Should We Throw out H-1B Visas and Start Over?

Ann All

Want to generate a string of impassioned -- and not always logical -- comments on your blog? Then write about H-1B visas, which allow companies to hire skilled workers from other countries. They've long been popular among technology companies like Microsoft and Intel, which insist they have trouble finding enough employees with the right skills in the U.S. For proof, we have this post from Ralph DeFrangesco that mentioned H-1Bs and had attracted 28 comments at last count, a good number of them containing personal insults aimed at other commenters.

 

I've seen this on many of my own posts. I've tried my best to present a balanced view by acknowledging that while there is a need for such visas, the current system for supplying them is open to abuse. That's my problem, I guess. I've never thought it makes sense to take an all-or-nothing approach to H-1Bs, but that's seemingly what a lot of people would like to see.

 

With all of the rancor, and increasing political pressure on H-1Bs, it's not surprising that India's National Association of Software and Services Companies (Nasscom) is asking the U.S. Congress to consider creating a new category of "service" visa that would allow companies to send workers to the U.S. for short periods but, unlike the H-1B, would not lead to immigration status or permanent residency.

 

Though the recession has reduced demand for H-1B visas, the drop will be temporary. Indian outsourcing companies like Wipro and Infosys reliably receive the largest numbers of H-1Bs. Their U.S. clients want employees on site to assist with their outsourcing efforts. Stemming the flow of H-1Bs won't end outsourcing. So maybe it makes sense to eliminate the H-1B, establish a new category for these kinds of temporary workers, and also allow more EB and F-4 immigrant visas, which put skilled workers on an expedited path toward permanent citizenship. More of the latter category might help avoid the reverse brain drain that Duke University's Vivek Wadhwa and other experts warn could hurt America's long-term competitiveness.

 

The H-1Bs don't seem to adequately address the needs of companies that need temporary "service" workers or of companies interested in attracting global talent for long-term employment.


 


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Sep 3, 2009 1:21 AM printf printf  says:

I disagree with you in referring to Vivek Wadhwa as an expert on this subject. I believe that the only U.S. policy-related matter he is expert in is his expertise in getting his biased ideas into many articles and blogs. He is very partisan and specific on these issues: he wants increasing droves of H-1Bs pouring into the U.S., buying houses (who's houses would those be?), and obtaining green cards. Vivek Wadhwa is even predisposed as to which Asian country has the best IT talent: here at this link he is defending the Indian IT industry against incursion from China - "China is NOT the new Silicon Valley":

http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/vivek-wadhwa-china-is-not-the-new-silicon-valley

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Sep 3, 2009 1:32 AM Jerry, MN Jerry, MN  says:

Professor Norm Matloff is the expert on H-1B visa reform, and he has a lot of good input on this topic. See websites below.

Prof. Norm Matloff is a professor of computer science at the University of

California at Davis, and was formerly a professor of mathematics and

statistics at that university. He is a former database software developer in Silicon Valley, and has been a statistical consultant for firms such as the Kaiser Permanente Health Plan.

In addition, he writes frequently about social issues, such as affirmative action, immigration and age discrimination.

Dr. Matloff was born in Los Angeles, and grew up in East Los Angeles and the San Gabriel Valley. He has a PhD in theoretical mathematics from UCLA, specializing in probability and statistics.

Dr. Matloff has published numerous research papers in computer science and

in theoretical and applied statistics, in fields such as parallel

processing, data security, data mining, random networks, computer networks, and statistical regression analysis. He is the author of several books in computer science and in statistics.

Dr. Matloff has written a lot on the topic of H-1B visa reform. See websites below.

Professor Norm Matloff's Biographical Sketch

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/matloff.html

Fixing Our Badly Broken H-1B Visa and Employer-Sponsored Green Card Programs

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/PrevWage.pdf

Computerworld Interview

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/Archive/CWProfile.txt

Debunking the Myth of a Desperate Software Labor Shortage

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.real.html

Professor Matloff's updated Congressional Testimony

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/h1b.html

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Sep 3, 2009 1:55 AM Kevin Flanagan Kevin Flanagan  says: in response to printf

I agree -- Wadhwa is an Indu-supremacist bigot who has one agenda -- ethnically cleanse Americans out of I.T. to make way for his friends from India.  He is the Ward Churchill of globalization, a total fraud that was sued by the last company he worked at.  He then ran to academia, where he tries to brainwash our children into thinking that only Indians can do I.T. 

He is the ultimate Manchurian candidate, a shill sponsored by NASSCOM, sent to the U.S. to spread propaganda that collaborators like Ann All suck up.

THERE IS NO BRAIN DRAIN.  Most Indian H-1Bs have no brains -- they are curry-scented pod people sent here to displace Americans.

You are not doing anybody any favors Ms. All. by touting this bozo Wadhwa, who has made a living throwing American techies under the bus.  Go read this blog, and then tell us what you think, you creep.

http://www.outsourcedandhomeless.com/

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Sep 3, 2009 1:58 AM weaver weaver  says:

As offered by another commentor, the O-1 is not the only alternative to the H-1B.  The Employment based (EB) PERM visa program is an entrance visa at 120,000 per year.   Many sources quote that 90% of EB visa are adjustment of status from non-immigrant programs.  These non-immigrant programs (H-1 and L-1) have created a backlog in the PERM program of visitors who were not required to maintain a foreign residence.

The H-1 and L-1 programs can add over 6 years to the PERM program which requires another 5 year (Legal Permanent Resident) probation before recieving a green-card.  

On the domestic labor side, we have proved many times that there is no shortage, colleges are producing relevant graduates in excess of employment growth.  Oversubscribed occupation must be removed from the list of Specialty Occupations administered by the DOL.

If the corporations would offer relocation packages to American candidates equal to the amount expended on H-1B.

The proposed NASSCOM visa is further backsliding toward slavery.  Guestworker visa will never work if they are tied to  an employer -- they must be tied to the merit, certification and motivation of the individual worker.   Then the worker will be able to set his/her billing rate at a globally competitive rate -- with the right skills and the authorization to work in many countries the billing rate will be many times more than the prevailing wage

  

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Sep 3, 2009 2:18 AM printf printf  says: in response to Kevin Flanagan

I do not agree with many of Kevin Flanagan's remarks nor with his general approach. I stand by what I wrote; not what he wrote.

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Sep 3, 2009 3:52 AM debug debug  says: in response to printf

if NASSCOM propoposes this new service visa...it will only mean more money for India and more Americans being unemployed and screwed.

Wake up India Inc. wants all our jobs, they don't care if we loose all our houses.

I don't how some authors can be pro-h1b while Millions of Americans are unemployed.  How can you sleep at night?

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Sep 3, 2009 11:48 AM You are clueless You are clueless  says:

The problem with the H-1B visa is because it leads to companies bypassing and laying off the U.S. workforce, not because it leads to immigration status or permanent residency.

A new type of Visa which makes it easier and faster to displace and bypass the U.S. workers exacerbates the problems caused by the H-1B visa!

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Sep 3, 2009 12:05 PM Bill Bill  says: in response to You are clueless

Starting over would not fix the problem. The immigration statutes are a convoluted mess because they are written by lawyers to be that way. If immigration law made sense, who would need an immigration lawyer? Even when we had "Comprehensive {insert chorus of laughter here} Immigration Reform" in 2007 there was no reform, just lawyers making things even more complicated.

Computer programmers reading Title 8 of the U.S. Code, would immediately recognize it as "spaghetti code", like that written by Indian offshoring companies.

The Indian proposal has no hope of rising above the pages of Indian newspapers. 1) The purpose of our immigration laws is to benefit American (even if those interests are lawyers and big business), not foreign interests. No one is going to pass a law to benefit the Indian offshoring industry. 2) If such a proposal allowed people to come to the U.S. without the possibility of immigration, that would take business from immigration lawyers---the primarily motivation behind recent immigration law.  3) With the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, there is no such thing as a temporary visa.

Besides, that's the way H visas were when they were created  in 1952. Add a little change here and another there and you had the mess Congress tried to address in 1990. Instead, Congress created yet another mess. The only way to have a rational system is to keep all the lawyers and lobbyists out of the room when the bill text is written----not going to happen when an immigration lawyer is at the head of the committee.

There are too many competing interests to produce any kind of real reform in immigration law.

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Sep 3, 2009 12:11 PM Vincenzo Vincenzo  says:

I'm afraid that this "service" visa will not end abuses and, perhaps, even increase the abuses.

The two main problems with the H-1B are:

1) The prevailing wage guidelines: There are large loopholes in this portion of the H-1B visa laws which allow employers to LEGALLY UNDERPAY H-1B beneficiaries.

2) Portability - when an H-1B visa beneficiary becomes unhappy with his current employer, the H-1B visa laws do allow him to change employers, provided that another employer is willing to take over his H-1B visa. However, when an H-1B visa beneficiary does change employers, he has to re-file his Green Card application. So if he's been waiting for three years to get his Green Card, and then changes employers, that three years is completely wasted. That is a major hindrance. Most likely, the H-1B visa beneficiary will not want to go through this.

Now, one may argue that because the proposed "service" visa will not be meant for immigration/Green Card purposes, that point number 2 above is irrelevant.  This is not true.  The person on this "service" visa may not have the choice of moving to a different employer should he become unhappy.  What kind of portability will there be with the proposed "service" visa?

The devil is in the details, which we have yet to see.  If neither of these issues is addressed, it'll just be more of the same - a vehicle used by employers to legally discriminate against US workers.

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Sep 3, 2009 12:53 PM EngiNERD EngiNERD  says:

YES  Yes,  throw out the H-1B  visa  but you don't have to replaced with anything!

We  already have a visas for the  best/ brightest -  highly skilled  professional.

It is the "O" Visa.

and here's something to ponder.    How did survive as a country prior  to 1990  without the H-1B  visa?

I seem to recall   much of our technology  was created WITHOUT the H-1b  visa.   How did we put a man on the moon without all the so-called  bright- brillant  H-1b's   that corporate America  now claims they so desparately needs. 

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Sep 4, 2009 1:52 AM Dead Indians = More Jobs Dead Indians = More Jobs  says:

All the displaced American programmers need to start going back to the companies that kicked them out and rounding up all the Indian H-1Bs and L-1's. They should put them in a room and execute them. It will be fairly easy to do in states that have liberal gun control laws, like Arizona. Also, the imports will be easy to spot -- they smell and wear shower shoes. Then the techies need to hunt down the collaborators like Ms. All. She should get a displaced American techie to kick her in the face, and the event will be publicized on Facebook and elsewhere. http://www.linkedin.com/in/annallTHERE WILL BE RETRIBUTION.

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Sep 4, 2009 2:42 AM proamerica proamerica  says:

You're a collaborating idiot.

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Sep 4, 2009 2:53 AM Barbara Hainsworth Barbara Hainsworth  says: in response to proamerica

The problem with the new visa proposal is not that it excludes the intent to immigrate, the problem is that all of these visas (whether immigration visas or temporary guestworker visas) allow an American job to be taken away from an American. How can anyone in their right mind claim a skill or labor shortage in our current economy? Our priority needs to be getting our own people back to work at their optimum level (not just any old job).

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Sep 4, 2009 4:38 AM Bob Bob  says:

What convoluted garbage. Why the heck should Nasscom have any input regarding our immigration system? Why should we back yet ANOTHER category of visas that will just facilitate the export of wealth and jobs from the country? Ms. Ann you are either incredibly naive or completely out of touch with ordinary Americans.  The immigration policies should serve the interests of the People, not multinationals or freaking Nasscom!!! With REAL unemployment levels at 16% and rising, there's no need for all these "geniuses" from abroad; there never really was. 

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Sep 4, 2009 6:11 AM Bobo Bobo  says:

Want logic? How's this for logic: in 1998 when IT was still 98% white American males, the economy was booming. Then Bill Clinton opened the flood gates in 1998 and 2000 with the visa cap increases into the millions. We've been importing millions of workers from India who are now in management in our companies and who will not hire Americans and the economy is now in the worst recession in 70s years. Logic, then, would dictate that we take the jobs away from the non-performers (Indians) and give them back to the performers (Americans). But we aren't willing to do that because of political correctness, are we? Well, if as a nation we are going to decide that PC is more important to us than Productivity Correctness, then we will continue to die a slow death.

Where are the millions of new jobs these imported workers promised to create in 1998?

Were is the huge economic boom they promised to help keep going?

Where is all the innovation they promised to create?

Where is the Indian operating system if they are so brilliant.

Come on Ann, we all know NASSCOM/India, Inc./Wipro are paying you to write this crap. India, Inc. is desperate because the visas have been cut back and they have no other way to make money than to harvest the American economy which was buily by Americans. Give it up - we all know what's really going on.

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Sep 4, 2009 6:15 AM American Citizen American Citizen  says:

When does American listen to NASSCOM, an Indian Lobbying group.  Last time I head Hillary Clinton is not president.  She is just a bxxxtch of Obama. 

Funny NASSCOM wants them to get more jobs when American companies are starting to hire locals - Americans and Permanent Residents. 

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Sep 4, 2009 6:40 AM Green Card Green Card  says:

Want to generate a string of even more impassioned comments and posts? Write about the green card lottery! The forum at http://www.green-card.com where i had been posting was closed a few days ago because controversy was too big.

However, for the commentators of this thread, the "good news" regarding the green card lottery is: India is excluded, European immigrants are the preferred clientele for this program...

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Sep 4, 2009 7:14 AM wow Mr KR continues his death threats wow Mr KR continues his death threats  says: in response to Dead Indians = More Jobs

Mr Kevin from ITGRUNT, you really think you can get away giving death threats to the editor on her own blog, you should really expect what's coming to you, legally.

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Sep 4, 2009 9:39 AM Jay Jay  says: in response to Dead Indians = More Jobs

....and you want companies to hire people like you. There is a work place safety issue in hiring you.

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Sep 4, 2009 9:51 AM Jay Jay  says:

Adding a new visa category would be a good idea. Right now there's not really a difference in visa for someone who has come to the US, earned higher education, worked here for few years, is getting rooted here and willing to settle down here Vs...someone with a foreign degree coming here only for a few months to work on some outsourcing project.

Canada, Australia, New Zealand and few others are  good examples where a foreigner who has earned a degree from that country and has worked there will be in a different category compared to someone only visiting the country for a temporary stay to work on some project.

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Sep 4, 2009 9:57 AM Indian IT workers Did Not Create nor Indian IT workers Did Not Create nor  says: in response to Dead Indians = More Jobs

was it their idea to remove the American from their workstation.  It was the employer who decided to shed themselves of the American worker and replace them with H1B visa holder.  The H1B is gullible!  They are told America does not produce enough smart people to do the Math and Science jobs necessary to advance the technologies.  

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Sep 4, 2009 10:56 AM POed Lib POed Lib  says:

Yes, let's eliminate the H-1b and L-1, and then not replace them with anything. Since Nov, 2007, at least 500,000 US IT workers have been laid off.  PLENTY of tech talent out there. Now, it is true that some of them want to be paid actual real US dollars, and more than 25K/year.

Many of the banks which created the horrible mess that we are in were bailed out by the US government.  What did they do to repay the US taxpayers who saved their worthless butts?  1) Raised fees, tightened credit standards, increased overdraft fees 2) ACCELERATED outsourcing and use of H-1Bs.  We need to remind bankers that they have a responsibility to society as a whole. 

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Sep 4, 2009 10:58 AM Tunnel Rat Tunnel Rat  says: in response to wow Mr KR continues his death threats

STFU, slumdogs. 

The only legal thing coming is YOUR DEPORTATION.  Maybe criminal charges for visa fraud.  Maybe a EEOC lawsuit for discrimination against Americans.  Perhaps another lawsuit for creating a hostile work environment by ETHNICALLY CLEANSING ALL AMERICANS from the workplace. 

THERE WILL BE RETRIBUTION

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Sep 4, 2009 11:11 AM Dead Indians = More Jobs Dead Indians = More Jobs  says: in response to wow Mr KR continues his death threats

It is not a death threat to the blogger, just a suggestion that she get kicked in the face by a displaced American techie.

As for the H[indu]-1Bs, yes some guy that was forced to train his curry-scented replacement should go postal and aim for the red dots.  It is just a matter of time.

There are plenty of people like this:

"...Just wanted to provide an update. I've been gone from this company since March. Since then, one of the Indians I trained tried calling me at home to get help on something. Since I won't help, they are now bugging a former colleague of mine who is still with the company who used to do my old job. This guy can't even figure out how to import a table into DB2 to query against with SQL code. This is something I personally trained him on and walked him through at least 2 dozen times and is considered a very basic skill for the job. Another colleague told me that data she used to get from me in about an hour is now taking 3 months to get from India. And when she does get it, it's completely wrong.

When she complained to her director, she was told she needs to "step up to the plate" and figure out way to pull data herself. My ex Indian boss continues to get recognized and rewarded by senior management for outstanding work. This is the same woman who was so hard on me, that she caused me to have health issues which I had to be professionally treated for through medicine and ongoing psychotherapy. At this point, just the thought of going on an interview throws me into a panic attack, because she pounded into my head for a year that I was worthless. I know I shouldn't, but when someone tells you that over and over long enough, you do start to believe it. It's been nearly a year, and I'm still recovering psychologically. "Confused shock and humiliation" was replaced with anger long ago. I pray every day to find my inner peace again. "

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Sep 4, 2009 11:19 AM Hey Kevin. R of ITGRUNT.com Hey Kevin. R of ITGRUNT.com  says: in response to Dead Indians = More Jobs

Why do you keep giving the author of the article threats of extreme physical violence, is that what you're about? giving sexist insults and death threats to a woman??  She being a fairly public figure ( being a journalist) has her personal physical security violated, when an Idiot like you incites physical violence of such extremity against her.

I hope she has started the required steps in taking legal action against you, for her own personal safety.

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Sep 4, 2009 11:29 AM H1B=SCAB H1B=SCAB  says: in response to Hey Kevin. R of ITGRUNT.com

Don't tell us Americans what to do, you vile disgusting guest worker.  This isn't India, and we can say whatever we want. 

Now go back to your slum.

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Sep 4, 2009 11:33 AM I am American I am American  says: in response to H1B=SCAB

and am ashamed that you're one too.

Respect the country that let people like you in.

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Sep 4, 2009 12:44 PM Jerry Jerry  says:

If we want to get at the truth we should talk to a statistician who is using the proper research methodology. The best source of information on this topic is Professor Norman Matloff at University of California, Davis. You can find his writings by doing an internet search on his name.

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Sep 5, 2009 2:26 AM gone? gone?  says:

Where's the Goulash and his chinese and filipino side dish gone?? indigestion??

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Sep 5, 2009 5:18 AM FedUp WithH1B FedUp WithH1B  says:

I don't understand how a journalist, who doesn't work directly in the industry, would even begin to understand how problematic these H1B visas area.

Besides the fact that fraud is rampant, and that many of these workers have faked or inadequate degrees, there is the added problem of discrimination against American workers by those that hire these visa holders.

In many cases, American workers are reporting more and more that they go to interviews in IT shops, and they are being interviewed by H1B holders themselves.  These H-1B holders have a tendency to hire their own countrymen, and feel no remorse whatsoever in flunking the American worker for the smallest of issues.

This new proposed non-immigrant visa by NASSCOMM must be considered by Congress as a non-starter.  If this goes through, you will see NASSCOM companies send indentured labor over to this country to work for per diem expenses only.  These outsourcing firms feel no compunction whatsoever in paying their cheap labor as little as possible.

Expect that if these laborers are sent over, and they bring their families, they will earn so little that they social expenses of education, health care, and transportation will be heaped upon the American workers.

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Sep 5, 2009 9:25 AM LMFAO LMFAO  says: in response to Tunnel Rat

Beretta?? you mean more like a pea-shooter you won on your "Raffle" ticket )))

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Sep 5, 2009 11:22 AM Tunnel Rat Tunnel Rat  says: in response to gone?

I'm out with my Beretta, cruising the office parks, aiming for the red dots.

Now STFU, slumdog.

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Sep 5, 2009 12:19 PM Kumar Nation Kumar Nation  says:

Ms All, Starting a new service ( aka Slave ) visa is exactly proposed by NASSCOM recently.  What a  coincidence !  You thought you were genius.  But American IT professionals think you are in the same bed with the notorious NASSCOM and India, Inc.

The new 'slave' visa will be granted to Indians  exclusively and legalized all H-1B abuses and frauds.

It is the fast track to the "Indianization". 

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Sep 7, 2009 4:39 AM Carol Fletez Carol Fletez  says: in response to EngiNERD

You  have the solution. Simply throw out the H1B and L1 visas until we get our financial house in order here in the US so US citizens and valid green card holders get first crack at jobs. The European countries do it!

By far the biggest hole is the visa that lets a student become a green card holder at graduation and stay to become a citizen. Whatever happened to returning to your home country and making it better!

There does not need to be a transferability of H1B visas; if you don't like

the job go back where you came from. That is what happens to visa holders of this type. No one guarantees you can stay! It is supposed to be temporary; if you miss out on a good match with a job that is the luck of the draw as it is to all of us!

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Sep 11, 2009 5:27 AM poorH1BHolder poorH1BHolder  says: in response to Carol Fletez

Why is everyone so upset with all these visas.

I would like to live in a dream world where there are no J1, H1, ...etc visas.

Let there be no cross boarder movement of labor. So no one is exploited and every one minds their own business. I might be sounding protectionist but well who started the work visa system and immigration system etc....

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Sep 14, 2009 1:26 AM #234 in the EDD line #234 in the EDD line  says:

It's both time to throw out the H1B visa and start over. It's time to throw out  the Indians AND the 27 Million illegal Mexcan immigrants as well.

And, what is the famous quote from General Phil Sheridan in 1869 ?

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Sep 14, 2009 1:38 AM asdf asdf  says: in response to Truth

Then i can also say fuck you .......  and you are a mf**

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Sep 14, 2009 2:19 AM cap cap  says:

Why don't we outsource writing tech articles to India?  There is really no reason to have an American writing articles about technology when it can be done at more than half the rate?

Maybe we could use the new forms visas that you are talking about?

Or, how about cutting down the hours that IT workers spend at work?  You know, the 24x7 shifts and the 10-14 hr days?  That way we could hire more American women?  How about ending the rampant age discrimination?

Or, even the skills discrimination?  Imagine if we could not hire you as an end user because you used version 1.0 of Software X as opposed to 1.1 of Software X's competitor, Software Y?  No end user could be hired to use a computer if we applied the same standards to you as we do to IT workers?

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Sep 14, 2009 11:29 AM Michael Short Michael Short  says:

The problem with this type of article is that it is not looking at what the real issue is. 

Companies use temporay visa and immigrate visas to select an non-American workforce and save money on employment.  This elimnates competition as companies sign agreements with the large employeers such as those in India and never look for Americans to fill these jobs. 

When we have 15 million unemployeed Americans do we really need to look any further than our own counry for the skills we need. We are only looking to misuse these systems to increase corporate profits. If we need these skills long term we should provide schoooling for Americans not bring in millions of more unnneeded immigrates.

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Sep 14, 2009 11:32 AM Keval Shah Keval Shah  says: in response to Kevin Flanagan

I am sorry sir but i am appalled to see the language. I understand that you disagree with the man's ideas but it does not warrant you to call hi a creep or anything. The key thing to look at is why outsourcing is happening. The primary reason is cost, if one company outsources and another does not, they lose their edge. H1B candidates in no way are less expensive than the local candidates for American companies. American companies would hire an H1B candidate only if they dim fit that he/she has the right skill set. At any given day if a local candidate has better credentials than an H1B candidate they will recruit the local candidate. If US wants to move towards globalization then it is inevitable that it would have to look at global sourcing rather than local sourcing.

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Sep 14, 2009 11:59 AM Truth Truth  says: in response to Keval Shah

He can call anyone a creep if he wants, especially if the shoe fits. This is America - free speach rights paid for in blood - not like in the slums 3rd worlders come from.

It's time to eliminate the H1B program and send all the Indians back. Your welcome has worn out.

Outsourcing is happening to DRIVE DOWN WAGES OF AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS TECHNOLOGY WORKERS - The Corporations want cheap coolie labor.

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Sep 14, 2009 12:00 PM Linda Mandoni Linda Mandoni  says: in response to Michael Short

Your right on with schooling Americans better.  Americans do not have the skill sets required ... I mean real skills, like coding.  It is not as hard as it used to be to code.  However, the education system in the U.S. shys away from teaching IT because it's scary to them...or maybe too expensive to teach?  I'm not saying k-8, but in 9-12 at least there should be the opportunity to get some serious IT education.  Also, post grad IT Education needs to be overhauled.  I don't think we are teaching the right thing at the college level.  Are they learning about SOA, and App / Web Development & SDLC, PM... how about open source software, virtualization.  Real life stuff.  Reading a recent article (google "IT Grads un-employable") validated for me that a large percentage of grads are not being taught the hard skills they need to get that job, but rather all soft skills which is why we are, and make no mistake about it, dependent on outsourcing and H1Bs.

I realize the CIO in the article may be biased, but I agree with him in theory and that is how we are perceived.

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Sep 14, 2009 12:12 PM FrustratedH1bHolder FrustratedH1bHolder  says: in response to poorH1BHolder

Yes Please stop this all kind of H, L, O visas ......

It's good to be a poor Lion king on your own country then to be a rich slave mouse in US .... 

I am a H1b holder, And I am in the favors of banning this visa ...

No matter how good work you do you never get appreciation   ...

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Sep 14, 2009 12:48 PM Steven B. Friedenthal, M.D. Steven B. Friedenthal, M.D.  says: in response to Dead Indians = More Jobs

Clearly "Dead Indians = More Jobs" is angry.  What I am particularly concerned about is that he /she is expresses lack of insight, extremely poor judgement, and a lack of self control as evidenced by an attempt to incite violent behavior.  For safety's sake It is prudent to consider this a dangerous individual until proven otherwise and to take the comments at face value.  If it at all possible to identify this indiviual, Ms. All I would encourage you to report these threats to the authorities and seek advice as to whether a restraining order should be issued for your protection.  I am not an attorney; however, it is clear that this person has used the right of free speech to publically threaten you.  Threats of assault and the attempt to incite violence against an ethnic group are not appropriate and most likely not legal.  Hope fully this person has a treatable mental illness and that it is not normally in this person's nature and does not normally have homicidal thoughts.  Please do your best to see that you and other intended victims of the self named "Dead-Indians=More Jobs" remain safe.

With utmost sincerety,

S.B.F. , M.D.

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Sep 14, 2009 12:52 PM O.K. Daley O.K. Daley  says:

In terms of the author of the article, - I gather she is trying to score some brownie points with her employer. Perhaps she should be replaced by those she is willing to invite to our country as cheap labor - or lets just dismiss her arrogance as corporate stupidity.

In other words,  while we are under such economic conditions lets no longer sell our country out from under our feet. We cannot afford to host foreign workers currently, and until our own citizens are gainfully employed, we have no business trying to do so. Its like a snake eating its tail !!! - If a multi-national corp  wants to operate in the USA - they should be required to hire US citizens.

As far as IT workers, when hosting foreigners, rates go down which compromises the standard of living in the USA. This is while shipping funds overseas that should be instead circulated in our communities -

Try this book - The New Deal, and Election 2008 Primer for our Economic Recovery and for our personal empowerment.- http://www.amazon.com/New-Deal-Election-2008-Primer/dp/1419670948

Regarding " Good help is hard to find" my answer is - "you get what you pay for" -

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Sep 16, 2009 8:36 AM Stephen Baker Stephen Baker  says:

I live in Canada and I am a High end computer engineerIt is very difficult to get anytype of VISA to the US because immagration says they have thier quota of Canadians. Companies do want to hire me but My education was done in the US. in computer sciences which is supior to anyin the world. How ever in the courses that I was in there were always one or two Canadains and about 16 to 20 Americans. Most of the Americans failed these courses after looking into it. Basic educationwas not there and if theyhadhad those basic skills everyone would have passed. So until the US gets its basic eduction programs worked out the US is going to have to bring other peoplein to do thejob. Canada is the lagest producer of IT jobs to exported but the rules with imagration must change. Or the US will beleft behind in the IT industry.

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Oct 2, 2009 5:54 AM Myrrh Myrrh  says: in response to Stephen Baker

Mr. Baker, are basic keyboarding skills taught in Canada?

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