cases where a person is as poorly informed as this article reveals it is also important to ensure that people have access to corrections. I will discuss each of your main points in turn and point out where I disagree.  1. Is Linux a Myth?This section is well written and has a valid point. We cannot compare &#39;Linux&#39; to Windows. I&#39;ve never seen Linux compared to Microsoft in a monolithic sense so I&#39;m not sure where you get this from. I also disagree with your impression of the cause - Linux is not an abstract entity to make it somehow harder to beat. Linux users such as myself frequently get annoyed when it is used as an abstract entity for purposes such as Microsoft declaring that there were more &quot;Linux&quot; bugs than Windows ones. I agree with you that it is better to avoid this altogether. 2. Is Linux secure?This section strays well off topic. When people say Linux is more secure they mean in regard to computerised threats. This section is, I&#39;m afraid, a reflection of your fear of the open source community process. You claim that &quot;no effort to validate the collaborators&quot; is made and whip up fear over people using pseudonyms. In the open source community it is true that many contributors to projects go by pseudonyms.It is not the case, however, that you can put malicious code in any mainstream open source project simply because they accept anonymous contributions. All major open source projects (I won&#39;t say all - there will be some idiots out there) have procedures that ensure all code is checked by a trusted member of the project team. All access for trusted contributors is via secure mechanisms (e.g. SSH) and since the code is open, any third party can audit it. If you hear about a government or military group using a project, you can bet it has been audited to a greater extent than is possible with proprietary software.3. Do communes work?This is the worst section of your article with regards to lack of understanding. As an ex-auditor, I can understand that you would be afraid of the unstructured meritocracy of the open source community. What you fail to see is that the lack of centralised decision making has major benefits in promoting innovation. No one entity can dictate the direction of the community. Anybody is free to discuss anything, anonymously if they choose. The open source community creates a process where the most innovative and deserving software rises to the top while the mediocre projects die but still remain useful by providing a source of ideas for projects which can properly implement them in the futureBy the way, the FSF cannot force anybody to adopt the GPLv3. Projects can decide to if they wish, but the FSF do not have the ability to dictate this. 4. Is Linux Pro-Developer, or Pro-You?This section is just crazy. I don&#39;t get it at all. &quot;Employees often are valued based on the cost of what they work with.&quot; - this has nothing to do with the merits of any system and more to do with bad decision making. The value of an employee is in their results (benefits - costs), not what they use to achieve them. If the tools are cheaper to get the same results, the employee is more valuable. &quot;In any case, if we accept (and OSF in particular would not agree to this) that financial success is the primary measure of a successful platform, Linux has done very poorly historically against the alternatives, and both UNIX and mainframes seem to be coming back as a result.&quot;Success is measured by how well you succeed in your goals. Companies like Microsoft aim to achieve higher profits, thus profits are a good indicator of success. The open source community is not primarily targeted at making profits (although there are companies and individuals in it who might have this as their personal goal). Using profit as an indicator of success for an open source project is as a result meaningless. It only takes a little thought.5. Is Linux &quot;Open&quot;? (corrected title)You complain here about not being able to say your opinions about Linux without receiving attacks. There are certainly a bunch of idiots who do not need reasons to attack and open source projects seem to attract those sorts of people for some reason. These people do not represent &quot;Linux&quot; in any sense - people in the open source community represent only themselves (or their pseudonymous identities) and the projects they manage.Open source software is free in the sense defined by the OSI. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech in the first place and as it happens the open source community is very encouraging of discussion. You have a right to post what you want on this blog, but others also have a right to post what they think about it. This is open discussion, even if some members happen to be idiots. To sum up, I believe your article is based on a lack of understanding of the principles.of the open source community. You have some valid points, but in general are extremely poorly qualified to comment on open source development. May I suggest that you may get a better response from the community in the future if you cut out the scaremongering and instead look at how each option actually gets the job done?Section one reads like a conspiracy theory, section two spreads fear about the &#39;unknown&#39; sources of free software code, section three spreads fear about open unregulated communities, section four simply trashes the successes of the open source community, and section five uses the word &#39;open&#39; in a completely different sense to talk about your fear of being attacked instead of the actual impact of open code. It&#39;s no wonder yor blog is a magnet for zealots!

Mar 9, 2007 7:27 PM Guest jeff smith  says:

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Mar 9, 2007 7:27 PM Guest Mark Jenkins  says:

Your &quot;Do communes work&quot; point is a tragedy of the commons argument. The problem with it is that you fail to address what free software advocates often point out, that this commune has a fundamentally different property: Software development has a cost, software support has a cost, but software distribution has almost no cost.Most of the contributions to free software are made by individuals, organizations and businesses that realize an immediate benefit from the improvement they have made. Changes aren&#39;t made in the blind hope that the community will be thankful and pay for it later. The cost of the improvements and the benefit provided to the whoever is funding or doing the development balance out. That the rest of the world copies it without remunerating the developer after that is not a problem.

Mar 9, 2007 7:30 PM Guest jeff smith  says:

rob? i love you you are smart man

Mar 9, 2007 7:32 PM Guest jeff smith2  says:

serios rob, you do look gay in yur pictur. wanna meat me. i said meat wink wink

Mar 9, 2007 7:44 PM Guest pinroot  says:

[quote comment="144"]Wow.   And we are back to personal attack.  I guess I hit a chord.   What is funny is how often Linux fans use the "paid by Microsoft" thing.  You'll note he doesn't address a single point he just sidesteps the whole thing and calls me names.   Now that's adult, kind of makes several of my points in one post though doesn't it?   Thanks for that.[]

It is also nice to know I have a couple of fans, if you can remember who chased you around please let me know, I'd like to send some flowers. [/quote]

 

This is my favorite thing about Rob... Anyone who gets fed up with his blatant one-sided BS and vents is immediately accused of attacking him personally. Rob loves being the victim, especially when he's the 'victim' of 'linux zealots', and he loves to point it out (because otherwise, people might not notice). Poor Rob... Martyr for Microsoft.  His own website says that one of his clients is Microsoft, but don't point it out, and don't try to insuate that being paid by them would affect his objectivity. That would be a personal attack.

 

Rob is the kind of person that I really feel sorry for. If he didn't crave the attention so badly, he probably wouldn't write crap that he knows is going to piss off people who actually know how wrong he is. And his business must not be that great; if it was, he could afford to hire an editor or proof-reader and quit posting stuff that (grammatically speaking) even a 6th grader would be ashamed of.

 

And for the record (if you've made it this far Rob), I use both Linux and Windows, at home and at work. So don't try to pass this off as another attack by another Linux zealot. It's just an objective observation.

Mar 9, 2007 7:50 PM Guest 0xdeadbeef  says:

Hi,

 

I think to make this discussion - which I agree is a good one, even if it in parts will only serve to root out misunderstandings - worthwhile, we have to use accurate terminology. Most of the points you raise here are not, in fact, closely related to Linux itself. I'll go through the points in order:

 

1. Is Linux a myth?

 

No, Linux is not a myth. It does exist, therefore it is not a myth. However, Linux is not what many people, apparently including you, believe it to be. Linux itself is only the operating system kernel.

 

The shell, the tools, the GUI - all those are not Linux itself. They do not even depend on Linux, and neither does Linux depend on them - the vast majority of common Linux tools can be run on other kernels, such as Hurd, or BSD kernels, and in theory, one can use a completely different set of tools on top of Linux - although I'm not sure if that has ever been done. This is very important to understand, for reasons I will explain in the appropriate place. (That will be point 2, for the most part)

 

This, of course, means that a lot of often-made comparisons and hard-fought holy wars are, in essence, completely meaningless. It doesn't make sense to compare Linux to Windows, because they are different - not completely different, but remarkably different nonetheless - things. And that leads us to

 

2. Is Linux secure?

 

The question, asked in this manner, is meaningless as well. Security is relative, so we need a scale to measure against. The most often ill-used scale here would be Windows, because, as I said above, Linux and Windows are different things. A sensible question would be "Is Linux more secure than the NT kernel?", and even then we would need version information to get an accurate result. However, that question is, in principle, answerable, and the Windows kernel does indeed inherit a large number of design flaws and ugly compatibility hacks that Linux does not, such as the close intermingling between userspace programs such as the GUI or Office and kernel, or dirty compatibility hacks to keep old DOS software that relies on ancient technology flaws (such as Gate-A20), that make it more susceptible for privilege escalation attacks. But I digress.

 

So, for one thing, we need a scale to measure against, but that alone doesn't make a good question. The second thing we need is a scope as to what kind of security we want to measure. Asking "Is Linux secure in terms of guarding against a phishing attack?" does not make any sense, because it is not the kernel's task to do so. It would make sense if we ask not about Linux itself, but about a specific Linux distribution, such as SuSE, Red Hat, Debian, or any of the gazillion others in existence. And the answers will be vastly different for each of those, and for the user in question. For the technically adept user, it is rather simple to set up a system so that it filters mail through one or more virus scanners, but for John Average, it may, depending on the distribution in question, be difficult. It should also be noted that not all distributions out there aim for a John Average kind of user base, such as Linux from Scratch.

 

And, there is, of coure, no replacement for common sense. Technology can not relieve all of your security worries.

 

3. Do communes work?

 

Or rather, "Does the Free Software Community work as a commune?" It does, most certainly, not. It was never intended to work as such. The basis of how things started and what the original idea behind it was is, to an extent, covered in "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Eric S. Raymond, and I believe it to be a good read for everyone who aims to write or discuss about Free Software in general. (You should read that now, or the rest of my comment will not make much sense)

 

Now, the community has evolved since then, and now includes a great number of non-developers, who still found things in the software that didn't suit their needs, and had to rely on others to "fix" them. As a result, things became more organized, and especially in large projects, also more bureaucratic, that much is true. However, it is up to the individual user, or in reality often to the distributor, to pick the software most suitable for his needs, and so projects that deteriorated into unmaintainable messes can be, and are, forked and pursued in a different manner. A prominent example of that would be XFree86/Xorg, and most distributions do not even include a plain Linux kernel, but an offshoot that includes any number of patches.

 

As for the license thing, the GPL, while the most prominent, is not the only license out there. And I do not really see how even the GPL is business-unfriendly. Of course, compared to the BSD or Boost licenses, that in essence give the code into public domain, the GPL is more restrictive, but it is still less restrictive than any closed-source license that I am aware of, and nobody has ever called those business-unfriendly. Giving something away for free is not, in any way or form, business-unfriendly. Sun with StarOffice, AOL with Netscape, even Microsoft with the FreeBSD IP stack make money from Free Software, and many companies are happy to be able to use software without having to pay for it. Also, there are now many companies who make money from Free Software by selling, consulting or system administration.

 

Moreover, it will not, contrary to your claims, impact all who use Linux. From what I can spot, it will affect those who use programs whose developer's they sue on patent claims, but if you think a program is illegal, then honestly, why do you use it? And it will affect developers, but the developers can always choose to pick another license, or write up one of their own. The motive repeats itself - pick what you want, or make something yourself if you don't find anything to suit your needs.

 

That, of course, is different from a commune, but the community never was a commune, nor is it likely to become one.

 

4. Is Linux Pro-Developer, or Pro-You?

 

This is the most simple to answer - Linux is Pro-Who-Wants-To-Use-It. It is, of course, not Pro-Those-Who-Do-Not-Know-What-To-Make-Of-It, but then, we do not abolish cars just because it has a negative impact on horse breeding.

 

5. Is Linux open?

 

Linux is open, human minds are not. That is a sad revelation, but one we have to live with - it is a thing you will find in virtually all large groups of humans, be it religious, political, or any other. Wherever opinions are involved, you will find ridicule, and...more extreme measures. Unfortunate as it is, there will always be zealots.

 

However, with the increasing market share and the failure of the more aggressive attempts on Linux and Free Software in general (such as the SCO trial and Microsoft's attempt to outlaw the GPL), that seems to have gotten better. Maybe FS zealots don't feel pressed into a corner anymore, and thus have no need to be so aggressive, though that is all speculation.

 

Oh, and Linux is very ready for the desktop, I have been using it on several desktops for quite a while now. It is, however, different from Windows, which makes it a matter of taste and being-used-to. The same way you will find a Linux desktop hard to use, you will find me hitting my head on the table each time I have to find a Windows machine, because all the basic usability features I know - such as virtual desktops - don't exist.

Mar 9, 2007 8:04 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Nice post, very well argued.   You sure you don't use BSD?  

Mar 9, 2007 8:05 PM Guest mashby  says:

Communes are disfunction and yes, the few do the work of the many is a problem. BUT missing from this arguement is the fact that working for a large US corporation is the same problem. A few people write the code, and they have managers and more managers and more managers who really do nothing but they make far more money. So I have a real problem with using Linux as a commune model as an arguement in favor of corporate development. Not because its not true (it may not be true) but because the closed source environments are not much better.

Mar 9, 2007 8:06 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

If you look at what happened to Vista it is hard to disagree.

Mar 9, 2007 8:11 PM Guest Kris Poe  says:

Rob, I just wanted to add a few very important points. You mention that linux puts out very little cash. In my line of work, if it weren&#39;t for linux, I wouldn&#39;t be able to do the jobs that I am doing. The overhead cost of using it is very little, i.e. I only pay for hardware. You could say, I would not be making any cash without linux. If I were to use Microsoft or Apple products, my overhead would rise, therefore, i would not be generating any profit.Also, the distro I&#39;m using, Ubuntu, which you did not mention above, is already very PnP. In fact, if anything, it is more PnP for me than Windows ever was. I have an easier time finding drivers for Ubuntu than I do for Windows.If you want to talk about linux as an OS (which it isn&#39;t - it&#39;s a kernel), then you should talk about linux as an OS and not a philosophy. By the way, people do talk about Apple vs. Linux. You are obviously not around for those discussions. Also, it&#39;s kind of hard to talk about Apple vs. Linux, because the Apple the company, derives a lot from using technology with linux kernels. Linux developers also use Apple products from time to time to come up with new technologies. When apple developers utilize linux technology, they would say it. Unlike how linux ideas are &#39;adapted&#39; at Microsoft :) Your blog has a caption, &quot;The real truth about IT and technology&quot;. In your world it seems the truth is also selective. Your caption should say, &quot;The real truth about IT and technology, according to Rob&quot;. that caption better suits you because you obviously need clarification on a lot of things.To sum it all up, Rob, one can talk about any aspect of linux. You just talk about it with linux fanatics, whom I might add, are no better than Microsoft fanatics. Cheers...

Mar 9, 2007 8:13 PM Guest Tony Kimball  says:

quote comment=&quot;26&quot;When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program, ... I'll consider changing. [/quote] Linux has done these things for a very long time.  Perhaps the systems you tried were not configured correctly. 

Mar 9, 2007 8:18 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Responding to Kris:

 

You know I wonder how much Linux tech Apple does borrow?  The iPhone has a lot of tech that exists in embedded Linux but not in UNIX or BSD.  Kind of makes you wonder where they got it...

 

My point on the cash though goes to Novell and Red Hat profits, or the lack thereof and the fact I know Dell can't do a desktop PC with Linux that has enough margin to make it worth their while.  They are kind of pissed at Microsoft right now and would if they could.�

Mar 9, 2007 8:32 PM Guest Jen L  says:

I have read a significant number of comments to this article and they certainly prove the author&#39;s point. The word &quot;open&quot; existed long before Linux and redefining it does not invalidate its previous meaning. Specifically, if he is stating that the openness does not apply to criticizing something, he is explicitly not talking about &quot;open&quot; referring to people being able to view the code. Just because your programming has a context-switching bug doesn&#39;t mean he is wrong. (Plus, accusing a writer of using an incorrect definition while implementing the grammar error of bad parallelism doesn&#39;t hold much water.)  Zealotry, whether religious or not, is blind. Bullying and zealotry do not further an argument, and that is exactly what some commenters to this article engage in. Many of them employ a logical flaw called the personal attack (and the bandwagon, and gross generalization, and so on). Just because you disagree with someone does not make it a correct argument to insult them and their work. (Pointing out a logical flaw based on standard logical argument terminology is not an insult, but a statement of fact.) If the writer&#39;s article is about people trying to bully him into shutting up, trying to bully him into taking it back is frankly hilarious.If you have a point to make, make it based on facts, not insults. The comments attached to this blog entry (a source known to be PERSONAL OPINION) have given the author more credibility because the article correctly predicts what the comments will be, and that is, in itself, good analysis.

Mar 9, 2007 8:40 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Very nicely said Jen, what many don’t seem to realize, but you grasped right away, is that to make a point like this my words carry little value.  It is the breadth of commentary that follows that make the point strong enough so it can survive challenge.   Nicely argued. 

Mar 9, 2007 8:47 PM Guest Raphael  says:

Rob,it has been pointed out by quite some people now (sorry, no time for reading all of the comments) but I&#39;d like to reform it into a question:Would you be willing to try out a recent flavor of a Linux distribution (SuSE, Ubuntu, Fedora have been named as examples) for, say, a month and then write a follow-up to this article?  I think you&#39;ve got a couple of very good and valid points in there (this is coming from an 8-year-Linux-user) but I&#39;d be interested to see if you&#39;d write differently about it after having seen for yourself one of the end products people are using nowadays.This certainly has a technical aspect, but also a political one: companies like Canonical (who produce Ubuntu) are pretty disconnected (or at least, it&#39;s what most Ubuntu users will think) from the childish yadda-yadda the FSF is endulging itself in.Best regards,Raphael J. Schmid 

Mar 9, 2007 8:51 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Here is my problem.  The hardware I use typically is really current.   I get it right when it launches, sometimes before it hits the market.   It gets Windows drivers because it has to have them to ship but if Linux drivers ever show up they typically don&#39;t until after I&#39;ve retired the hardware.  The older boxes I have are currently used for game testing and I can&#39;t use Linux for that.   But, if we can find a piece of hardware that will take a Linux load and won&#39;t require hours of work to get it up, sure I&#39;d be happy to give it a shot.  

Mar 9, 2007 8:54 PM Guest Christopher  says:

That was a long article to not say much other than some rather obvious statements. Is Linux a Myth? I just never hear anyone wonder things like this. It is pretty clear what Linux and open source is in general. The exciting conclusion: Linux is a product, but it isn’t for everything or everyone, so evaluate it like you do other things. Wow ... enlightenting. Is Linux Secure? It's different than Windows -- irrelevant. He doesn't like the people at Grocklaw -- irrelevant. There is a potential threat of someone inserting evil code somewhere -- possible, but the many layers of code review and other measures used are ignored. All OSs are insecure -- irrelevant. Do Communes Work? Well I don't know and neither do almost all open source developers, because no more of them live in communes that developers who write proprietary software. I think what he means to ask is whether volunteer teams work? Or whether meritocracies work? Or whether companies and individuals freely contributing to infrastructure that benefits them works? Again, I really don't hear anyone talking about communes, but maybe he is looking for a little free love?Is Linux Pro-Developer, or Pro-You? I guess not many companies make money with OSs -- there's big news! Is that a point that needs to be made? A minuscule number of companies make OSs and they often make their money elsewhere, duh. Then some comments about outsourcing and mechanics  -- irrelevant. And of course he ignores the giant secondary impact. Not about the tiny fraction of companies that sell software, but to the vast majority of companies that use software and now have more options, customization and reduced costs. The net result is more software development that ever. Is Linux is “Open”? First is the irrelevant person issues. He makes his money as a pundit, but does like reaction he gets. I accept that threats have no place, but we only have allegations and there are always other professions. He seems to continue to be gainfully employed. The usual irrelevant platitudes like "No product is perfect for everything." A good example of why indemnification is a bad idea. And finally the insinuation about "When only one side is heard" Yet he and Microsoft and the others he mentions all keep "communicating" their messages loud and clear. Wrapping Up: Something about Apple, something about Ballmer and Stallman,  a jab as the FSF, and finally &quot;Ask questions, get answers.&quot; Now I see ... those are the words of people beholden to companies for their software. He needs to learn the new mantra, &quot;Think of solutions, build them.&quot;

Mar 9, 2007 9:13 PM Guest Rob  says:

| Opinions are like assholes; everyone has one. Thanks for |  sharing yours.&quot;Rob - I had to stop when I reached this last comment, which seemed to prove everything you wrote. I&#39;m going to make a blanket statement that most of the people on the thread are working with their own preferred OS&#39;s and cannot stand back from their religions long enough to be objective.How some people can be so obnoxious is beyond me, but then again, there are people in this world who would murder a innocent child in the name of &quot;religion.&quot;  I&#39;m in IT. I work on XP, Vista, Solaris, Ubuntu, Suse, and Mac OSX. They all have a different purpose, and I use them objectively for their strengths. I learned long ago that hate only eats the hater, so by that measure, I fear the future of the Linux community.Great article Rob - keep up the good work, and hire big, mean bodyguards.Linux supporters - get off your butts and figure out how to contribute positively to the movement. Attacking professional writers creates a negative perception in the people you want to reach, making you look like schoolyard bullies. My advice - take the high road, and prove everything you want to prove by polishing the software and changing the game... Good luck and peace to all!

Mar 9, 2007 9:16 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Good luck to you too!   And thanks for the post!

Mar 9, 2007 9:18 PM Guest Anton  says:

[quote comment="26"]... and I can &quot;double click&quot; a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something.When Linux does that I&#39;ll consider changing. [/quote]

 

Linux can do it for a long time. Make sure you have GUI, like KDE 3.5.4 or higher.

 

In general I would like to say: I don't cares what you are all saying about linux.

I like it, I'm using it. I will use it.

Mar 9, 2007 9:23 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

And if anyone says you can&#39;t let me know we&#39;ll sit on them together.   People should be able to use what they want to use on their own PCs.  Whether that is Linux, Windows, or the MacOS.  I don&#39;t think anyone was saying you couldn&#39;t, they were saying they couldn&#39;t. 

Mar 9, 2007 9:35 PM Guest Ichoran  says:

It is important to distinguish between an uproar from passionate fanatics being caused by legitimate, well-reasoned criticism, and an uproar among whomever triggered by poor reasoning and bad information.To put it simply: if you make hostile and poorly reasoned comments, a strong response is no evidence of dirty laundry.  It may just be people who don&#39;t like poor reasoning and hostility directed against something they care about.So let&#39;s examine each of the claims here. Is Linux a myth?  No, Linux exists, so it&#39;s not a myth.  Is it overhyped?  Possiblyhow about some evidence one way or the other?  Is there a mismatch between the perception of &quot;Linux&quot; and the reality of different distributions and the distinction between distribution and kernel?  Almost certainly, but this is why there are standardization efforts, Linux groups, etc.; far from being unspeakable, the evidence is that problem is recognized and addressed.Is Linux secure?  The arguments about having insiders inserting loopholes is fairbut it&#39;s not really any easier to do this in the Linux kernel than in a commercial OS which is not specifically built to be security hardened.  One could argue that the Linux model is more review-prone than corporate development, since if team A commits something to the kernel (and it is accepted, which is roughly equivalent to an internal review if one is in place), then team B who is working in the same area has to read and understand the code so they can submit their patch.  This is equally true in commercial development, except that in a corporate setting it makes more sense to have team A do all work in one area while team B does it in another so they don&#39;t need to closely review each other&#39;s code.  This gives the corporate environment an advantage in potential productivity (if they can get their interfaces right) but at the expense of redundancy.  Anyway, given that there are arguments on both sides, again, what is needed is appropriate evidence.  This is really hard to collect since it is hard to identify what the corresponding setups are.  Windows has many more capabilities than the Linux kernel alone, but vastly fewer than standard distributions.  If you can treat this problem carefully, looking at data and acknowledging difficulties with analysis, let&#39;s see how much screaming there is.I will grant that there is a lot of hype around open source models.  But there is lots of evidence that communities do work in some situations (e.g. take the comparisons between Wikipedia and standard encyclopediasthe error rates usually come out similar; Apache and the Linux kernel have produced very good technology; and so on).  In others they don&#39;t.  If you discuss the two situations and show where open source is systematically not working, let&#39;s see how much fuss there is.With regard to point 4, are you really claiming that you tracked the employment status of &quot;over a thousand&quot; people, and know that more than half (&quot;a majority&quot;) were laid off, or had a statistically representative sample from which to compare?  This claim stretches credibility.  If this is truewhile the same is not true of non-open-source developersthen it is important information.  Since this is just about the only really substantive claim made in this section, and it seems likely to either be wrong or taking from an extremely misleading sample, I&#39;m not sure what to do with the rest.And with respect to the fifth point, why don&#39;t you try to have a well-researched, well-supported discussion and see if that is allowed?Perhaps you mean that unclear thinking, data-free opinions, and hostility is not allowed.  Right on, I say!  If anything, society in general gives too much weight to people&#39;s opinions.  Say something of quality, something worth sayingif the community can&#39;t stand that, then you have a real gripe.

Mar 9, 2007 9:55 PM Guest Daniel Axelrod  says:

I&#39;m going to ignore your factual errors for a secondIt is a shame that you believe you&#39;re somehow being silenced due to your criticism.Absolute free speech means that you can say whatever you want, and then everyone else can say whatever they want in response. If you want to be able to speak without encountering criticism, you don&#39;t want absolute free speech.

Mar 9, 2007 10:07 PM Guest mikelist  says:

I don&#39;t get this Enderle guy. I&#39;ve been using Linux on the desktop for about eleven years, and except for possible driver non-support (all the devices I ever attached to a Linux box actually worked, and I DON&#39;T have the resources to pick and choose my hardware). I am not a developer, CS or IT guy.  A good point, separating the kernel from the other software, in some ways the GNU legacy is more important than the kernel, and a typical Slackware install will differ from a typical Ubuntu or SuSe install, but all can be trained to act identically, if you want.I&#39;m not impressed with his arguments, and his consistent slant has to make one wonder, why the ferocity? A few disgruntled readers? The mature individual measures his attacks instead of flailing his arms wildly hoping to strike someone who struck him first.Be at peace, Rob. 

Mar 9, 2007 10:12 PM Guest Lancelot  says:

where do u live?live in the dream world? or the real world?someone may have been dreaming for entire lifewhile someone may just have been &#39;living&#39; for entire life actually it&#39;s not a matter of businessit&#39;s a matter of interestget the 0 or use the 0 

Mar 9, 2007 10:20 PM Guest Ichoran  says:

Ahanow Rob has brought up a completely different and completely valid point.  Brand new hardware is sometimes difficult-to-impossible to get working under Linux because many companies get things working for Windows and then spend no effort on Linux (often not even providing specifications that would allow the open source community to develop solutions for free).   This is extremely annoying, and is why I keep a Windows machine around (plus Windows is my gaming platform).  And it can&#39;t be an older version of Windows, either, in many casesit&#39;s all about market share and development effort. But new versions of Windows don&#39;t solve all hardware woes: Windows (pre-Vista; I haven&#39;t tried it yet) has a fit whenever you swap major hardware (e.g. motherboard blows out).  I&#39;m always infuriated by how I have to spend hour after hour after hour to get a (somewhat) functional Windows system after doing a major hardware change.  This involves such joys as finding old drivers by hand in the device section, downloading new ethernet drivers on another computer because networking has died, and so on--and the whole process is completely transparent and painless under Linux in most of the cases I&#39;ve done it.  In my experience, Linux tends to get the core stuff right, while Windows is better with the latest bells and whistles.

Mar 9, 2007 10:25 PM Guest Robert Taylor  says:

Interesting article. I&#39;m a SuSE user for the last decade or so. I used it as a tool in my undergrad because Windows development tools were expensive in my undergrad years. I wrote papers, did code, researched IEEE and ACM databases and connected to other students and my professors with it. I use Windows at work to do work. Operating systems are just that: a tool to do work with. Both work fine and both have their strengths. Knowing both is a good idea in any case. If I was to work in a Linux shop I would be able to adapt. I&#39;ll leave the jihad to the nut cases and get on with what I need to do - make a living in a complex world.

Mar 9, 2007 10:32 PM Guest Harrison  says:

Mr. Enderle, I feel so sorry for you, really, I do.  You're not allowed to talk about Linux, the New York times won't listen to you anymore, and you've got the "Linux Task Force" after you (maybe you should team up with Patric Byrne, the CEO of Overstock.com - He's the victim of a conspiracy masterminded by a "Sith Lord").  On top of all that, you don't seem to understand grammar or spelling.  Boy, I'd hate to be in your position.

This article reads like it was either 1) Written by someone that doesn't really understand the subject or 2) someone who is intentionally trying to spread misinformation.  You can whine about "personal attacks" all you want, but you HAVE been outed as a shill.  Why should ANYONE believe now that your motives/opinions are legitimate?  You can only cry wolf so many times before people stop listening.  Whether or not you agree with Richard Stallman, and the FSF, at least you KNOW that they have an agenda.

Mar 9, 2007 10:36 PM Guest jdou  says:

I would appreciate -&gt;all cites sponsored or hiddenly sponsored making public knowledge of it... 

Mar 9, 2007 10:43 PM Guest Aaron  says:

quote comment=&quot;26&quot;What a breath of fresh air, I like Windows at the moment, granted it has its bugs but it works. It&#39;s easy to use and does most of the grunt work for me. When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something.When Linux does that I'll consider changing. [/quote]  Have you ever tried Linux in the past few years? There are many distributions that, out of the box, will automount your usb-stick, and place an icon on the desktop for you to click on.  And double click a program file? Have you ever heard of a package management system? Many distributions, if you double click on a package you have downloaded, will bring up the install dialog. Or why bother downloading them one at a time? Why not use a decent GUI interface (think Synaptic) to select all the programs and extra stuff that you want to install, and just tell it to go and it will download everything, and install everything for you. Boom. You&#39;re done. Speaking of ease of installation, how many recent applications have you been told, &quot;Sorry, you need to go download .NET 2.0 now.&quot;? Seems to me its much more user friendly if, during the install process, the package management system simply says, &quot;By the way, you need X, Y, Z. Do you want me to download and install those also?&quot;

Mar 9, 2007 10:44 PM Guest me  says:

I hate pseudo-intelligial discussion.  The whole thing is just a big paper tiger.

Mar 9, 2007 11:33 PM Guest SeaGROL  says:

My primary OS is Mandriva 2007. I&#39;m slowly migrating everything I do from Windows XP to Mandriva. Why?  Microsoft&#39;s intentionally created hardware incompatibilities, their silently delivering of a creeping DRM infection through OS patches, all their &#39;phone home&#39; surveillance features, their incompatibility with standards how many ways is their browser broken?, and XP&#39;s &#39;user friendly&#39; features insisting on doing what I don&#39;t want it to do. I&#39;m tired of the &#39;what do you want to do&#39; window popping up every time I connect my camera, even though I&#39;ve told it many times to not ask me and just connect. I&#39;m tired of having to reconfigure my settings after updating Office. I&#39;m tired of riding on the &#39;Upgrade Carousel&#39; and I want off.Linux is a kernel. Windows is an OS. Apple is a religion. All three are entirely different from the other, each has their strengths, weaknesses and stupid problems. True, both Apple and Linux have their &#39;frothing at the mouth zealots&#39;, and &#39;Nobodies ever been fired by buying Microsoft&#39;, but zealots can be partially right, and you can still buy the wrong tool.  

Mar 9, 2007 11:34 PM Guest Brett  says:

quote comment=&quot;75&quot;You really should make this a series - there&#39;s that much information that could be covered. I&#39;ve been using Linux on the server in commercial applications since 1996.  I&#39;ve attempted to use it on the desktop repeatedly since then, but it always falls way short.  Consider wireless networking, X, odd devices.  I have a Dell Latitude D620.  It&#39;s almost a year old, but no distribution can get the widescreen display working out of the box.  I have to download 915resolution and set that to run in rc.local and do a bunch of tinkering in xorg.conf.  Are you kidding me??  And the wireless - yeah, right - 10 years ago I didn&#39;t mind compiling a bunch of code scattered on various sites to get something working.  Even then, I still can&#39;t get wireless working - what a joke!  And forget the limited number of other peripherals I have for this!  Linux on the desktop is a joke - and that&#39;s coming from an ardent Linux supporter and contributor to Linux and, more specifically, GNOME applications. Go for a series- you&#39;ll have plenty of material if you look around.[/quote]I have to disagree with you. I installed openSuSe on my Dell d820 and everything worked as soon as the install was complete, wide screen display, wireless card, etc. Linux may not be for everyone but no OS is.   

Mar 9, 2007 11:39 PM Guest Tim McCormack  says:

Your 5 questions are excellent, but I found your discussion of each to be sorely lacking in relevance. Example: &quot;Is Linux secure?&quot; is followed by a discussion of how no OS is perfectly secure. Not the point! I was hoping for a comparative analysis, not an abstract lecture on social engineering.

Mar 9, 2007 11:40 PM Guest Mauricio Roman  says:

My my, the suits sure are being cheap nowadays, otherwise they might have managed to get someone smart to write this sort of entertainment.

 

Thank you Robbie, you are doing us quite a big favor, as ANYONE with an above room temperature IQ (whether tech savvy or not) can see right through your "writing".

 

Try harder next time Robbie, you might even come up with something worth debating.

Mar 9, 2007 11:49 PM Guest Glen Turner  says:

I don&#39;t find the article convincing. It argues from a philsophical viewpoint rather than from experience. But the premise is interesting.Here is my four:1. Mere mortal you can&#39;t get bugs fixed.You have a bug, you report it. Code talks so you send a fix. But you&#39;re not a regular kernel developer so your fix never gets picked up.2. Linux still needs propietary software to work well.Flash, fonts, ...3. Recent hardware is not fully supported.Pick any recent laptop from a mainstream supplier. On none of them will Linux support all the devices in the laptop.  I&#39;m writing this on a Intel MacBook Pro: the wireless doesn&#39;t work (see 2, you need to use a MacOS binary driver), the Bluetooth keyboard doesn&#39;t work (it misses the first letter typed after a short delay), the screen needs a binary driver to work well.Even on my previous laptop, a four year old Dell D600, not all of the devices are supported. There&#39;s code existing for the smartcard reader but it has never been integrated into the kernel (see 1). 4.Support isn&#39;t.You want to avoid all of this and pay for support. You buy hardware from the supported list. But still not all devices work.Your kernel locks up, you report a bug. But like the worst sort of insurance, the support is for listed items only, not the corporate application the server was purchased for in the first place. A kernel locking up is a bug, but until it effects something on the list of supported software services you&#39;ll never get past the first teir of the call center.  For all of this the list price of support is more than the already-outrageous list price of Cisco support, and that includes hardware!  End list But for all of these flaws, Linux is still the operating system I return to (and I&#39;ve used MVS, VMS, about five UNIXen, MacOS, Windows 2 - Vista). Startlingly, I recently tried out MacOS X alongside GNOME on my new MacBook and in many areas GNOME was better to use. Once you find yourself running The Gimp, Firefox and Thunderbird under MacOS you know you are just trying to emulate Linux on the Mac (just like when we used to install all of those GNU tools on our SunOS machines). And cheaper. Everytime I wanted to something Apple had not thought of, someone wanted US$25. That adds up to a few hundred dollars quickly.I&#39;ve noticed the same thing with Windows too. Which makes me think that Microsoft&#39;s A$75 offer of Vista+Office for Australian uni students is not as cheap as it first appears. 

Mar 10, 2007 12:08 AM Guest MB  says:

Try a recent distribution like FC3 to FC6 and you&#39;ll realize that you are ignorant and uninformed.   My new Dell XPS410 works better under FC6 than it does under XP, where the DVD writer doesn&#39;t work properly and the OS crashed when I tried to format a USB hard drive. Where I work we have mostly XP laptops, and I see XP in action all the time.  Like this morning, a colleague&#39;s XP laptop just decided to reboot itself when she plugged it into the projector.  I&#39;m constantly shaking my head at these hapless XP users and thinking, &quot;You paid for that software!?&quot;  XP simply is not as good as FC6, particularly when you account for the fact that the software I run on FC6 is free, so I can have it on every computer I use at no extra cost. Now microsoft is trying to sell us Vista, an OS with dubious benefits that requires ridiculous computing power to run. I switched my wife&#39;s laptop from XP to FC6, and now she doesn&#39;t complain about how slow it is anymore.  Microsoft is going the wrong way.  If I buy a more capable computer, I want that power to go into my applications, not the OS!Meanwhile, at work I use linux on 100 to 1000-processor clusters.  Using the same OS and software from my laptop to a supercomputer is an incredible benefit.  Microsoft is again way behind. Basically, my day-to-day experience with Linux tells me that you are just plain ignorant about linux.  That&#39;s not a religion.  It&#39;s reality from someone who crunches pixels at home and numbers at work on Linux. Go by a book on Linux and learn something before you write anything else and embarrass yourself.  Maybe someone has written &quot;Linux for Absolute Dummies&quot; with you in mind.

Mar 10, 2007 12:10 AM Guest Nukem  says:

Boy you are naive.  I suppose you&#39;ve never heard of an &quot;easter egg&quot; embedded in proprietary software..  Microsoft code is full of them.  A set of key strokes is all that is required to activate them.  What&#39;s to say there aren&#39;t viscous &quot;easter eggs&quot; (hacks) in the code that allow supposed honest programmers to phish personal information out of corporate machines.  Whose able to look at the source to verify that there is no malicious code embedded??  No sir, you&#39;re out to lunch blaming Open Source for problems of the IT world.  Open Source is much more verifiable than closed source proprietary code.  Wake up and smell the roses.  You can&#39;t be that ignorant.  You must be desperate for a story.  No body that is the slightest bit enlightened can take you serious. Nukem

Mar 10, 2007 12:17 AM Guest John  says:

This article was complete bullshit. I don&#39;t even like Linux--I&#39;m a BSD guy myself, but the author seems to lack understanding on many of the issues. 

Mar 10, 2007 12:17 AM Guest SwordSaint  says:

&quot;Attacking professional writers creates a negative perception in the people you want to reach, making you look like schoolyard bullies.&quot;The problem with this work is that it attempts to pass itself off as non-biased.  If he were to admit that this is simply an opinion I and possibly others would not find the article so disagreeable.  For instance his first point is that there is not a &quot;linux&quot;, only linux distros. He then  points to a test he participated in of Red Hat versus Windows versus OS X and uses that test as the reason that &quot;linux&quot; falls short on the desktop. The contradiction is so blatant it makes me wonder if the point of it was to start this flame war.  I will leave that for Rob to answer.

Mar 10, 2007 12:24 AM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

It is a blog afterall, so by nature it is opinion.  

Mar 10, 2007 12:30 AM Guest SwordSaint  says:

Brilliant ..... It definitely served it&#39;s purpose then. 

Mar 10, 2007 12:31 AM Guest Steve VanDeBogart  says:

I will make my comments simple.Windows has the best desktop,But, with its abortion of a network stack,it should never be allowed to touch the internet.linux has a weak desktop,but it&#39;s the only thing the should be forward facing the outside.With that thought,I am forced to run two machines.One with windows for the desktop,and one with a linux distro to get my windows box on the wire without getting infected,in twenty minutes or less.just my $.02.

Mar 10, 2007 12:33 AM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

A lot of us use Linux based firewalls for that very reason.  Good thought!

Mar 10, 2007 12:33 AM Guest Stomfi  says:

No publicity is bad publicity, so the saying goes, and Rob Enderle has done more than his fair share over the years in promoting the Linux name to those who wonder what this unheard of thing is all about.If it wasn&#39;t for Bob, many business IT people I know would never have evaluated its features. IT people have degrees so expect to able to decide for themselves.Someone I know in the micro-controller business who was evaluating CE, got his introduction to Linux through an Enderle article, and although he disagreed with Bob&#39;s opinions, thanks his lucky stars that he read enough to try Linux for himself. Many businesses from whom I used to get donations of hardware so that I could refurbish them with a Vector/Ubuntu/SUSE desktop and give away to the digital divide, no longer do so, as they&#39;ve read similar opinions about Linux in CEO/CIO journals by Bob or even Microsoft, and are doing their own Linux desktop refurbishing for their own use, instead of upgrading to XP or Vista.It&#39;s not good for my poor clients, but it&#39;s definately good for business profitability.So I say, good on you Bob, without your efforts in keeping the Linux name before the eyes of CEOs and CIOs, Linux would still be a little known backwater system for geeks and developers.

Mar 10, 2007 12:36 AM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Welcome, my point was always evaluate before you decide.  If Linux is best for you than that&#39;s the choice you should make.  I just want people to think, what they do after that is up to them. 

Mar 10, 2007 1:01 AM Guest George  says:

quote comment=&quot;26&quot; When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program... I'll consider changing. [/quote]  I can only testify to what I&#39;ve experienced - in this case, with Ubuntu 06.06, 64-bit version.When I plug in a memory stick (or my USB hard drive, for that matter), a Nautilus file navigation window appears in a few seconds.  The memory stick is listed on the left as a &quot;device&quot;, along with the CD drive, my home directory, and the filesystem.  Just point and click, my friend. This is very similar to my experience with Windows XP (I haven&#39;t tried Vista).When I plugged in my camera, I got a dialog asking if I wanted to import the pictures. The camera also appeared as a &quot;device&quot; in Nautilus.  In Windows XP, some type of scanning occurs, then I get a list of things the computer can do - including import pictures or browse devices. The experience is very similar.When I double-click a .deb file, the application manager launches and offers to install it. When I double-click a setup.exe on Win XP, I get very similar behavior. Granted, it&#39;s much easier to install applications with Applications -&gt; Add / Remove (just click the little box next to each program you want, and voila). But you&#39;re only asking for equivalent behavior - we can ignore where Linux leads Windows in ease of use (and app install is definitely one of them).I can honestly say that my user experience with this particular distro of Linux is better than my experience with Windows XP.  When I punch print on an application on either OS, paper shoots out of the printer. When I punch the scanner button, a scanned image apears on the screen. When I wander into a wireless hotspot, both provide a list of networks, and connect with equivalent effort.That&#39;s just one person&#39;s experience. Please give it a try. You&#39;ll be surprised at how well Ubuntu does what Windows does - and how many things it does better.[end advertisement ]

Mar 10, 2007 1:07 AM Guest George Loeppky  says:

I&#39;ve got 2 things to say about this article. First, this article is much like what security guys call honey pots.  You are writing this article in a matter designed specifically to draw out zealots. You are pushing buttons to get a reaction to prove their are linux zealots out there.  Same works for any topic you choose to write about as I&#39;m sure you clearly know.  If you pushed buttons about MS, you would have Linux haters here, advocating MS. So to the core of this article I say, whatever... But there is a particular point that I haven&#39;t found anyone talk about yet.  Occasionally, I almost here the argument in the comments, but I figure this time I will put it out there and see if it gets any traction. So the second point is based on an argument that I&#39;ve been looking for someone to make.  That being that linux is an example of the inevitable direction of software.  How many times does one have to pay for the same piece of software?  Once you&#39;ve figured out how to make a solid base of software eventually everybody does it. (How rich do you think the original inventor of the chair would be if could continue making people pay him for the design principles.) It just makes sense.  Eventually, the core components of software have to become free.  It doesn&#39;t make sense to constantly pay for them particularly since there is no manufacturing costs. Adrian was pretty much saying this.  Basically, as the saying goes, you can only skin a cat so many ways.  Open Source software is merely the inevitable direction that software must take.  This is what Microsoft is scared about.  It&#39;s most lucrative business is turning into a commodity and it hasn&#39;t found a replacement to continue to pay it&#39;s many of thousands of employees.  Eventually all popular software will become Open and Free.  After all, when you boil everything off, the copyrights, the intellectual property, the money spent into making/discovering,  it&#39;s really just knowledge.  And eventually someone else comes up with a similar idea.  You can&#39;t hang on to it forever, just because you were there first.  That&#39;s silly, childish even.  Eventually you have to grow-up and share.  What we are seeing is the first signs of  some software finally becoming mature.  There will always be proprietary software out there.  There has to be, new software is rarely popular because it generally doesn&#39;t work well and/or costs a lot because the original developers want to have compensation for the efforts.I&#39;m speaking as a software developer who is definitely feeling the pain of lost cost software.  But despite, it&#39;s still the best way to go.  It&#39;s far more comfortable working in a space that you know is going be around no matter what happens to any one company.  There is always going to be access to the source, and as long as the software is popular it&#39;s going to be supported.Also, quite nice to work in an environment where the answers to your questions are not always surface answers designed specifically to protect the inner workings.  There is no roadblock developing on an Open Source platform.The only real short coming of Open Source software is the lack of hardware support for it.  Hardware manufacturers are still to busy protecting the Intellectual Property and not releasing full specs for their hardware so that Open Source software can make use of it.  But rest assured, eventually this industry will mature as well.  It has too.  That or we will be stuck, in our communist veiled in capitalism world.Unfortunately, my post is nearly at the bottom of a long list of comments, so few people are going to see this one.  But hopefully Mr Enderle will and use his significant media exposure to present this idea in a fashion that many more people can see, than I would manage.  So feel free to take my intellectual post, modify and redistribute to your hearts content.  And you don&#39;t even have to give me credit for it.Kind Regards 

Mar 10, 2007 1:12 AM Guest George Loeppky  says:

Hmmm, I see your edittor doesn&#39;t put line breaks in.  That makes my post unfortunately hard to read.  Had I known it would do that, I would have added them myself.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sorry about that.  And sorry for the poor grammar and spelling mistakes.  I have no excuse.  &lt;hangs head in shame&gt;

Mar 10, 2007 1:52 AM Guest TomatoGuy  says:

A reasonable article, but if you are going to discuss anything, how about proof-reading your discussions for spelling, grammar, and continuity?

Mar 10, 2007 2:11 AM Guest Chris Edwards  says:

This is a nice troll post. I can troll too. Nice mustache, part of the Doctor Phil Mustache Club?

Mar 10, 2007 2:34 AM Guest CommanderJameson  says:

Story is basically designed to get on Slashdot and attract clicks; it&#39;s almost total nonsense.That aside, this website is arse. Is there any particular reason that a website that cannot fill my browser windows needs a horizontal scroll bar? Why can&#39;t I make the text bigger than microscopic? 

Mar 10, 2007 2:46 AM Guest ue  says:

quote comment=&quot;58&quot;Linux needs PnP AND installers ASAP to become a real desktop alternative for mass-production users. Making everyone learn to use RPM is an unrealistic goal, and won&#39;t work, the same way &quot;making everyone learn to use DOS&quot; never worked.[/quote] I never realized that it should be that hard to learn how to double click, as that is what is needed to install an rpm in modern Linux. There are also nice GUI tools to add and remove programs that  sort of doubles as windows update on steroids. [quote]Apple&#39;s showed the way to make *nix palatable: slap a GUI on top, make the OS do the &quot;grunt work&quot; and make it simple to use (forget the &quot;easy&quot;, the normal user will always find general-purpose computers complicated because any general-purpose appliance, like the automobile, is complicated). Google apps, USB drives and a reinterpretation of the thin-client paradigm (a barebones OS that&#39;ll connect fast AND do the processor work locally -- because sending all that data back and forth is slow and expensive) may work in some near future, but in the meantime, we&#39;re stuck with today&#39;s big OSs, and Linux still needs to be polished to really stand up to Win/FreeBSD (aka Apple). And don&#39;t get me started on LDAP versus AD...[/quote]So, you mean it is OK for Apple to use LDAP but not Linux? LDAP servers like Red Hat/Fedora DS comes with nice a GUI. Its not harder  to use than Apple opendirectory, and if you feel that AD is better nothing stops you from using AD for your Linux and Unix boxes. As for thin clients, it isn&#39;t that hard to set up network bootable Linux workstations that use  local swap, or even stores data localy if you like.

Mar 10, 2007 3:02 AM Guest ue  says:

quote comment=&quot;75&quot; I have a Dell Latitude D620.  It&#39;s almost a year old, but no distribution can get the widescreen display working out of the box.  I have to download 915resolution and set that to run in rc.local and do a bunch of tinkering in xorg.conf.  Are you kidding me??  And the wireless - yeah, right - 10 years ago I didn&#39;t mind compiling a bunch of code scattered on various sites to get something working.  Even then, I still can&#39;t get wireless working - what a joke!  And forget the limited number of other peripherals I have for this!  Linux on the desktop is a joke - and that&#39;s coming from an ardent Linux supporter and contributor to Linux and, more specifically, GNOME applications. Go for a series- you&#39;ll have plenty of material if you look around.[/quote] Well, I have had similar problems with Windows and  MacOS-X. They simply refuse to install on my old Sun sparcstation 10, What a joke of an OS!On the other hand both wireless and sleep and suspend works just fine on my Thinkpad running Linux (Fedora or Ubuntu).  My guess is that is because I made sure the hardware was supported before I bought it.

Mar 10, 2007 3:14 AM Guest ue  says:

quote comment=&quot;117&quot;Linux isn&#39;t 100% secure... yes, we agree on that, but in my expirience it has proved to be MUCH more secure than Windows. At least it is auditable, Windows isn&#39;t (or maybe you are allowed to go through Windows source code? :-) [/quote] Nothing is 100% secure. The relevant question is not if Linux is secure, but rater if you want all that security that Linux can offer. When you build a secure system you will also get a system that will be more complicated for the users to use. This is the case regardless what OS you use.  Is the things you try to keep safe worth the extra effort of turning on things like SELinux (the mandatory accesscontrol module  in Linux)

Mar 10, 2007 3:16 AM Guest matt  says:

Speaking of people that exaggerate their skills... Where did you learn to proof read your articles? I&#39;m not saying it because I am a crazy linux supporter but because it&#39;s annoying having to figure out what your sentence was meant to say.   

Mar 10, 2007 3:27 AM Guest Whatever  says:

Good Lord!  Haven't you commenting-fools observed your own wasteful, pointless pattern?  Every time someone says anything remotely negative regarding Linux, the same comment crap comes flying in.

 

"Try a new distro"

 

"Open means anyone can look at the code.  And if you don't understand the code then you are stupid and don't count."

 

"I have an in-depth explanation on how the author is ignorant and mis-guided, and how smart I am because I contribute to the OSS community."

 

It just gets so old.  You are just proving the author's point. 

 

The article brought up common sense points that mean something outside of the expert Linux community.  If you ever want to be taken seriously, you need to meet populus demands.

 

I love Linux.  I run a large mixed network at work.  Any OS is a crapy OS if the person managing it do a crappy job.  The bottom line is the costs balance out independent of OS. 

 

Now please, someone from the Linux purist crowd retort with more nonsense about new distros or how ignorant I must be (thus implying their own superior knowledge).

 

Give it up guys.  Absolutes rarely prove to be true.

Mar 10, 2007 3:32 AM Guest Jim Walsh  says:

It is simply a silly lie to claim that criticizing Linux is more dangerous than criticizing M$. (See his silly claim in the quoted at the end of this post.) The M$ operating system and other software products are bloatware, a virus, for which people pay 10 times too much because of the monopoly power of M$. Linux is ready for the desktop only for the adventurous. (I have used it as my sole desktop for 10 years.)Are their people who make inflated claims for Linux? Yes. So what? Get over it.&quot;If you think a Microsoft product sucks you can say that to great detail without having to be afraid of your job, apparently even if you work for Microsoft (which I kind of find surprising). But if you suggest that Linux isn’t ready for the desktop — which I do often because it isn’t – you’ll have folks coming after your job and, sometimes, suggesting you won’t be long for this world. Some of the mail has been rather nasty (though I do admit it has moderated of late).&quot;

Mar 10, 2007 3:43 AM Guest judecn  says:

Quoting Rob Enderle: Here is my problem.  The hardware I use typically is really current.   I get it right when it launches, sometimes before it hits the market.   It gets Windows drivers because it has to have them to ship but if Linux drivers ever show up they typically don't until after I've retired the hardware.  The older boxes I have are currently used for game testing and I can't use Linux for that.   But, if we can find a piece of hardware that will take a Linux load and won't require hours of work to get it up, sure I'd be happy to give it a shot.  That explains a lot.  The sad fact is, the vast majority of computer users don&#39;t have the luxury of getting hardware the moment it hits retail or before.  Most users have computers built on technology that&#39;s been around for a while;  as such, most Linux distros usually have no problem working on them. I think I speak for all Linux advocates when I recommend that you a) try a modern LiveCD on the new hardware you receive, just to see if it works without erasing Windows,  b) keep a few of your machines a bit longer (a few months) and try them with a Linux distro before you retire them (by then, Linux should have support for them), and c) try several distros, preferably with different lineages (i.e. RedHat-based, Debian-based, Gentoo-based, etc).  In my experience, Debian-based distros work better on consumer hardware than RedHat and Gentoo distros, but your experience may differ. Most Linux advocates, as I understand it, perceive Vista as a flop because penny-pinching businesses want to avoid expensive hardware upgrades for as long as possible (Vista requires relatively new hardware), and Linux OS&#39;s support &quot;mature&quot; hardware well enough that a Vista upgrade can be put off for several more years.  Testing Linux on older hardware (i.e. older than 6 months) may be a more accurate reflection of how &quot;ready&quot; Linux OS&#39;s are for the desktop, because those machines probably account for over 99% of machines in use.

Mar 10, 2007 3:57 AM Guest Lars Björk  says:

If this where slashdot I'd mod you +1 troll or +1 flamebait because that's exactly what this "article" is.

Mar 10, 2007 4:58 AM Guest Haggar  says:

What a ton of crap!   Rob, I have seen your rants before but here you have outdone yourself.  

Mar 10, 2007 5:02 AM Guest Nick  says:

"Once you find yourself running The Gimp, Firefox and Thunderbird under MacOS you know you are just trying to emulate Linux on the Mac."

 

Huh? Why on Earth would I want to do that?

 

That's like saying I could take a bucket of paint and emulate a Velasquez to look like a Jackson Pollock, or like saying I could take a big fat marker pen and emulate Shakespeare to read like a children's book.

 

Really, Mac OS X has its drawbacksnot least Apple's somewhat desultory attitude towards securitybut its desktop environment is so far ahead of everyone else there's just no comparison.

 

Someone who can write something like that poster did must, if he's not disseminating, be completely insensitive to the nature and virtues of what he's using and what he can do with it.

 

As it happens, although I prefer OS X for desktop use, I'm using a Linux box at this very moment and posting this from Konqueror 3.5.5 (as Rob should be able to check from the headers if he gets them, and he's bothered) but I'm not going to pretend "Linux" is better in areas where it's not.

 

The best thing in the article was the crack about Ballmer and Stallman. That was really quite funny. Sometimes it's our own who damage us most. I think Microsoft must lose credibility every time Ballmer makes one of his noisy gaffes on TV.

Mar 10, 2007 6:00 AM Guest Wes J  says:

After reading this article, I felt my IQ lower 40 points. I am a tech, geek, (former) hacker. I know over 7 distros. I know Windows since version 3.0. DOS prior to that, CPM prior to that. It&#39;s safe to say, I&#39;ve been around the block on computers. The only thing that really rubs me wrong is people that write articles like this claiming they have a clue about what they speak of. I can make even Vista crash just as easy as I can make my Linux box crash. The bottom line is that an OS is just like the hardware you get to make a computer system. It&#39;s all about the tasks you have planned for the outcome. All Windows OS&#39;s are great and wonderful, providing you don&#39;t over install apps. People have this insane idea that Windows can handle 200 apps at one time. Linux can be just as bad. When I build a Windows box, it&#39;s for 1 maybe up to 5 tasks (apps). The same for Linux. However, running a distro without GUI, you can run many more apps/server apps, than Windows any day of the week.Is Linux more secure? Yes and no. If a hole is found in Linux, it&#39;s patched pretty much then and there. for windows, well, lets just say it takes a month sometimes to get the patch through.Is Linux going to take over the world? No. Although there are many distros to play with, the downfall is the lack of GAME support. The APPS support is pretty much there. I can do near everything a Windows box can do in my Linux box now. Open Office for all the &quot;MS OFFICE&quot; needs. Firefox, Thunderbird, The Gimp, Apache, MySQL, the list keeps going. The cost is far better than M$ ever would have for what I do.Has M$ stolen anything from linux? Well, what has MS NOT stolen from anyone? IBM? APPLE? XEROX? YOU? ME? There was a time when MS was innovative. That time has long past. All MS does now is incorporate the &quot;features&quot; in other OS&#39;s and call it their own. Lets face it... VISTA vs OS X. It doesn&#39;t take a rocket scientist to see the &quot;feature&quot; resemblance. I guess my thoughts on this differ from everyone else, but hey... That&#39;s what makes me different. My preference is any distro of Linux. Why pay M$ prices when you can get the same thing for free or reduced price from other developers that are seeing the light.  

Mar 10, 2007 6:01 AM Guest JCBrand  says:

What a complete load of crap. You&#39;re attempt at portraying linux as insecure since someone can &#39;inflitrate&#39; the community and find backdoors is such a stretch of the imagination that it&#39;s impossible for me to even consider that you are at least trying to be impartial. There are a lot of criticisms that one can give linux, but from all the blogs and anti-linux crap that I&#39;ve read, this is by far the worst article ever. Congratulations, you can spin useless, swiss cheese FUD like the best of them.

Mar 10, 2007 6:27 AM Guest Frank Daley  says:

Dear Mr Enderle,You need to learn the lesson of Don Quixote[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote ]   

Mar 10, 2007 6:42 AM Guest Doc  says:

I only had to read to &quot;The reason Linux has been abstracted into a concept is so it doesn’t have to compete on merit.&quot; to know that this writer a) has an anti-Linux agenda, b) has not a clue what he&#39;s talking about. This was before I discovered he was an ex-Microsoftie. Hey, I use both Windows and Linux all the time and have no agenda whatever and recognized this for the Microsoft driven anti-competitive crap that it is.

Mar 10, 2007 7:10 AM Guest lol  says:

fucking idiot

Mar 10, 2007 7:30 AM Guest George Danziger  says:

Hey Rob, how much and through what devious means is Microsoft paying you for this article. Another Swiftboat ride to FUDland is what you are selling... along with your soul. 

Mar 10, 2007 7:59 AM Guest Voice of reason  says:

If Mr Enderle wishes to be able to discuss Linux without receiving death threats, perhaps he would like to start by writing intellectually honest articles, articles that rely on evidence rather than innuendo, articles that spread facts rather than FUD?

 

(Yes, FUD; comments along the lines of "I won't say it's bad, but you might like to get your lawyer to check..." can be described no other way.)

 

Oh, and he might also like to invest in a proofreader if he wishes to be taken seriously.  I know eleven-year-olds who would be ashamed to write an essay with that many typos in it.

Mar 10, 2007 8:08 AM Guest Ysangkok  says:

Something can be open without discussion allowed. This is simply because you can download the source code and compile. Nothing more is required.

Mar 10, 2007 8:19 AM Guest Olafur Jon  says:

quote comment=&quot;26&quot;What a breath of fresh air, I like Windows at the moment, granted it has its bugs but it works. It&#39;s easy to use and does most of the grunt work for me. When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something.When Linux does that I'll consider changing. [/quote][quote]When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick /quote  Why does every distribution have to support this?? Why not just choose one that does? (mine does)[quote]and I can &quot;double click&quot; a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something[/quote]on ubuntu:1. Applications-&gt;Add/Remove 2. search for your software3. check it and applyno command line needed. software is automatically added into menus. you dont even have to download the software before you do this. Can it be any easier?  If you want drag&amp;drop it can easily be implemented on top of the current tools.The only thing that makes the Windows way look easier is that people are used to it. When you get all software you need free from menus its easy to get addicted if you try :-)    

Mar 10, 2007 9:31 AM Guest Jon Smirl  says:

Microsoft created Linux through its own actions. During MS&#39;s super predatory days in the nineties they destroyed the standard packaged product software market for everyone except themselves. It is simply Darwin at work, by destroying all of the normal competitor corporations a new model was allowed to grow to a size that it normally would not have achieved. This new model had the special characteristic in that MS could not destroy it. Evolution forced this characteristic to appear since everything that didn&#39;t have this characteristic got killed. If Microsoft hadn&#39;t been so predatory in clearing out all of the small and mid-sized companies Linux would have remained an academic exercise.  Software as a service is a another round of this same evolutionary process. Thousands of software companies are again being created since a new MS-resistant model has been found. The difference this time is that the new model is workable inside a normal corporate structure.

Mar 10, 2007 9:56 AM Guest beaner1111  says:

Hey Rob. Back at getting lots of people typing angry replies I see.  Good job with that part. I just have a few notes though.Even though others have pointed it out...it&#39;s saturday and I have nothing else to do. First off, you seem to confuse Open, as in open for inspection, with open, as in open minded. I&#39;ll completely agree with you that the most ardent Linux supporters are very FAR from being open-minded. But that has nothing to do with open-source. Nothing. Then, as many have said to you before this, Linux is a Kernel. It&#39;s not really an operating system in and of itself. I have to seriously question why you haven&#39;t picket up on that. OpenOffice, XOrg, KDE, Gnome etc etc. All those things are NOT Linux. Granted they are most often distributed along side the Kernel in order to make the package into an operating system. The package itself isn&#39;t Linux. That&#39;s why when it first started, it was called GNU Linux. It was the Linux Kernel, and the GNU toolset that MADE it into an operating system. That may explain why you think it&#39;s &quot;undefinable&quot; and a myth. But then maybe if you understood when people tell you Linux is JUST the Kernel, maybe you could help dispel the misconception instead of adding to it. I thought your job as an analyst would be to help people understand things like that, not add to them. Now, as far as people&#39;s ID&#39;s that add to the code. Why is it so important the we know everything about them? Or that they get lots of money for writing code? I don&#39;t care who wrote a few lines of code here and there, I don&#39;t need to know where they live, who they are, what they like to eat for breakfast. I know that the code goes in a rigorous regime of revue and testing before it&#39;s allowed in the main production Kernel. I don&#39;t need to trust the people who write every line. I only have to trust the people who get final say on it. I trust Linus, and so far he hasn&#39;t let me down. And finally, you ask is Linux secure, and talk about physical access problems. I totally agree with you, and I saw that you did point it out. But any IT person deserving of the title should know that ANY machine is to be considered unsecure, broken, or even suspect if physical access has been compromised. This is true for Mac, Linux Windows, Unix etc etc. ALL Operating systems are very easy to compromise if one gets physical access. Therefore, why bring it up at all? It&#39;s not raising anything for or against. Unless your point is to say &quot;Linux distros are just as susceptible to fall to a physical attack as everyone elses&quot;. Which you don&#39;t specifically say, but is all that could (or at least should) be concluded from your statements.  I just don&#39;t get that one.So all in all, I don&#39;t think you said anything really nasty in this. IMHO, just a few inaccuracies  and omissions. But none the less, I&#39;m sure you&#39;ll have your share of loons frothing at the mouth as usual. I&#39;d say sorry about that even though I don&#39;t speak for the Loons, but then I suspect that you dont mind THAT much...;-)have a nice weekend. 

Mar 10, 2007 9:58 AM Guest Thomas F. Williams  says:

Question: Isn&#39;t Sun trying to &quot;open source&quot; Solaris?   Tom 

Mar 10, 2007 10:03 AM Guest Ramval  says:

The author makes the point that Linux is an abstraction, that we should be talking about distributions. Then he goes to mentions Novel Suse and RetHat. Interestingly, he fails to mention Ubuntu, the most popular distribution nowadays. Some here talk about how difficult it is to install software in Linux. It shows they are ignorant about modern linux distributions. Hum, Lets see in Ubuntu: 1) Click on System, 2) Click on Administration; 3) Click on Synaptic Package Manager (which is a GUI front end for the excellent apt-get terminal mode command). Choose among the thousands of software packages available and categorized by functions). Put a check mark next to the name. 4) Click Apply  ... DONE .. oh and you7 can install all the software packages you want ALL AT ONCE, not one by one. Can Windows match that? in Windows you have to find the website, navigate through all the links, download the package, find where you downloaded it, click to install it (one at a time). Need non-free software in Ubuntu? Download Automatix2. DONE, next months thousands of ADDITIONAl software packages (free and non-free) will be available though the excellent Linspire CNR. one Click .. DONE

Mar 10, 2007 10:32 AM Guest Anonymous  says:

Well, obviously a completely unbiased article by Rob again. However, as usual, many facts are missing. Linux does compete on merit. If you&#39;re discussing Linux on the desktop, it isn&#39;t for everyone. However, you&#39;re article doesn&#39;t approach it that way. It&#39;s all &#39;all or nothing&#39; that you must agree. I&#39;ve been a long time Linux user...and don&#39;t really care what operating system YOU use Rob. It is irrelevant to me. I work in the Security arena of IT and want a flexible, powerful, and secure system; that&#39;s why I do not run Windows. Vista has shown some promising changes, however, it controls the end user more than any other Microsoft product to date. Sorry, when I buy my hardware and software, I like to have full use in MY interest, not what &quot;Big Business&quot; thinks I should be limited to.However, you&#39;re missing some large points. Google and several other research driven organizations (think NASA and science here, not to mention Hollywood who uses Linux in rendering just about every movie these days) use Linux. Mainly because Microsoft products CANNOT compete in the distributed computing arena. But, you&#39;ve conveniently left that off. I think you&#39;ve conveniently left those points off as well. Let&#39;s be honest...IBM has been around for awhile...and the GPL doesn&#39;t seem to scare them away...it&#39;s a win/win situation. You&#39;re just having a hard time because industry is dictating that Microsoft, and every other &#39;dinosaur&#39; vendor that thinks the way they do is now having to change their business model because customers are tired of being held hostage. It should prove interesting when XP reaches end of life...I know I won&#39;t be purchasing Vista...even if RIAA and MPAA did help Microsoft design it :-).

Mar 10, 2007 11:29 AM Guest Linux Rocks  says:

When I installed anetwork card on my computer windows needed many hours of installing and configuring to make it work (the dealer had given me a cd). But in Kubuntu Linux I didn&#39;t need ANY drivers or things like that, I just turned-on my pc and it&#39;s working (This is what I think is the easy way). And when I wanted to install a softwear to edit an image I just open up synaptic search for graphics, and then choose a program like gimp, then install it (easy). But if I wanted to install a graphics editing softwear for windows, I&#39;ll have to goto a CD vendor, then buy the softwear ($$$) and come home, insert the CD, wait for auto run, click next and next (without reading the license), then enter the code in the box (which IS HARD), then wait for several MBs to install.  Think for yourself and choose the easiest one. Mr.Rob Enderle how much did mikrosoft pay you to write this article. 

Mar 10, 2007 11:40 AM Guest dbneeley  says:

Sir,First, a word of advice from one writer to another: get an editor or at least a grammar checker. The rather blatant grammar mistakes are intrusive and needlessly distracting. It really diminishes the impact of a &quot;professional&quot; to be so sloppy.Next, it seems clear you are much out of date on many of these issues. However, perhaps the most senseless &quot;point&quot; you mentioned lies in security. If Linux were so insecure, it would hardly serve as the basis for the high-security version put out by the NSA. In Linux, in fact, most security hardening is simply a matter of adjusting a few text files--and even that is done every day with one of a number of graphical setup tools. 

Mar 10, 2007 12:30 PM Guest Doug Mitchell  says:

&#39; If you think a Microsoft product sucks you can say that to great detail without having to be afraid of your job' Rob EnderleTell that to Dan Geer formerly of stake Inc, who got fired for criticising Windows lack of security.'PJ, the woman who allegedly heads up this legal resource, is currently ducking service from SCO and lord knows what she is covering up', Rob EnderleWhat, if anything does PJ have to do with the internals of the court case. Everything posted on Groklaw is already in the public domain. You allege that you are being harrised for criticising 'Linux', when was the last time your personal privacy was violated, like when Moggie tooks pictures of PJs home and posted sneering references to her family and religion on the web.http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=148847&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&tid=188&mode=nested&cid=12476453'While we were all distracted by the whole Microsoft vs. Linux BS, the real fight wasn’t between Windows and a Linux distribution; it was between Linux and HP-UX, Solaris, and AIX instead', Rob EnderleBy what magical thinking does buying HP-UX mean a loss for Solaris and AIX but not a loss for Windows.'As an analyst I actually had to quit my job to have the same freedom of speech with Linux', Rob EnderleWhat was the company you quit from. Who threatened you if you criticised 'Linux'. Who paid them to harasse you.'Let’s take indemnification .. So where is the coverage? Don’t you think it should be a hot topic right now, so where is the chatter?', Rob EnderleApart from the SCO case, there isn't any. Now Rob, where are the word-for-word copying. All you have to do is take the stand and swear under oath.'"I saw what appeared to be a word-for-word copy of about every third line of code in the central module of the Linux kernel', Rob Enderlehttp://res-ipsa.the-blinding-white-light.com/archives/2003/07/index.html

Mar 10, 2007 12:41 PM Guest Long Time Linux User  says:

I will start with a little information about my background.  I have over 25 years as an IT professional.  I have multiple degrees (BS, BSCHE, MSCS).  I started my career developing realtime data acquisition and control software in the petroleum industry (4 years),  I worked for IBM developing and implementing software for IBM&#39;s proprietary MVS operating system, i.e. Mainframe, environment for 6 years, I worked for Amdahl Corporation as a resident visitor at an AT&amp;T Bell Lab developing UNIX applications using Amdahl&#39;s Mainframe UNIX environment for 4 years, I worked for Sun as a platform systems engineer for 2 years working to implement commercial software services using Sun Solaris operatings systems,  I worked for ESystems for 4 years working with federal agencies to implement high performance software services to handle a lot of things I am not allowed to discuss, I worked with SGI/Cray for 4 years developing and implementing services for data mining and business intelligence, I worked as an independent contractor developing web based applications to provide commercial ecommerse solutions for 5 years, and I have worked for the federal government in software architecture for the last 2+ years.  I have developed / implemented software for MVS, UNIX, MicroSoft, and Linux environments.  Yes, you could say that I have been there and done that as far as software development and implementation.  I have used and been frustrated with Microsoft operating systems and desktop software for more than 15 years.  An example of this frustration goes all the way back to 1992 when I received a standard parallel printer from Amdahl to use in my office at the AT&amp;T Bell lab in Columbus Ohio. One of my first experiences with MicroSoft PC software was installing a standard printer driver provided by MicroSoft for the printer (I can&#39;t remember the type of printer now but believe me it was a standard printer available anywhere) and the installation failed. I read the manual and reinstalled the software multiple times thinking I was doing something wrong or missing something in the manual.  I called MicroSoft support multiple times and they said just follow the instructions in the manual.  I finally gave up after repeating the install more than 15 times.  Six months later I went to a meeting with other Amdahl software engineers to discuss a number of topics related to Amdahl&#39;s customers, both commercial (banking and finance) and telecommunications.  The engineers involved in commercial systems were immersed in IBM&#39;s proprietary MVS/VM (Mainframe) environment while the engineers involved with the telecommunications industry were dealing both with MVS/VM and UNIX environments.  The topic of the printers provided by Amdahl for us to use came up a number of times during the discussions I had with my counterparts and every one of them finally gave up trying to install the software for the printer, just as I did, after trying multiple times and getting the same instructions from MicroSoft support.  The software driver provided by MicroSoft just didn&#39;t work and we had no recourse.  Now the software provided by MicroSoft for PC&#39;s and laptops just works, right?  Well that depends on whether you are using the vanilla software installed by the vendor when you bought the PC / laptop or if you are trying to add a new piece of hardware with the supporting software.  I think if you ask about recent experience of MicroSoft software users with adding new hardware to their PC&#39;s and laptops you will find that users are experiencing the same problems I had 14 years ago.  Even hardware with software that is certified by MicroSoft fails on MicroSoft&#39;s fagship XP operating system.    My take on the information in this article:I decided to write this because this is the 3rd article I have read in the past 3 weeks which the author used an opportunity to criticize Linux with the standard uniformed MicroSoft line.  My first advise to Rob Enderle is to know the subject matter you are writing about before making statements which are either wrong or just limited because of your background and experience.Item One:Is Linux a Myth?I have been using Linux as a development platform since 1994.  It was truly an errector set back in the early days and I wouldn't have recommended it to a typical PC / UNIX user back then.  However, the reason I was using it is the software was implemented to open standards at the time and if I ran into a problem I could fix it, being a software developer, or queue the problem out to the open source software development community and we would fix it through collaboration because we could all see the source software.  I didn't start with Linux though.  I started with MicroSoft Windows and Windows NT for development.  Every time I ran into a software problem, i.e. bug, I found that I was working with a "Blackbox" and again trying to get MicroSoft to fix their bugs was just frustrating and costly.  Waiting far 3 months / 6 months / a year for MicroSoft to fix its software was just too much.  I learned about linux from a fellow developer at ESystems. Installing the software and configuring it the first was a lot of work.  You had to build it from scratch.  But, after it was setup, software development was much easier and if a bug was discovered it was fixed within a week and the process of developing software wasn't impacted.  That was back when the open source software development movement was just starting.  Now if a problem is discovered we usually find that it has already been discovered by the community and fixed or if it new it is fixed within weeks.  Switching my software development work to open source and using the Linux operating system as a base was one of the best decisions I have made in my professional career.  Open source development has also forced MicroSoft to be more responsive to technical problems, bugs, they have in their software.  Open Source and Linux has been good for everyone who does software development or uses software. Now, Mr. Enderle Linux isn't a myth.  It is an operating system based on one of the most successful open source projects to date.  Some other successful long term open source projects are "Bind" and "Sendmail".  "Bind" implements an industry standard protocol called "DNS" which is used as the naming service which drives the whole internet. "Sendmail" implements an industry standard protocol called "SMNP" is the baseline for sending email  any where.  You see we use the services derived by the industry standards every day.  Linux is based on industry standards put in place for operating system services which are quite complex.  Maybe the myth you are referring to are the suite of standards put in place for operating systems and the open source development process used to implement them which Linux represents.   Item Two: Is Linux Secure?This is one of the items I had concerns about when I started developing software using open source software technology.  I thought the chances of rogue agents inserting software into open source code which would compromise the security of the environment(s) might be a problem. I had my reservations about this until I discovered that having the open source community review the source software produced more insight into potential security problems than you could believe. Recommendations on how software had potential security problems and sharing methods which could be used to resolve the problems came from everywhere, Germany, Finland, England, Australia,  Hong Kong, Japan, and the US. I worked in proprietary software environments where the attitude was the user will never know about the software security problems so why fix them.  Then some hacker in New York got into a Telecommunications network and started discovering all of the wholes in the software used to manage services provided to customers and all hell broke loose.  The result was tracking the Hacking back to a 17 year old who cost the telecommunications provider millions and exposed the security issues related to the proprietary "Blackbox" approach to developing / delivering software.  I think the open source development process which involves extensive review of the source code produces software which is more secure and stable.  Just look at the security issues with MS Windows, MS Windows 2000, MS Windows 2000/2003 and MS Explorer (or Exploder as I have come to call it) over the past 5 years.  MS Explorer isn't an operating system but boy does it give a great example of the security issues associated with the "Blackbox" proprietary software development process used to develop MicroSoft products.  This is not saying that software produced using open source development doesn't have security problems.  It is just that the problems are discovered earlier and fixed much quicker that "Blackbox" software.Item Three: Do Communes Work? Simply, yes.  The progress made by open source development communities, such as Linux Kernel development and the Apache Foundation, over the past 15 years is proof positive of it.  Just remember "Bind" implements DNS which is used by everyone every time they use the internet.Item Four:  Is Linux Pro-Developer, or Pro-You?You betcha.  It has forced proprietary software vendors to be more responsive because of the productivity and quality produced by the open source development process.Again, my advise to Mr. Enderle and other MicroSoft pundits is that you are dealing with and audience which is becoming more aware and informed everyday.  So, it will become more difficult to propagate false and misleading information from now on because we are watch and we will respond and educate you along the way.

Mar 10, 2007 2:33 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Boy, some of these posts are amazing. 

 

But they prove my point dont they?  

 

Read through them, how many are personal attacks, how many suggest Microsoft is behind this to derail the discussion, and how many seek to sidetrack the discussion into something that favors Linux?    If the piece was crap why the huge effort to discredit it? 

 

And what was I recommending anyway, to be independent and make decisions after evaluating your options?  Is that so evil?    

 

When people attack others for their ideas and thoughts they attack the very basis for freedom, not free as in free beer, or free as in free to do what you want with software, but free to think and do as you like.  They are being the worst kind of bully, the one that says do what I say or else.  

 

And if you read through these posts youll see that or else implied way too often for comfort.  

 

You can still go back and see the sequence of events that took me down this path.   

 

If the Linux advocates cared, but we know they dont, they would see it was they, not Microsoft, that have me focused on what I think they are covering up.  I simply will not be blackmailed into being quiet.   Its in my nature.  I fundamentally think people should be free to voice their opinions and that IT must be able to make decisions without bias.   Thats it, if after that Linux, UNIX, MacOS, or Windows is chosen Im behind the decision 100%.  I only care that the decision is independent and well thought out.   

 

I stand against people who think otherwise.   

 

And, by the way, the whole Microsoft vs. Linux thing is a Red Herring anyway.  Linux runs against UNIX the majority of times, and between us, I think UNIX is generally the better choice.   

 

What does Linux stand for really? 

 

Does it stand for free only if you agree?  

 

If so, it isnt free, the cost is way too high for me and it should be for you as well.�

Mar 10, 2007 2:33 PM Guest taupist  says:

quote comment=&quot;26&quot;What a breath of fresh air, I like Windows at the moment, granted it has its bugs but it works. It&#39;s easy to use and does most of the grunt work for me. When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something.When Linux does that I'll consider changing. [/quote] Do you have any idea how many programs are available for Linux that CAN be installed with just a click?!Do you know how often one has to resort to building from source?Can you build from source on Windows without buying $1,000.00 worth of extra software?If you know what swamp Rob Enderle crawled out of, please tell me. I don&#39;t know how this guy (or anyone else, for that matter) can afford to spend $50.00 per week on anti-spyware, maybe you have to be born with a silver spoon in your mouth (or the right ancestory). 

Mar 10, 2007 2:51 PM Guest Uli  says:

quote comment=&quot;26&quot;What a breath of fresh air, I like Windows at the moment, granted it has its bugs but it works. It&#39;s easy to use and does most of the grunt work for me. When any form of Linux can automatically detect my USB Memory stick and I can "double click" a program file and have it install the program, instead of me having to take up large quantities of what little free time I have, trying to learn command line code so I can install something.When Linux does that I'll consider changing. [/quote]I have no axe to grind with either MS or &quot;Linux&quot; however lets report facts.  Dude, I don&#39;t want to be funny but when last did you run Linux? - Do yourself a favour - Install Ubuntu Edgy (6.10) - you might be quite surprised at what it can do.  We have had cases where the hardware detection has been better than when using WindowsXP.

Mar 10, 2007 3:46 PM Guest judecn  says:

quote comment=&quot;315&quot;Boy, some of these posts are amazing.�  But they prove my point don’t they? �  Read through them, how many are personal attacks, how many suggest Microsoft is behind this to derail the discussion, and how many seek to sidetrack the discussion into something that favors Linux?    If the piece was crap why the huge effort to discredit it?�  And what was I recommending anyway, to be independent and make decisions after evaluating your options?  Is that so evil?   �  When people attack others for their ideas and thoughts they attack the very basis for freedom, not free as in free beer, or free as in free to do what you want with software, but free to think and do as you like.  They are being the worst kind of bully, the one that says do what I say “or else”. �  And if you read through these posts you’ll see that “or else” implied way too often for comfort. �  You can still go back and see the sequence of events that took me down this path.  �  If the Linux advocates cared, but we know they don’t, they would see it was they, not Microsoft, that have me focused on what I think they are covering up.  I simply will not be blackmailed into being quiet.   It’s in my nature.  I fundamentally think people should be free to voice their opinions and that IT must be able to make decisions without bias.   That’s it, if after that Linux, UNIX, MacOS, or Windows is chosen I’m behind the decision 100%.  I only care that the decision is independent and well thought out.  �  I stand against people who think otherwise.  �  And, by the way, the whole Microsoft vs. Linux thing is a Red Herring anyway.  Linux runs against UNIX the majority of times, and between us, I think UNIX is generally the better choice.  �  What does Linux stand for really?�  Does it stand for “free only if you agree”? �  If so, it isn’t free, the cost is way too high for me and it should be for you as well.�[/quote]  Quit victimizing yourself.  You sound like a KKK member who just got beaten up for telling black jokes at an NAACP conference.  You&#39;re getting flamed because you obviously have no clue what you&#39;re talking about and you&#39;re spreading FUD, and this article reads like you&#39;re just trying to draw attention to yourself.  I don&#39;t pity you at all; you set yourself up. 

Mar 10, 2007 6:19 PM Guest oh how mature  says:

Wow.   And we are back to personal attack.  I guess I hit a chord.   What is funny is how often Linux fans use the paid by Microsoft thing.  Youll note he doesnt address a single point he just sidesteps the whole thing and calls me names.   Now thats adult, kind of makes several of my points in one post though doesnt it?   Thanks for that.

 

You just show how mature you are. One guy is falling into bad language and you are mature enough to answer him g

 

All the other people telling you, how wrong and unqualified your claims are, are maturely ignored by you.

 

Ok - maybe it's asking too much to just say something like "sorry guys, i was wrong" g

Mar 10, 2007 6:26 PM Guest 12345  says:

"Does the Free Software Foundation own Linux? They appear to be trying to rename it. "

 

http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html

 

"Should we always say GNU/Linux instead of Linux?

    Not always--only when you're talking about the whole system. When you're referring specifically to the kernel, you should call it Linux, the name its developer chose."

 

I think you should read the link...

Mar 10, 2007 6:48 PM Guest THIS_ARTICLE_SUX  says:

Hey Rob. I just wanted to let everybody out there who didn't already realize it your a fucking idiot who doesnt know shit about IT and who gets paid to write what he is told.

 

Also, to the fucking retard with post #1.  WTF.  Have you tried linux in the last two years?   Two months ago I walked my girlfreind through talking her brand new laptop and wiping it clean in installing Ubunutu on it.  Everything just works.  Plug in the Ipod. its works.  Plug in the printer it works.  External hard drive, Works... Thumb Drive... Works..  Wireless worked flawlessly out the box.  She has NO computer experiance at all and was able to completely set it up and have a working secure operating system.   Ubunutu doesnt include anything closed source out of the box so the ATI drivers need to be installed but that invloves downloading one file and double clicking on it on the desktop...  Hmmm.. A lot like windows.  Only now when she needs a new App to do something she doesnt waste time finding a pirated version of it, checking it for viruses, installing it,  cracking it...  She goes to Synaptic Package manager and types in what she wants and Boom. Its installed and the shortcut is neatly filed away in a SORTED Start menu. Fuck thats one thing that drove me nuts about windows having to sort every app into a relevent folder and delete all the other crap the manufacture decided I wanted put in my start menu.  She likes it way better, no restarting once or twice or 4 times a day, new software never needs a restart, even an updated video driver only requires a 10 second X restart.  She loves the Beryl goodness and multiple desktops make her more productive.  For me. its been great, No viruses, no spyware, no crashes, no work involved.   Plus when a new version of ANY peice of software on the computer is available its seamlessly installed by synaptic, like a windows update not just for the OS but for everything. 

 

If your grandmother couldn't get linux working if she tried then she's as fucking stupid as Rob who wrote this article.  Anybody who talks 30 minutes to read could get it working no problem.  Its retards like you and Rob who convice people that computers are "Hard" and they don't even try becuase you convinced them it will be too complicated.

Anybody reading this give SUSE or Ubunutu a try before you belive these dumb fucks.  Hell you don't even have to install it. Download a live CD and give it a test drive.

Mar 10, 2007 8:14 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

If you use Linux what are the odds this guy will be the person who supports you?   With my luck he'd probably be the guy who supported me.  

 

Kind of makes you want to rush out and try Linux doesn't it?

Mar 10, 2007 8:23 PM Guest Tim Spencer  says:

You said -

 

"But if you suggest that Linux isnt ready for the desktop  which I do often because it isnt  youll have folks coming after your job and, sometimes, suggesting you wont be long for this world. "

 

I can't begin to know where to start with this ignorant comment.  Folks come after you because you are WRONG!  Amazing as I top this from Suse Linux Enterprise DESKTOP.    I do everything on my Linux desktop - at work- hooking into Exchange, write documents and do this in a 100% Microsoft shop.  I even config Cisco routers and switches from SLED.  You have this 100% backwards - you'll get your rear handed to you if you criticize MS!  Believe me, I hear the excuses that people still use that crap.  It's pathetic!

Mar 10, 2007 8:31 PM Guest Greg Patrick  says:

Rob Enderle ,   Anyone on the internet can be rude or get on you.   They think they can not be found.  I really do not think there is a Linux Strike team that can make you lose your Job.  We do have Freedom of Press and the Aclu will back you up.   Now, if you work for Microsoft company.  They don't want you talking about their competitor.  They don't want to lose money.   I do like puppy Linux version and I also a real fan of windows 95 and windows 98se.   I also liked Suse 9.0 and Red Hat 9.0  I don't like Windows Xp and will not get Vista but may get a Mac.  However,  I heard on the news Microsoft is working or will be working with Apple-oh no.  So this means Microsoft is looking at open source.

Mar 10, 2007 8:43 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Microsoft is doing something called shared source which is similar but not quite the same.  For many of the OSS folks I doubt there is anything Microsoft could do, except maybe closing their doors, that would make them happy.  

 

Apple is doing something interesting with Leopard and they have evidently really pushed Windows interoperability.   I actually think they will take some share as a result of this move, the question is can they take enough quickly.   Hardware companies arent like software companies, they cant scale quickly because they have infrastructure limits.   I think the potential for apple is something like 400% growth but, I think theyll be physically limited to something closer to 80% before Microsoft can respond.  As far as the two partnering, Apple burned Microsoft back when Steve took the company back over and the ad campaign has Bill Gates seriously pissed off.   In addition there were some leaked memos indicating Microsoft was thinking of pulling the plug on Office for the Mac.  It makes me doubt that any partnership will be very deep.  The two companies arent close at all and I think the potential is only for something similar to the Sun deal, long on rhetoric short on actual results.  

 

Well see.    Thanks for posting!

Mar 11, 2007 12:19 AM Guest Alex  says:

It's really nice to see someone willing to take an unpopular stand.  That can be difficult to spot in cases like this, where anti-microsoft zealots will claim that pro-microsoft IS the popular stance.  Really, as far as genuine criticism is concerned, it's the opposite.

 

What really resonated with me was the part of the first point, that "Linux" is interchangably used as a concept and as a distro.  The most flagrant abuse of this that I ever read, was an article (I wish I could find a link), where the guy listed "5 myths about linux".  These were things like, "Linux has bad hardware support", to which his response was, essentially, "Oh yeah?  Mandrake's hardware support was as good as windows".  Next myth, software is hard to install in linux.  "Oh yeah?  Debian's apt-get is EASIER than windows".  Of course, he was more articulate about it, but that was the general rebuttal.  It went on and on, listing a different distro each time.

 

The conclusion was obvious from the get-go.  Linux is just as good at everything as windows  (notice, the conclusion didn't have a distro in mind.  They went back to concept and hoped nobody noticed).  What they didn't tell you was where to find the (if I remember all the distros listed) "RedManDrebiantooware" distribution.

 

Imagine the beaurocratic nightmare of THAT distro:)

 

-Alex

Mar 11, 2007 12:23 AM Guest P.F. Bruns  says:

Mr. Enderle, I agree with some of your points, but disagree with others.  To wit:

 

1)  The distro of Linux one works with can make a huge amount of difference, and there are far too many, from far too many different developers, to call Linux one product.  I am currently writing this on Kubuntu, a variant of Ubuntu with KDE added.

 

2)  While the architecture of the current Linux kernels and the UIs on top seems to make it less inherently insecure than Windows 2000/XP (I haven't played with Vista yet, so have no data), you are right in noting that Linux distros are not designed as security products in and of themselves; if a hacker or malware writer really wanted to pwn someone, they would learn how to do it.  However, I note that it seems much harder for the typical script kiddie to commandeer a Linux system than a Windows system.

 

3)  I'm not sure how relevant this is; Microsoft's support is barely more effective for IT departments than it is for end users; I have been both, and frankly, the idea of downloading an OS for free and then paying for support (the model Red Hat seems to be pursuing) is beginning to feel much more potentially productive than buying an OS and then paying for support, as Microsoft seems to favor.  (By "support," here, I mean having a dedicated tech support center to assist with major issues, not a patch download site, as both Windows and Ubuntu/Kubuntu now have automatic updates built in.)

 

As to whether Linux is anyone's specific intellectual property (which really should have been part of the un-numbered fifth topic), I would have to say that if the kernel belongs to anyone, it belongs to Linus Torvalds, and he has only claimed GPL license rights, which are far from the copyrights and patents SCO claims.

 

Further, SCO has the burden of proof here, since it is making the accusation, and it refuses to release the evidence in a court of law.  Accusations based on secret evidence are bad jurisprudence no matter where they occur.  As far as I am concerned, SCO has to prove to a judge, to the world, to you, and to me that they own anything inside the kernel, and all they have done for five years is toss about wild accusations and frivolous lawsuits.  They're a bunch of extortionists.

 

4.  Because there are many, many different entities distributing Linux, this entire question is largely irrelevant.  The folks that support their product (the stuff on top of the kernel) the best will survive; the rest will not.  (Ask the good folks at MacMillan.)

 

5.  I can't say much as to whether individual IT departments using Linux attack employees who speak out against it, but I will agree overall that Linux is not as "open" as a kernel with published should be, if only because it seems like the most efficient way for a company to implement it is to produce their own new distro and support it.  Windows, for all its flaws, and there are many, can be installed and run right out of the box, and can be (and has been) implemented in a great many businesses of wildly different size and scope.

 

I do disagree, however, with Laura DiDio's disparaging remarks about Linux programmers and supporters living in "an alternate reality" and the like; they seem like unnecessary ad hominem attacks, especially considering that Linux is not yet as quick and easy to implement as Windows.

 

As for the commenter above who had USB memory stick trouble: I have several memory sticks, and Ubuntu/Kubuntu has recognized all of them.  It's stuff like my USB/MIDI adapter for my keyboard that I want to get working!

 

Also, on a separate but relevant note, Mr. Enderle:  Please work on your mechanics. 

 

"...self evident. ..." should be "...self-evident. ..."

"...god like. ..." should be "...godlike. ..."

"...for the different distributions but, ..." should be "...for the different distributions, but, ..."

"Sounds like a government doesnt it?" should be "Sounds like a government, doesnt it?"

"Laura DiDio at Yankee gets sexual harassed..." should be "Laura DiDio at Yankee gets sexually harassed..."

In the next paragraph, the $1.53 billion award against Microsoft turns to $1.52 billion when you talk about what would have happened to Dell and Gateway had they not been indemnified.

Finally, either all five topics should be numbered, or none of them should.

 

Overall, though, I agree that you bring up some interesting points.  I think different distros of Linux have different issues that should be addressed, and if discussion of them is being suppressed, then that suppression should be ended.  I think Windows has problems too, though, and I think that Microsoft's approach, spending more on marketing and sparkly things to get people to ignore the problems is just as indefensible, though not as repressive on the surface.

 

What the entire planet needs is simply a series of operating kernels, environments, and applications that all cooperate, and that strongly encourage people at every level to do the same.  Windows cooperates too well with uncooperative programs (malware and other nasties that convince your computer to cooperate with someone who wants to use your computer for bad things); Linux doesn't cooperate well enough with applications written for good things.

 

Just my .02.

 

 

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Mar 11, 2007 1:14 AM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Nicely argued and you once again point out why I generally love my editors. 

 

Blogs are unedited, unfortunatly, and you are kind of seeing me in the raw.  This is what pre-edited me looks like.  

 

My editors earn their money the hard way, reminds me to thank them for the work they do.  Thanks for that.

Mar 11, 2007 3:08 AM Guest J.H.  says:

wow, is it just me or has this guy really forgotten to do his homework? "Is Linux a myth?" What is that supposed to mean? that Linux is made up, that it doesn't exist? Linux is a kernel of an operating system. If you would have took 2 seconds out of your busy schedule to at least Google it, you would have found that out. And why does something have to make money to be successful? I'm not trying to be naive, I do realize that the whole world runs on money, but many things are successful without making money. Lets take Gandhi for instance, he didn't make any money, yet he helped stop an army. I would say that is success. Our own government is constantly loosing money and most people find the US form of government the most successful. Money is not the only scale that success should be measured on.

 

P.S. never quote yourself in technical writing, most people are taught that in junior high. a strike team for people who talk out against Linux? Ridiculous.

Mar 11, 2007 3:19 AM Guest [H]omer  says:

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I started writing about Linux because I was told I couldn't and the more people told me I couldn't, and particularly when they said "or else," the more the Linux dirty laundry became attractive to me.

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Everyone has Dirty laundry, Enderle, and as you should know, Microsoft has more than most:

 

- http://antitrust.slated.org

 

You're inventing a scenario where none exists. There are no conspiracies in Linux. You dont even cite any examples to support this "conspiracy" FUD. I find it hilarious that you try to spin the whole "conspiracy" issue around to point at Linux, since the entirely Open and Free process of developing FOSS is about the most transparent process in the industry. The total opposite is true of proprietary software development.

 

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One:  Is Linux a Myth?

 

That whole section is nothing but meaningless waffle, intended to make us think that there must surely be a serious point, but just missed it; the ultimate misdirection trick; i.e. the windbag tactic.

 

The reason that Linux can be anything it wants, in order to "win a deal", is because it is flexible enough to do so. You present this as though it were a detriment, not an advantage, as though this is somehow a confidence trick. The fact that "Linux" is not a company is the nature of FOSS, not some imaginary diversionary tactic.

 

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Two:  Is Linux Secure?

 

The first three paragraphs of the tripe in that section, seems to be a suggestion that Linux is insecure because of the notion of "security through obscurity", a particularly narrow minded, and often ridiculed myth.

 

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Linux is surrounded by people who generally don't even use real names and often "exaggerate" what they do for a living. Wonder(sic) over on Groklaw and you'll see a lot of legal experts, a few months back I corresponded with one. His legal "expertise" came for a class on contracts, and I'm not kidding, he took in high school. PJ, the woman who allegedly heads up this legal resource, is currently ducking service from SCO and lord knows what she is covering up (and I don't think it is that she works for IBM; they aren't that stupid).

 

Witness the professionalism of a man convinced of his own superiority, as he dives headlong into the gutter with Ad Hominem attacks, that not only completely undermines what little there is left of his integrity, but is also so utterly irrelevant to the heading topic (let me remind you this is was supposed to be about security) that it is simply laughable.

 

The rest of this section is frankly just ill-informed lies and paranoia. Having worked on package submissions for a well known community Linux distro (and no I don't need to lie about that), I can tell you that you are talking utter nonsense if you think contributors to the core of GNU/Linux are allowed to check-in to CVS or repo trees anonymously. Such a stupid statement leads me to conclude that you are completely ignorant of the process. The only anonymous participation is in community channels such as Blogs and forums, and most of that anonymity is mainly necessary to guard against spam, something Windows evangelists should be familiar with, since it is primarily their platform that facilitates the vast global spam problem we have today, thanks to compromised Windows zombies. If you're going to criticise "anonymity", you should take a long hard look at the so-called Microsoft Munchkins who are paid to infiltrate every corner of the Free world, to poison it with pro-Windows indoctrination. What next? Are you going to start criticising the individual's right to privacy, or the principle of Net Neutrality? Why stop there, you should take your supremacist ideals to the ultimate conclusion, and just intern everyone who doesn't blindly subscribe to your Red-Neck agenda, in concentration camps.

 

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Three:  Do Communes Work?

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I can see you tried desperately to not use the word "Commie" in this section, which is by-and-large, just stereotypical Red-Neck propaganda.

 

Yes, I am painfully aware of your capitalist imperialist persuasion, and no, the gulf of our opinions will probably never be bridged. I happen to enjoy Freedom, apparently others enjoy slavery. Go figure.

 

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Four:  Is Linux Pro-Developer, or Pro-You?

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The classic false dichotomy; that personal freedom, and innovation leading to financial success, are mutually exclusive propositions.

 

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Maybe if you live in a Third World country and like to work for peanuts. Linux throws off very little cash

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Maybe you should consider a career change to stockbroker, because you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with money, and a badly twisted perspective of how it should be acquired. But then you were an analyst, so you're bound to have a very narrow minded outlook, aren't you?

 

The first and most important consideration in software development should be technical excellence. Let marketing strategists decide what props they want to use to hoard cash, and leave the developers to write software.

 

I particularly enjoyed the all-too predictable "car analogy". I think you are running out of clichés; at any minute I expect you to start screaming "un-American".

 

You criticise the FOSS development model, because it depends too heavily on services, but conveniently ignore the fact that Microsoft, a company probably more reliant on proprietary licensing than any other, is desperately trying to break into that service sector, in anticipation of the inevitable death of the shrink-wrapped software industry. Maybe you should take a queue from your paymasters, unless you think you know something Microsoft does not.

 

The rest of that section is little more than supposition and speculation, based on a very loosely defined axioms, and overall, I feel, the false attribution of the down-turned market to something specifically to do with Linux.

 

Equally, it could be argued that the down-turn is as a result of many true IT experts leaving the industry, in disgust at having to support Microsoft's closed standards for broken software. Here's a good citation of what I'm talking about:

 

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In addition to the outsourcing of jobs, let's not forget the considerable number of people (outside of Microsoft) who left the computer field because they found it too much of an insult to their intelligence to be spending all their time supporting that which is always and by far the weakest link in any computer infrastructure -- Microsoft.  I've watched over two decades the inverse relationship between prestigious jobs in the computer field vs. the growth of Microsoft such that computer science now ranks near the bottom of the academic desires of college students.  And who can blame them, working in computers has become synonymous with supporting Microsoft and one can find a more rewarding and respectable career as janitor at the local sewage &amp; wastewater treatment plant.

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- Mike (on the Linux Advocacy Newsgroup)

 

You place much "value" in proprietary solutions, but never once explain in detail why you think FOSS solutions could not be just as valuable, both in financial, and more importantly, in sociological terms. More FUD and hyperbole.

 

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In any case, if we accept (and OSF in particular would not agree to this) that financial success is the primary measure of a successful platform, Linux has done very poorly historically against the alternatives, and both UNIX and mainframes seem to be coming back as a result.

 

By the way, Google is a really good example of how to use Linux and make tons of money doing so, so I'm not saying it is anti-business, as I mentioned above; it is FSF that appears doing that. I'm not sure Linux is pro-anything, though it is clearly positioned most often against Microsoft.

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I must say, it is very generous of you to make such a charitable concession towards Google's success with Linux solutions. Can we take it then that this is an admission that this entire article is nothing but ill-conceived cerebral flatulence?

 

My dissent is not with the fundamental principle of "making money", but rather with the underhand "Dirty Tricks" used to get it, at the expense of other, considerably more worthy endeavours. In particular, I take exception to the fallacy that the process should be dependant on "secrets", "boiler-room deals", patents, the inhibition of civil rights, and legal frameworks designed by (and lobbied for) fat-cat industrialists, which are then undemocratically thrust onto the taxpayers.

 

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the grass may be greener, but it may be wise to also watch where you step. (I have three dogs, and they suggested I mention this).

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That's good advice, you should take it, especially as you seem to have a poor sense of direction, and appear to be headed straight towards a field of rather anorexic looking (cash) cows.

 

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Is Linux is(sic) "Open"?

 

How can anything be "Open" if honest discussion isn't allowed?

 

More FUD. Criticism is not censorship, so the word "allowed" is pure hyperbole.

 

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Some of the mail has been rather nasty

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If you want to see some really nasty Email, you should read some of the evidence presented in the "Comes Vs Microsoft" case. It kind of puts your little "hate mail" problem into perspective.

 

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As an analyst I actually had to quit my job to have the same freedom of speech with Linux. According to The Register, there is actually some kind of a strike team that comes after me every time I say something positive on Microsoft or negative on Linux.

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Is this anything like the "strike team" that comes after Linux advocates whenever they make an appearance outside of their respective communities? Witness the recent events on DellIdeaStorm. Here we have, essentially, a customer feedback site, in the form of a Blog, where there are over 100,000 votes for pre-installed Linux boxes from Dell. And sure enough, the Munchkins came crawling out from under their rocks to criticise Linux, even though their criticism was irrelevant. The "vote" thread for Linux is not an "advocacy" forum, it is a request from customers. This is not an intellectual attack on Microsoft or Windows, or any other negative behaviour, it is purely a genuine and positive appeal from customers for Dell to give them what they want. And yet the Munchkins came dutifully marching in, regardless.

 

Certainly the responses to these "Trolls" were equally out of place (I contributed, as you probably suspected), but although Microsoft supporters certainly have the right to voice their support of Windows, they most certainly do not have the right to dictate to others that they cannot have Linux. That's why they call it "Freedom of Choice", something Microsoft would dearly love to eliminate, and will succeed in eliminating unless people like me speak out against them and people like you.

 

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And I'm not alone: Laura DiDio at Yankee gets sexual harassed, and Dan Lyons over at Forbes is attacked regularly, although he does have supporters as well.

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I don't condone sexual harassment, ever, but someone as gormless as DiDio deserves all the criticism she gets. As for Lyons, he is just another Trash Piece hack not worthy of anyone's attention. You certainly have identified with your own kind, haven't you? The three of you are like three rotten peas in a rather mangy pod.

 

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Let's take indemnification

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Yes let's.

 

Let's look at how Ballmer assures indemnification against Novell customers for IP infringements that don't even exist.

 

If America's draconian and badly broken software patent system was not as out of sync with the ideals of the rest of the planet, maybe this "need" for indemnification wouldn't be anywhere near as urgent.

 

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There are at least two sides to everything. What I've observed with OSS in general and Linux in particular (and this applies to Apple as well) is there is a distinct effort to make sure only the popular side can speak.

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But according to the Window advocates, Windows is the most "popular side" since it controls greater than 90% of the market.

 

Therefore, I must thank you for your admission that Microsoft and their supporters attempt to inhibit the freedoms of FOSS and Linux advocates.

 

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I think the thing that bothers me the most about Linux is IT advocacy. IT shouldn't be an advocate of any product, because it needs to make determinations between them. Whether it is Microsoft, Apple, or Linux, once IT takes a side it is no longer capable of properly assessing a solution based on the needs of the business. And that is the job.

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I agree that specific problems should be met with specific solutions, based purely on technical merit, and not swayed by political opinion, such as your article, for example. In fact it is primarily Linux's technical merit that encourages me to advocate it's use over, say, Vista. But then it's probably unfair of me to take pot shots at Vista, since it's pretty much a lame duck, as most of the Blogosphere confirms.

 

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When only one side is heard, you don't have "Open," and you sure as heck don't have "Free" as in Freedom, which, to me is more important than "Free" as in "Free Beer." If, to get "Free" Software, we give up "Free" Speech the cost, at least to me, is way the heck too high.

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I agree, but this is reverse logic. Who is inhibiting whom here; the advocates of FOSS, Linux, and Open Standards; or the corrupt monopolists sitting on a tonne of marketing cash?

 

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Wrapping Up:

 

I stopped at 5 things but there are clearly more we could chat about.

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Yes, there's a large number of issues that you carefully circumvented, such as the gross technical inadequacies of Windows, and Vista in particular.

 

You also failed to touch on the issue of how the entertainment industry is manipulating the software industry into capitulating to their draconian demands, and thus enslaving the public in their civil rights-violating policies. And that apparently Microsoft is eagerly helping them to commit this violation, even at the expense of functionality within it's own Operating System.

 

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Like why don't we talk about Apple vs. Linux?"

 

Why don't we talk about Steve Jobs appealing for an end to DRM, something that would finally kill off the Windows Media format once and for all (since that seems to be its only attraction to content providers)?

 

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Does the Free Software Foundation own Linux? They appear to be trying to rename it.

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I take it that quip is aimed at the fact that RMS asks people to credit GNU software to GNU, rather than to someone else.

 

How about we call "Windows NT" (and all subsequent derivatives) "VMS"? I mean that is essentially what it is, right?

 

How about we stick a notice on every Windows retail box, and a screen during the Windows install, that reads "Windows Networking: brought to you by the Regents of the University of California"?

 

FOSS is Free, not plagiaristic, unlike the vast majority of the Microsoft portfolio.

 

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Who's side is Steve Ballmer or Richard Stallman on? (I would argue it is Stallman and the GPL 3.0 do more to kill Linux than anthing Microsoft could conceive of

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I'm sure Torvalds would agree, since he seems so dead set against protecting his freedom, and is happy to see the Tivoisation of his work.

 

I'm equally sure that a sufficient proportion of the of GNU developer base will embrace GPLv3 to protect GNU/Linux from predatory behaviour, and ultimately convince the strays to join the rest of the community.

 

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and that Ballmer's statements generally benefit, though unintentionally, Linux).

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He's not much of a role model, is he? Unless you're so hung up amassing wealth at the expense of your integrity, that you're prepared to stab everyone in the back, and then jump around on stage, whooping and sweating all over everyone, in celebration of your misdeeds.

 

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When I was growing up a popular T-Shirt Slogan was "Question Authority." Take a look around, what are people afraid to ask questions about, what isn't being discussed that should be? I believe in preventing mistakes, not constantly finding creative ways to blame someone else.

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More reverse logic. Who exactly is the "authority" figure here? Is it the corrupt forces of the proprietary world, or the free thinkers?

 

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Ask questions, get answers.

 

I keep asking, but all I get is spin and lies.

Mar 11, 2007 3:38 AM Guest sravi  says:

I wasted my precious 1 hour on this troll.

Mar 11, 2007 5:42 AM Guest Paulo Custodio  says:

"IT shouldnt be an advocate of any product, because it needs to make determinations between them. Whether it is Microsoft, Apple, or Linux, once IT takes a side it is no longer capable of properly assessing a solution based on the needs of the business. And that is the job.  IT needs to ensure, not prevent, discussion so that the best product, company, or service is chosen, and when they cant do that, they should find other jobs."

 

Best insight ever. I see this elitism everyday, people making dumbfounded claims about OS superiority.

 

I always tell them: If you only drive Fords, one can forgive you for thinking Ford invented the wheel.

Mar 11, 2007 6:44 AM Guest Roland Sassen  says:

Good article Rob!

Mar 11, 2007 8:00 AM Guest Martin Pilkington  says:

I'm going to come out and say it now: I'm a mac user and most of the time I believe Rob Enderle post's crap without any sort of research or thought. So you understand just what I mean when I say that this is actually a pretty good article.

 

I did some research into userbase last week, using figures of OS share based on internet usage. Unlike market share figures from IDC and Gartner, these reflect people actually using the computers, not just those sold in a time period (for example, I'm not included in any of the last 3 quarters market share figures). As such it seems that Apple only has 2% market share and Linux has next to zero. Also using these figures XP would have next to 0% market share as well.

 

The actual figures turned out to be pretty interesting. For the month of February Windows has about 93% market share, OS X had 6.3% and Linux had around 0.4%. Now we keep hearing how Linux is going to make a surge in the desktop space. However, in the time it took Apple to gain 3% in user share, Linux gained around 0.1%. It just isn't happening. Also, please bare in mind that these are stats for users. If you were to include servers I would suspect Linux would take a lot of market share back from OS X, but we're talking about the year of Linux on the desktop, not on the server.

 

Of course, there are very good reasons why. The main 3 OSs employ the two main software ideologies (closed source and open source) in different ways. MS uses mostly closed source, the Linux community uses open source and Apple combines both. I believe to be successful Linux needs to take the same approach as Apple. Yes, open source is good, it has lots of benefits. However, if you want to become successful you need to get the big companies to develop for your platform. Why is Apple a viable alternative to Windows? Microsoft Office, Adobe Photoshop, Quicken, Quark Express. Many programs that people use on Windows are available on the Mac. You need the closed source to get the programs you want. All the stuff is there for Linux to become what it needs to be to succeed, it's just the people don't want to do it.

 

I also agree with Rob on the last point. Linux and Mac and Windows users all have their extreme elements. Many people I know ask me "Why do you use a Mac? Windows is better." Many of them have hardly used a Mac. Same happens with people who use Linux. The people who use Macs and Linux then get overly defensive. The problem is, the less popular you are, the more of your user base are fanatics. Most Windows users don't care much about which OS is better, they want to work. Most Mac users don't care a huge amount. Many care a bit and would recommend to their friends, but it's only a small few that are the Artie MacStrawman that many people see. Ask any reasonable Mac user if they think OS X is invulnerable and the answer will be no. Unfortunately, most Linux users I've met are fairly extreme. There are very few Linux users who use it without being passionate about it, mostly those who don't know much about computers but have been put on Linux by relatives who are passionate about it.

 

I would also say to Rob that your remark about IT, while it is true for Linux or even OS X, is often very true for Windows. I'm not saying that people who just buy Microsoft no matter what aren't right, Windows can be the best in a situation, just like any other OS. However, many of those people don't even bother to look at the alternatives. The fact that Windows is best for their situation doesn't matter, they're assuming it's the best, they don't KNOW it's the best. In some cases I believe that IT departments on Microsoft could be better suited to OS X or Linux. For example, OS X is very good for small businesses, and as such this is where Apple targets. Microsoft is far better with the enterprise.

 

Also, one last point/correction. OS X is currently the biggest selling UNIX based OS, which is showing the switch from Linux to UNIX that you mention again.

Mar 11, 2007 10:04 AM Guest Paul Hands  says:

Who says you're not allowed to discuss these things?  What an arrogant, self-important premise on which to base your drivel.  Your SCOX keynote a couple of years ago "Open Source and the Idiots Who Use It" summarizes exactly why nothing in that article can be taken as anything but biased nonsense.

 

Everyone I know in the FOSS arena welcomes discussion and criticism, as that's how problems get identified and solved.

 

Once again, Rob proves nothing except that he's a publicity seeking idiot who needs the oxygen of publicity, however elicited.  As he has nothing useful or insightful to say, he just fires off contumely to provoke reactions.

 

 

Mar 11, 2007 10:16 AM Guest Christian  says:

Rob Enderle wrote: "When people attack others for their ideas and thoughts they attack the very basis for freedom, not free as in free beer, or free as in free to do what you want with software, but free to think and do as you like. "

 

So you definition of freedom is to say and do as you want without anyone pointing out that what you say is misleading or totally wrong? Freedom of speech is correctly to say what you want, but it is just as much true that people have the right to speak in response. You introduce your article by saying that 'people' told you that you couldn't write about linux. Maybe what they actually told you was that you couldn't write about linux in the competence context. Its like telling me I can't write about nuclear science. Which is correct, but of course not in the freedom of speech context, but in missing crucial knowledge be able to write about it in an valuable fashion.

 

You mention Daniel Lyons and Laura DiDio and your peers, which is fitting as they do write in the same style as you. The style consists of making vague accusations or alluding to misconduct, then trying to protray oneself as being in the right by refuting claims nobody made or making logical conclusions based on conjecture and truisms applied to the opposing party. Accusing the other party of trying to cloud the issue or misdirect, but then youself writing paragraphs like the one in your article pretending to be about linux security but instead spending most of its text on a character attack on PJ of Groklaw. The other common trick you use is keeping thing so vague that it is almost impossible to refute your statements, yet you say in your article 'your justification needs to be solid and for that youll need the specifics.' If that is the way you feel then it is strange that you a little further down manage to write  'While I dont have enough to do more than suggest there is a cause and effect here'. So first you attack the people in the linux community for making random claims not backed by facts, then you follow-up by making just such a claim yourself.  If you actually did research the topic of outsourcing I think you would find that the vast majority of jobs that got outsourced where linked to Windows and commercial Unix simply because the outsourcing wave started quite a bit before Linux started making serious innroads.  To be honest I would be very suprised if you or anyone else is able to point to any decent research linking outsourcing to operating systems. Every such decision I personally was ever involved such 'low level' technical considerations where not even part of the discussion.

 

So lets gets the fact straight here, your frustration is not with the few mental cases sending you death threaths or the similar, you are just frustrated that you are having trouble keeping up your status as an analyst when a huge number of people shot down everything you write about Linux as uninsightful. But then again maybe its time to realize that its not the job of the members of the linux community to let you have a comfy living as a market analyst by keeping quiet when you slap together your articles and reports. Instead its your job to actually do some analysis and research into the topic instead of pendling random opinion as market analysis and thus produce content richt and insightful writing.

Mar 11, 2007 11:05 AM Guest Long Time Linux User  says:

Rob Enderle,

All I ask is that if you are going to represent yourself as an IT expert and you write an article like this you better know the history and be ready to defend it with more than just the standard industry pundit crap.  I gave a presentation to a Sun user group a couple of years ago who wanted me to talk about Linux and why customers might be interested in it.  The audience was a little disappointed in what I presented.  I have worked in many areas of the IT industry relative to software architecture, development, and implementation.  I have seen technology, mostly proprietary technology, come and go.  My presentation consisted of using open source software development strategies to deliver software technology which complies to established and or defacto industry standards and the benefits of the strategy.  The Linux open source project was used an example of this strategy.  The software technology which comes out of most of these projects has a life span which is immune to the normal planned obsolesce technology delivery strategies which proprietary vendors pursue to churn their base to make more money.  Instead, the technology put in place by these projects extends the technology base over time and when the technology is truly obsolete the community agrees that it should be retired in light of newer / better technology.   Now, some proprietary software vendors have been able to achieve the same result because of their technology strategies.  A good example of this in the IBM MVS / Mainframe environment.  IBM has always guaranteed binary compatibility of applications written for their 360/370/390 platforms.  They were able to do this because they controlled both the hardware and software architectures and, of course, customers paid and are still paying for this benefit.  This is why DoD still uses applications written in the 1970's to facilitate the volume of financial transactions need to make payments to vendors which provide products and services for its business operations.  The reasons they are still using these systems is simple,  performance and cost.  The only reason why they can still use this software technology is because of the binary compatibility guaranteed by IBM for these platforms.  Now, compare this to MicroSoft's software technology delivery strategy which continually obsoletes software technology with each new operating system / application software they deliver.  I went through the Win98 to Windows 2000 conversion with my customers and watched as they struggled to understand why their legacy software, both MicroSoft and third party applications, no longer worked.  MicroSoft has no interest in guaranteeing binary compatibility for 3 reasons.  One, they have no control over the underlying hardware technology.  Two, it would cost them a lot of money.  Three, they wouldn't be able to churn their base quickly and make as much money.  Open Source provides a strategy that attempts to solve this problem by minimizing the impact of software dependence on hardware technology by enabling implementation on any hardware technology.  This doesn't provide binary compatibility which is very costly.  However, it does prevent technology obsolescence which is a key benefit.  This is way Linux can be implemented on almost any hardware platform and is why traditional hardware platforms providers are confused by it.  Using Linux doesn't lock customers into their technology the way using traditional proprietary software does.  It is why "Bind" is still used to support internet services delivery.  I do think that the current religion in open source communities of not delivering licensed and or proprietary software with open source software is not good for open source software technology development.  As I said, I am not religious about anything in the IT industry.  As such, I think that the Novell / MicroSoft agreement might be a step in the right direction.  The problem with this arrangement is how is was vetted with the open source community and Mr. Balmer's stupidity and his "FUD" (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) statements.  What a jerk!

 

Frankly, I agree with your positions on Apple and OS X because apple has transformed its OS environment into an interesting environment which supports most industry standards and provides some compatibility with the MicroSoft environment.  It is also a good platform for open source software development.  Remember what I presented to Sun, Open Source software development produces software which is based on industry standards and is hardware platform independent.  If a platform is complaint which the standards implemented in the software then the software works every time.  Also note, a lot of open source software is currently developed using MicroSoft platforms.  An example of this is all the PHP development that is happening everywhere including in MicroSoft environments.  Software is the fuel upon which the industry runs and this explains why MicroSoft is starting to accommodate open software development.  They are observing the progress Google is making using open software development to deliver software services which are now eating into their bottom line.

 

Bert R. Kosier

Mar 11, 2007 11:40 AM Guest Steve#2  says:

Rob, great article, especially the section under Linux security where you

state: "Linux is surrounded by people who generally don't even use real

names and often "exaggerate" what they do for a living."

 

I couldn't agree more.  A quick perusal of the Linux "CREDITS" file turns

up all sorts of suspicious information, such as people who use cryptic  

names like "Linus Torvalds," "Alan Cox," and "Andrew Morton," and who  

supply dubious contact information such as email address, website links,

and, archaicly, postal addresses.  As for what they do for a living,

just look at what Torvalds claims: "Original kernel hacker" - yeah, right.

 

Microsoft, on the other hand, is surrounded by real people using genuine

names such as "Bob" and "Clippy," not to mention those two dead people in

Utah who wrote their state's Attorney General in support of Microsoft in

the antitrust trial.  Once I can find their CREDITS file - I am sure they

will all be shown to have genuine jobs as well.

Mar 11, 2007 1:51 PM Guest Matt Draisey  says:

One:  Is Software as a Product a Myth?

 

I'd agree that Windows is a product and Linux isn't, but I'd further argue that no software is well suited to be being sold as a product.  It has taken forty years of legislation, legal precendent and vast amounts of marketing to create the artiface of the modern software market --- a wholly disfunctional one where:

 

  • Monopolies form spontaneously and against the common good.  It is easier to join pieces of physical machinery together than products from different software firms, completely at odds with the underlying nature of computers.

 

  • Abstraction and complication improves the profits of companies by hindering what competition exists.  This has no benefit whatsoever to customers.  Consider the legally entrenched difference between source code and object code is a artifact from years ago without technical justification.  Modern software products contains more code to maintain parallel source and binary interfaces then functional code, to the point that forty year old lisp programmes runs faster than modern compiled ones.

 

  • Legal corner cases have more influence on the mainstream than in any other industry.  In fact, the legal framework is so artificial that all software business operates in a legal no-mans ground; nobody (but the most powerful) knows when a legal decision might destroy their business.  It takes constant inventiveness by judges to maintain any semblance of a functional market.  This isn't the sort of innovation that anyone should be proud of.

 

Why perpetuate the illusion that software as a product is the natural way to compare Windows to Linux, or even that a product comparison is important.  I doubt whether consumers are served, even in the short term, by considering which "thing" to buy.  They should be focused on the services and function they require.  The current mess that is the software market can't last forever and consumers need to survive through it and make sure they can preserve their data.  (I'm not talking about home computers users --- most never ever load a new piece of software on their computer! --- they might as well use an X box)

Mar 11, 2007 2:15 PM Guest taupist  says:

"particularly when they said "or else""

Sheesh, you are such a jerk.

"I?m just suggesting you intelligently cover your backside."

My system is functional and fast, especially when compared with MS Windows. I estimate my TCO is probably 1/4 (or less) that of Microsoft products.

"We talk about Linux like an operating system"

Have you bothered to do any research before writing this article?

To be precise, "Linux" refers to the kernel and "Gnu" refers to the utilities like "ls", "mv", "cp"

and all of the other commands that the system needs. This remark of yours is telling, you're  bviously a troll and you're trying to start a flame war. Just for the sake of discussion, I'll humor you, because you don't look that smart. Maybe someone could tutor you on the use of Google.

"The reason Linux has been abstracted into a concept is so it doesn't have to compete on merit."

So you're saying that farmers are abstracted so they don't have to compete

on merit; Presumably because they all have access to the same technology.

"As a ex-auditor"

As an writer, can you learn how to speak english? Reading your "work" is painful. Of course, a lot of newspaper "writers" say "pleaded" when they mean "pled". How do you plea?

"I?m saying the products are so different from each other that comparisons may not actually make much sense"

I'd have to agree with that. Chock one up for you.

"(and I don?t think it is that she works for IBM; they aren't that stupid)"

If she doesn't work for IBM, then why is SCO so desperate to find her? Is it a crime to report the news? What could a reporter possibly do to

harm a company like SCO, tell the truth?! The folks at SCO knew going in that there was risk in this venture, just like any business venture. Why

would you need to coddle them? The guys at SCO are big boys and I think they can take their lumps like the rest of us. "Oh the humanity!"

"we also had spies looking at their stuff."

Why would Open Source be open if we had anything to hide?

"validate the collaborators"

And how, pray tell, would I go about validating something from Microsoft? Am I to trust people that I can't see or contact? Steve Balmer will never have to answer to me for what he does. He will never answer an email from me. The system is so closed and secretive that I'll never have the opportunity to view the source code.

"real fake identity?"

What the hell is a "real fake"?! Didn't I post my email address here?

"The reason Communes do not work is a few do the work of many and aren't compensated for it."

What about all of the migrant workers who produce the food that you eat? Are they getting paid? You intentionally confuse democracy with capitalism, this is like comparing apples to oranges. You should rightly compare [capitalism

with communism] and democracy with fascism, to be accurate. Just because we share things, doesn't mean we can't vote. I guess you would assume that all of the religious organizations in America are evil because they share. I, for

one, can't see how any system (political or economic) can exist in the absence of other ideals.

"Sounds like a government doesn?t it?"

Some semblance of Democracy, I hope. I might actually stand a chance at some measure of equality.

"Now, if you wanted to participate but were blocked from participating"

It's understandable, if you work for Microsoft then we (I) don't want you to participate.

"Maybe if you live in a Third World country"

Linux is the single best opportunity for developing nations, the poor and minorities to better their lives. Microsoft will never measure up to the

same potential.

"Employees often are valued"

Didn't Microsoft have to deal with a lawsuit a while back because they were using temporary employees to write their code? As I recall, they weren't giving their employees fair compensation for the work.

"I heard from over a thousand people that they disagreed, some rather violently,

with what they thought I had written."

I'm taking the liberty of quoting you here for this reason. If I'm mistaken about something, maybe you could explain how 'copy/paste' got it wrong.

"sending a critical part of the firm to the Third World"

The rest of the world might be the only opportunity we have to escape from

the clutches of companies like Microsoft. Corruption in politics and business

in America is like a nuclear arsenal, there is enough to destroy the world several times over.

"being in the software development business carries with it too much risk,"

Especially for Steve Balmer; If Microsoft's customers want to keep using Windows, they'll have to drag the company kicking and screaming into the 21st century. To quote George Carlin, "You're not there yet."

"that financial success is the primary measure of a successful platform,"

Does that include the 'end justifies the means' style of Microsoft marketing?

"and make tons of money doing so,"

Ahhh, the almighty dollar, that's what this is all about.

"Products have implications that go beyond code"

http://www.thinkcycle.org There's a whole philosophy around Linux and Open Source

that you seem to have missed.

"If you think a Microsoft product sucks you can say that"

I do and I am. Thanks for pointing that out.

"you?ll have folks coming after your job and, sometimes, suggesting you won't be long for this world."

I consider this article to be propaganda. If you claim that this is "news" or "reporting", then maybe you shouldn't have this job. If you feel you've been threatened, you should "show us the code", maybe you're just under a lot of stress. We all know what kind of a world this is, people all over the world are losing their lives every day and for you to start whining from your position of

priviledge is unconsianable. You're an insult to the humanitarian ideals that I hold dear.

"concern for my safety."

Personally, I think you're either an idiot or a lier. I don't know why I would need to threaten you (physically), unless your threatening me. Is this going to be a problem?

"As an analyst I actually had to quit my job"

Actually, I think a lot of us would like to know the whole story behind this claim, I don't think you're being honest.

"there is actually some kind of a strike team"

Am I one of "them"? I don't remember getting paid for anything like that (actually, I do this because I just enjoy hurting people).

"Microsoft just got nailed with a whopping $1.53 Billion,"

I wouldn't call that successful. They obviously thought they could get away with using someone else's IP. I can't believe they were unaware of what they were doing, and if they were then they are massively incompetent.

"IT shouldn't be an advocate of any product,"

IT should advocate the product that works best. If I were running a business, I'd fire any IT professional who I found wasn't telling me what would work for me. That's their job.

"When only one side is heard, you don't have "Open"."

This is why I'm posting this comment, we need some balance on this page.

"I stopped at 5 things but there are clearly more we could chat about."

I could suggest that you should avoid putting your foot in your mouth, but you probably wouldn't appreciate it.

"In the last trial I participated on for the desktop, . . . Linux missed by a mile"

Would you happen to know if Windows has the capability to recognize bad memory either during install or use? My experience seems to suggest that it doesn't, MSWindows will happily install on a system with bad memory and it doesn't throw up any warnings.

"Ballmer's statements generally benefit, though unintentionally, Linux"

That's a bit of an understatement.

Mar 11, 2007 4:38 PM Guest z  says:

i think it is very nice that this website gives jobs to handicapable people.

Mar 12, 2007 4:43 AM Guest G Fernandes  says:

QUOTEThe reason Linux has been abstracted into a concept is so it doesnt have to compete on merit. /QUOTE

This is blatantly false. Linux is not abstracted into a "concept". EVER.  Linux is a kernel. GNU/Linux is the OS. And there is no "myth" or concept about it. You - yes YOU - can pick up any combination of the components that make up the GNU/Linux OS and build your own flavor of the OS.

 

Maybe, coming from a Microsoft background, this concept is so very difficult for you to understand that YOU THINK Linux is a myth - a concept. An abstract something that can morph into anything at all at will.

 

In reality - the very SAME REALITY that you seem to mention somewhere in the article - GNU/Linux is an extremely modular set of components that make up a fully functional OS.

 

Coming from Microsoft, I don't doubt this is very difficult to understand.

 

But at least don't spread FUD when the REALITY is that YOU don't understand GNU/Linux.

Mar 12, 2007 9:38 AM Guest Tyler  says:

You article is well-written, but that's the end-all-be-all of it's merits. 

 

You are trying to convince people that these are things you "can't say" about Linux, but for the most part they seem to just be avenues that you've come up with to criticise Linux.  I mean some of your points just seem to reak of desperation.  On security, for example you said nothing is secure when people are involved and therefore Linux isn't any more secure than Windows.  What a load of manure.   It's like saying that because your house has windows, which can be broken locking the door doesn't make it any more secure.  If you tried to make that argument, people would laugh at you and rightfully.  It's considerably more difficult to smash a window than it is to open an unlocked door, and it leaves evidence that someone has been in your house when they do.

 

Then again, this just seems to be another in your endless series of Microsoft apologies.  Why don't you stop trying to find new ways to write the same tired arguments and actually try to see that's theres more than just Microsoft's side of the argument.

Mar 12, 2007 12:30 PM Guest ManInScaryMask  says:

To Poster #1:

 

The date on this article is 02/26/2007.  I don't know what distributions you tried, but you're obviously ignorant.

 

EVERY distribution I have played with, besides the one I use, has ALWAYS found USB jump-drives.  I have a PSP as well, and it is recognized.  My camera is recognized, my friend's cameras are recognized, and even webcams work just fine.

 

You need to do a little bit more research before you say stupid things...

 

And yeah, someone could have already said that above, but I don't feel like researching it

Mar 12, 2007 1:12 PM Guest John Connor  says:

You can't eat your cake and have it too.  By requiring me, in your first point, to compare a company's distribution of Linux to "cover" my backside and then, in the first 2 sentences of your second point, say that you are not going to compare a company's distribution on security simply shows the invalidity of your argument.  I'm trying to keep an open mind here, but, please, you're not helping yourself.  Either stick to your guns or leave them in your holster.

Mar 12, 2007 1:20 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Sorry I lost you on that.   That's because I wasn't arguing based on product specifics but pointing out that the most likely attack vector against any Open Source product would be through the community not against the product technologically.   Right at the start I thought I explained that, sorry if I wasn't clear enough. 

 

By the way, if you go back up and count, about 40% had no problem discussing the points on merit.

Mar 12, 2007 2:20 PM Guest John Connor  says:

Honestly, it looks like you may be guilty of pretexting as well.  How can we be certain of your credentials?  Also, the beauty of a license like GPL is built into the openness that everyone, and I mean everyone, has an opportunity to comment and potentially have an impact on the direction of the license.  How many end-users get to have some level of say into the Microsoft license?  how many got a voice in the Vista license?

Mar 12, 2007 2:27 PM Guest John Connor  says:

Final comment then I'll stop bothering you.  Your final point is that IT shouldn't take sides.  IT has to take sides.  There is no way that an IT group can effectively support everything.  By it's very nature an IT department is the most effective and efficient when it chooses a particular platform or technology to base it's operations and support on.  To try any other approach is the best way for an IT group to lose control and to lose the ability to do what they were hired for.  Which, in the interest of "Openness" - who hired you to write this article?

Mar 12, 2007 3:09 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Pretexting is when you make believe you are somebody else to get access to records that would otherwise not be available to you.  It is a form of identity theft.  Dont see how that even remotely applies here.  

 

IT should never take sides, it is ITs job to choose.   If they have standardized on a platform that is part of the choice criteria but if another product can meet the interoperability requirements or mitigate the related cost by being lower priced than it should be considered and evaluated without bias.   A vendor behaving badly can be part of the evaluation process as well and is a legitimate reason for not choosing that vendor.

 

But when IT decides, before evaluation, that a vendor or solution must win.  Whether that be because of personal bias or religion or because they got a free car, deck, or house (all of which have happened) they should be fired with prejudice because they put their own interests ahead of their companys. 

 

ITBusiness edge pays me, as Ive said several times, for this stuff.  Who pays you to write?  Or, put another way, which Linux advocacy group or company do you work for?

Mar 12, 2007 4:15 PM Guest TSM  says:

C'mon, Rob.   It's pretty well known these days that you write about Linux because a few corporations hire you to. 

You even list the corporations on your web site.  You've done quite a good job at building your reputation as a  rent-a-quote / dial-a-quote analyst (a role very useful to some) - so why are you trying to say you write these things for some community?

http://www.mediasurvey.com/members/tmtw/story.php?sid=68

Mar 12, 2007 4:56 PM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

So did you listen to the link you posted?   Of course not.  This goes to trust doesn't it?   You can lie about me all you want but it doesn't make it true.   It is interesting to note that the sites driving this effort have gone dark all of a sudden huh? 

 

Makes you wonder who YOU work for doesn't it?   You know, I ask that a lot, I never seem to get an answer.  And then there are the mystical disappearing sites....  

 

We've been aware that many of the folks doing this kind of character assassination are paid to do it.  If your proud of what you are doing, let us know who is paying you.   If not don't respond.  I won't hold my breath.

Mar 12, 2007 6:54 PM Guest Mr E  says:

I love reading that people using an operating system in 1996 are complaining about wireless not working today.

 

You've obviously not used a current distro in recent months. I agree, tinkering is time consuming but the major distros have pretty much eliminated that. Of course you still can if you want to though.

 

About the AD and MOM issues. Please. MS didn't invent LDAP and there are plenty of other LDAP servers to be used: Iplanet (or Sun one etc), Red Hat Directory server (based on the Iplanet code), Fedora Directory server (same Iplanet code), Novell's LDAP offereings and even OpenLDAP. All of these compete just fine with AD. Does openLDAP require more to configure? Sure but the choice is there.

 

Openview happens to run just fine on Linux. As does Tivioli and a host of other monitoring programs.

 

I love how Robby says ``linux doesn't have to compete on merit'' That EXACTLY how the windows folks at my company copare windows to any other operating system. Want to talk about viruses? No we can't possibly do that. What about applications? No we can't talk about them. OK Let's talk about underhanded business tactics and a company that can buy their way out of any legal trouble? Certainly we can't talk about that.

 

Windows has just as many, if not more, skeletons in the closet as any Linux distro does. Want to see these windows skeletons? Too bad. No, shared source or what ever they are calling it today isn't the same thing.

Mar 13, 2007 10:31 AM Guest Steve  says:

rob, please do adequate research before posting this awful conglomerate of pseudo-information. you do not have the slightest clue of what you're talking about - standing ovations for another "IT professional" with a definitive liability to self-dramatization.

 

your article is embarassing.

Mar 13, 2007 12:53 PM Guest xamat  says:

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I'm really talking about being ready for the business desktop not your desktop or your 7 year old's.  This is the most recent head to head I've participated in.  It isn't even close.  (Apple is though).   http://www.cio.com/advice_opinion/infrastructure/operating_systems/halamka_os_review_1.html

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I use Linux for business desktop, my 7 y.o. kid was simply an example...

 

I read the article you pointed to and I have to say I don't believe it, honestly. I have been mounting USB HD plug'n'play drives in my Linux machines for some time now and I never have a problem. It is known laptops are a pain because manufacturers don't observe any standard or publish real specs, but even so I have had fully functional laptops in Linux for years.

 

And I am not goint to lie here, I have had problems indeed. All of them dealing again with manufacturers not opening up their specs so the Linux community can write drivers. All you need to do is a little research before you buy your laptop and see how well it is supported. A team of PhDs? No, just google.

Mar 13, 2007 2:47 PM Guest corey k  says:

I enjoyed the article it touched on some important things, i have been trying out linux for about 1 year now and i have to agree with the author of the article that linux really isnt ready as a desktop os even with things like freespire or linspire its still a pain in the butt to get things installed when you cant find what you are looking for on cnr or in the package manager. Linux users also usually seem to be very cultish like they just make information up about windows that doesnt even make sense, like they point fingers at microsoft for all the lawsuits, whats funny about that is that most of those lawsuits against MS were related in some way to misusing propietary software, isnt that interesting that all these open source advocates would point fingers at microsoft for being a victim of proprietary software issues. If a proprietary software company sues some open source developers they are put on a pedastal in the open source community and martyrs but when it happens to MS and they have to pay 1.5B suddenly open source advocates do a complete 180 and they are suddenly all for closed source software rights as long as it means MS gets hit for it. To me from my experiences that seems to be the bottom line with most linux users i know and have talked to, all that matters is putting microsoft out of business it isn even about making things open source with most of these people its just this wierd socialist anti capitalist operating system religion. The really funny thing though is that most virusus out there for windows are probably written by people who use linux, so people who use windows get fed up with the viruses and turn to linux which is the community of people who most likely infected your computer in the first place. I personally jus tdont like  linux because it gets in the way to much of what i am trying to do, i just want to install something and get to work i dont need 10 different GUI to choose from or 25 media players installed on my system to play with i just need a simple OS that works and that makes it easy to install software. Microsoft and apple know this which is why they are the most succesful companies.

Mar 13, 2007 2:50 PM Guest Hubert "Johnny_Bit" Kowalski  says:

I've read the article and I must say that author missed the whole point about 2 or 3 parsecs...

 

You know, there's actually no Linux that is actual operating system. Linux is KERNEL. Windows has it's kernel, but Windows' kernel isn't Windows itself, is it?

 

Now Kernel is the very foundation of Operating System. And from that point we can start.

 

Now question: How many versions of Vista are out? 6 maybe? Well, to be honest, It's actually just one, some features are simply disabled in cheaper versions. With just a little of knowledge one would probably be able to from most basic edition make most advanced one at no charge what so ever. How many Linux versions are out? Let's Now assume that we're talking about OS now. Urgt... Well, let's start from the point of popular distributions: more than 300. Now, check the very foundation of Linux OS: the kernel itself. It's extremely configurable, so with one source base you can get a lot of different Kernels. You know, one-size doesn't fits all. There's of course more to OS than just kernel, let us skip to user interface: with windows you've got possibilities, with Linux you get... Well more than 20 different and mature desktop managers, each more powerful than Windows standard Aero. Again each of them can be configured so that two identical desktop managers wont look or even feel the same. Can you get that with Windows? Well... You can mess with your icons... Or get some styles and stuff, but it's still the same thing. Oh, and even in kernel wise choice: You've got loads of choices! There is of course mainstream one (Vanilla) but there are also patch sets and they can change a lot. This choice and configuration is so wide that I can say and be sure about that there's not enough living creatures on earth that would even match to the number of possible Linux configurations.

 

Writing that I even forgot what was the basic of this article. Well, now I see that's it about Linux comparison to something. Well, you can compare two cars, but how can you compare car and a custom-made, pimped-out by alien Xzbit's team space ship?

Mar 14, 2007 1:04 AM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

Did you look at the chart?  Linux has less than 1% of the desktop now.  Growth is 30% declining through 2010 to 20%, it will make 2% in around 2111/12 at that rate.   Apple is growing faster, a lot faster.

 

Bob kind of messed up on the Windows price (enterprises typically pay around $100), but otherwise an interesting piece.

Mar 14, 2007 2:41 AM Guest xamat  says:

So, what is exactly your point?

 

As long as there are companies willing to invest millions of $$ in its commercial failure and people like you writing the things you write about Linux, it is obviously going to have a hard time.

 

I thought we were discussing about whether it is ready or not, not about marketing strategies.

 

Throughout the history great pieces of technology have not succeeded because of people with a lot of money deciding otherwise. Fortunately some of us decide to fight against that tendency while others just follow the crowd.

Mar 14, 2007 10:18 AM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

I actually think Microsoft's investment in marketing against Linux has helped the platform a great deal. 

 

The "Get the Facts" campaign alone probably drove more people to consider Linux than any other single effort by any company or individual.  That's just my opinion though.

 

I think folks should be free to discuss anything without fear.  This is kind of about that.

Mar 16, 2007 7:50 AM Guest Charles  says:

To: Robin Jackson

 

Robin, I am planning developing some product on the Linux platform.  PNP is really bothering me a lot.  Fortunately you talked about it.  Now I need a Chinese version of any of those Linux distributions with better than Vista PNP support you mentioned about.  However, there does not seem to be one.

 

If you can find out the download links and post them here I really appreciate.

 

Thanks.

Mar 20, 2007 5:58 AM Guest Dan  says:

To: Charles

 

You could try Red Flag Linux which is available from http://www.redflag-linux.com/

 

As far as I know this is a RedHat derived distro specifically for Chinese users.

 

You may also find the following link useful

 

http://www.chinesecomputing.com/os/linux.html

 

Cheers

 

Dan

Mar 24, 2007 10:13 PM Guest Akie  says:

Rob just does not understand Linux so his comment sound rather stupid to developers.

 

My company develops security products, mostly aimed at protecting networks agains infected Windows PCs. We could never do what we do with Windows. To provide certain features we need to modify the kernel. Without Linux our product would not be possible.

Mar 26, 2007 11:47 AM Guest Rob Enderle  says:

If you were you would use something like CE or Embedded Windows, but I'm not aware of any security products that do that.  You pick the right tool for the job, sounds like that's what you did.  Can't argue with that, in fact that's generally my point.

Apr 11, 2007 9:08 PM Guest Gary  says:

Simply said, if you know nothing about what you are writing about (which is very obvious), then it should be forbidden for you to do so.

   I stopped picking up many computer magazines due to one sided views.

   If Windows disappears so do their jobs, while it's around, enjoy the viruses and spyware and loss of cpu resources struggling to keep it secure.

   Is Linux for everyone? No, not everyone can maintain a learning curve.

   Enjoy your "Cover-up", we'll enjoy ours.

Sep 12, 2007 9:32 PM Guest Jacob  says:

Hey Ryan. Have you tried Ubuntu?

 

I don't have experience with many distros, but whenever you insert a storage device into an Ubuntu-run computer (CD, flash stick, etcetera) the OS detects it, and an icon appears on your desktop. I actually think it works more gracefully than on Windows.

 

As for installation, compiling from the source is indeed intimidating for graphic-interface users. However, the vast majority of the software an average user needs is indexed in Add/Remove Applications. You click on the program you want; the program downloads and installs and its icon appears in the appropriate menu. Again, this system - though needing improvement - is more intuitive than the Windows system.

 

The widespread belief that all Linux distributions are complex and unintuitive is, nowadays, a myth. Things are done differently, but most difficulties of transition are a matter of paradigm.

 

I'm not a Linux evangelist. I don't think everyone should use Linux, and I don't think it's much superior to Windows. But there's no need for people to paint teeth and claws on Linux because of it eccentricities; it's really not that bad, and it's dirt cheap.

Jan 11, 2008 7:52 AM Guest fibo  says:

It seems that you don't know what you are writing about, please document yourself before you write another article about the opensource community

 

.. start from here

 

http://www.gnu.org/

 

thanks

Jan 12, 2008 9:38 AM Guest dave  says:

Fantastic article about linux, these misconceptions were of the main reasons i dropped off right before Kubuntu 7.10, i screwed up 7.04 so bad it couldn't boot, i had a spare xp copy which was a pain in the ass all around. I only had a week until 7.04 so i thought I'd try Vista out for a week before (finally) moving back to my beloved Linux desktop, i relized how much better Vista was over XP first of all, much more stable, faster, easier to work with, etc.  But most of all it gave me a look at how much trouble I had getting Linux not to have an xserver crash or fubar after an odd update. The mesh of poorly written software is probably what causes this, kind of the "Hey we can do it too" attitude. From now on I'm just going to keep an eye on Linux while I keep using my Vista comp.

 

Seen KDE 4 yet?  It's final build default theme reminds you of Vista (not completely) with an OS X overtone.

 

"Open source, replicating commercial software since 1991"

 

By the way, thank you rob, you also made me realize how much time i spent refuting these OS idealists (ALL OF THEM) and I should probably just instead use my computer, and stay off the blogs or comment pages, digg, etc (which I'm assuming most people who use Windows do) and instead read a book or practice the guitar, do something more useful with my time.

 

LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO ARGUE CONSTANTLY ABOUT IDEALISMS WITH OS'S AND SOFTWARE

Feb 17, 2008 12:16 AM Guest Business Mailing Lists  says:

Boy that tells it like it is. I was always under the impression that Linux was far more stable and secure than Windows.

 

I just never wanted to take the chance to install it on a machine only to find that I have to learn the computer all over again.

 

The users of Linux are  similar to the Apple Macintosh users in their seemingly rebellious "cult like" devotion, which may be another reason that I didn't want to take that chance.

 

Well, I don't know how I found this blog but it was certainly interesting. I'll have to keep a watch out on this.

 

Thanks,

 

C Burns

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Jul 6, 2008 5:31 PM Guest Huff N Puff  says:

Software for Linux often assumes the end user is a geek.

 

I use Linux, not as a geek, but the way most people use Windows or a Mac.  I have a desktop, and I use a mouse. I point and click.  On Windows, when I download some new software, the software comes with everything I need to install it or run it.  If it doesn't come in a runable format, I click on an "install" file, maybe answer some questions, and it gets set up on my machine.  Well, I tried downloading and installing some new editing software for Linux.  It wouldn't run.  On investigating, I found that was because it required other software, which I did not have.  I then downloaded a competitor's product.  When I extracted the files, none were executable (binary).  Apparently, I have to compile the thing!  (There is no documentation on the download website -- no installation instructions.) 

 

If Linux wants to compete with Windows,  the authors of OSS should stop assuming end users are geeks!

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